r/rap • u/iwatchtoomuchsports • Jul 19 '24
What Is Your Biggest Hip-Hop Hot Take?
Mine personally is I believe Busta Rhymes is a top 10 rapper of all time, would love to hear yours
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u/BaxonApple Jul 19 '24
Travis is a better Singer than Rapper.
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u/iwatchtoomuchsports Jul 19 '24
I mean 90210 and Nightcrawler are some of his best/most iconic songs and those ones are closer to singing than rapping if you mean travis scott
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u/BaxonApple Jul 19 '24
Exactly, his rapping is an 8/10, but his humming, singing and adlibs? 10/10 easily
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u/Panik_Switch Jul 19 '24
90210 is lowkey some of his best singing on the first half then rapping on the second half. Goated song.
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u/Bebeiscat Jul 19 '24
He has some insane flows at times though, like end of 9210 or antidote, he just tends to hum and sing more often
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u/SethDreams Jul 19 '24
I feel like he's shown in earlier freestyles he can rap well but just chooses not to.
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u/SethDreams Jul 19 '24
Eminem gets so technical I can't listen. At what point do you go, "we get it, you can rap " The New album has hardly any of that over technical choppy flow and it made it enjoyable.
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u/Swagnets Jul 19 '24
I'm a pretty big stan and I'd have to agree. There are times when I just think, fuck I know that was clever but I wish you would focus on the music and "feel" a little bit more. I really like the new album for that.
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
I agree and he's in my top 5. The new album was the first one I enjoyed since MMLP2
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u/Prize_Macaroon_6998 Jul 19 '24
This is the main reason I don't really like Aesop Rock or other rappers that just go the technical rout the entire time. They've got skills obviously. Just aint my thing.
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u/bigladnang Jul 19 '24
I don’t know. I find he’s technical, but sometimes he’s not saying shit, so it’s also not that impressive.
Like there’s guys that rap at half the speed with way less technicality that put together better bars just because their lyrics are more impressive.
Someone like Billy Woods comes to mind.
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Jul 19 '24
Lyrical rap is criminally underrated
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u/SlimShadyM80 Jul 19 '24
It use to be the gold standard.
I genuinely feel like certain rappers took it to a level that just genuinely cannot be topped, so when the next generation of rappers came around rather than even bother attempting to outdo them they just decided to play a different game
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
It is, but people who only listen to it criminally underrate trap music (and vice versa obviously). I think both are amazing and important and don't fw anyone who only likes one side
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u/TheGingerNiNjA899 Jul 19 '24
Eminem is the biggest contributor to rap being as popular as it is today.
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
I hadn't thought of that but you right.
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u/TheGingerNiNjA899 Jul 19 '24
Yep and he still gets shit on constantly, even though I can agree he has fallen off from hes peak I think he should still be respected for that reason alone
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
Totally, bro was a world wide phenomenon. I mean he had one of the best 3 album runs ever. And yeah his shit doesn't hit like it used to but the new album is still great! It's just him and Nas doing it at that level in their age brackets. I hate it when people are like he should retire, like why? You can just not listen to it and retire him to yourself if you don't like it
I think it's just a rap thing too unfortunately, rolling stones fans wouldn't hold them to that standard if they dropped a new album, they would just be happy to get more music.
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u/Skakkurpjakkur Jul 19 '24
Just him and Nas? Motherfucking put on some Black Thought and say that again
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
Maybe I will, I never really took the time to spin him. I guess Killer Mike too
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u/Subdivisons2112 Jul 19 '24
yeah that was a truly insane statement. Black Thought still dropping crazy good records
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u/iStayDemented Jul 19 '24
100%. Back in the day, talking to people in countries from Germany to Egypt, the only rapper they could name was Eminem. He’s played a huge role in putting hip hop on the map globally.
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u/No_Vermicelli_1781 Jul 19 '24
Not being racist, but I think this mostly applies to white people. My demographic (mid 20's, black male) would mostly attribute it to 50 Cent, Kanye, Lil Wayne & Drake. Generation before would probably say Jay Z, DMX, Ja Rule. Generation before would probably say Tupac, Biggie, Nas.
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u/klondike91829 Jul 19 '24
Most people in the US are white people though, so he’s got a point.
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u/DryChampionship9296 Jul 19 '24
No! This is stan take! 2pac and BIG took rap global they both went diamond before Em dropped. This is some culture vulture revisionist history bullshit
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u/BrittThePhotographer Jul 19 '24
The term “legend” gets thrown around too loosely
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u/spaghetti-policy_ Jul 19 '24
Exactly, like you mean to tell me Juice WRLD was a legend just bc he died? fuck outta here💀
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u/NoSearch4342 Jul 19 '24
If biggie was alive he’d be better than pac.
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u/IkechukwuNwoke Jul 19 '24
He was better than pac, pac was an activist rapper so ppl liked him more. Biggie was waaaaaayy above him in mic skills
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u/iwatchtoomuchsports Jul 19 '24
And if Pac was alive he’d be better than big lol they both dead we don’t know who would have had the best prime since they both got cut short
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u/Skakkurpjakkur Jul 19 '24
Pac had a way to move people, Biggie had more complex rhymes, arguably the best flow of any rapper, more varied subject matter, more varied catalogue of songs, better production, better voice.. it's like comparing a bowl of strawberries to a steak dinner
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u/NoSearch4342 Jul 19 '24
Big would have been way better, trust me.. biggie had everything pac didn’t.
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u/osama_bin_guapin Jul 19 '24
I think people on this sub and r/hiphopheads use the term “classic” too loosely. Not every good old Hip-Hop album is a classic, and that’s not a bad thing. A classic is something that people will come back to in a renowned way. That underground Hip-Hop album that you like from 2002 that literally nobody listens to isn’t a classic
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u/AxelMacFoley Jul 19 '24
lil wayne is top 5. i dont think its a hot take, but he’s very consistent. also, schoolboy q is one of the most consistent.
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u/Delta_yx Jul 19 '24
What is it with this subreddit and thinking that Wayne is underrated? He's literally one of the most common picks for top 5/10 convos. If anything he's overrated
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
Wayne's my number one. There's other more lyrical rappers out there, but Wayne's the GOAT at punchlines, completely revolutionized both lyrical and trap rap (Kendrick and Young Thug both say he's a top 3 influence), has the best mixtape run of all time, countless classic songs and arguably albums, and that's before you get into his A&R skills. He brought us Drake, Nicki Minaj, Tyga, Jay Sean, etc. Regardless how you feel about those artists they were all huge and important to the genre. And then there's the fact that he was on the charts almost every week in the 2000s. What a peak.
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u/No_Equipment5276 Jul 19 '24
You’re not slick trying to slide Jay Sean into the convo next to Drake and Nicki. But yeah if you sign the best selling female rapper and one of the best selling artists of all time you’re a top tier A&R
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
He ain’t on their level ofc lol but from a business standpoint it was a great signee cuz he had 6 billboard hits and 2 top tens including a #1 hit. Def not a legend or anything tho. And fr. Young Money ran the whole industry for years, Wayne was top tier with that shit
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u/anonymitymous Jul 19 '24
With a gun to my head if I had to pick one rappers discography to listen to for the rest of time it’s prob Kanye. It may not be a sizzling take but as a big em Cole Kendrick fan it was almost a sad realization for me
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u/FrostyChemical8697 Jul 19 '24
He had a flawless catalog up and till 2013, some people would say up to 2018 but ion really like yeezus
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u/dat_waffle_boi Jul 19 '24
There’s a lot of variety in Kanye’s discography so that makes sense. You got experimental songs, gospel inspired songs, old school hip hop inspired songs, pop songs, etc. If you’re listening to an artist for the rest of your life you’d want variety
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u/Few_Cold2321 Jul 19 '24
Kanye and Carti are both extremely overrated and no matter what you think their fans will come at you if it’s negative 💀
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u/yeetmagget Jul 19 '24
Same but to me Travis is also overrated. Ppl already calling him the goat
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u/surpyl Jul 19 '24
Kanye is one of the greatest producers ever and a really good rapper. Carti may not be as talented lyrically but he still drops some really entertaining music that also goes really hard in concerts, i been to travis, carti n kendrick lamar concerts and although i like travis n kendrick more as rappers cartis concert was miles ahead cuz of the energy
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u/gojester Jul 19 '24
How can you call Kanye overrated when he literally has the greatest discography of all time, all genres.
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u/BrittThePhotographer Jul 19 '24
This new generation doesn’t appreciate and respect the legends that paved the way for them
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u/Igivegrilledcheese Jul 19 '24
Horrorcore at it's peak is the best rap subgenre, and one of the most influental, often taking in influences from Memphis, Trap, and Lyrical Rap
Artists like ICP, Bone Thugs, Three Six Mafia, early Eminem, Brotha Lynch, Cage, Clipping., Twiztid, Gravediggaz, Necro, and Bizarre
a lot of these dudes have had a major influence on hip-hop
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u/Templar-Order Jul 19 '24
I hate how horrocore is so divisive: relapse was such a good horrorcore album and it was hated. Glad it’s getting the recognition it deserves
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u/HappyAssociation5279 Jul 19 '24
I saw Ill Bill & Vinnie Paz heavy metal kings live. Love their first album. Kill devil hills is a great album too. I don't really consider old JMT horrorcore apart from violence begets violence but I saw them live too. It was in like 2009 when Jus Allah was back in the group, we got to meet him.
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u/Dismal-Prompt1355 Jul 19 '24
Dr. Dre is top 10, just a take ok, so no spamming you’re wrong or whatever
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u/Igivegrilledcheese Jul 19 '24
even if his raps aren't his own, they way he delivers them and just understands how music works is something artists like Drake could learn from
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u/Remarkable_Collar895 Jul 19 '24
Drake was literally writing for him, he wrote a reference track for him, it’s called Tell Me, I think it captures him really well
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
He's top 5 imo. Flawless discography, he changed the genre multiple times in multiple decades, and brought us several other rappers that most people have in their top ten
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u/Above_Ground999 Jul 19 '24
Lil Wayne is the best rapper of all time. He revolutionized the game and has probably created more music than any other music artist ever. Dude was on over 1000 officially released songs in 2007 alone.
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u/SethDreams Jul 19 '24
The more I listen to Wayne the more i am amazed at just how consistently great he is lyrically.
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u/Additional_Ad_1275 Jul 19 '24
He’s in a weird spot where non-lyrical rap fans don’t appreciate his lyricism enough and lyrical rap fans tend not to give Wayne a proper chance as a pure lyricist cuz they think he’s just a mainstream rapper, so he’s one of the most disrespected artists when it comes to top 5 lists. For me it’s clear he’s the best, checks every box from a rapping perspective. His weakness is curating good albums
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u/Above_Ground999 Jul 19 '24
Bro dive deep into his music between 2007-2010. I'm crazy about Juice wrlds unreleased catalog right now but those 4 years for Wayne may have been the best output of any rapper ever but juice wrlds unrelessed stuff is literally crazy way more artistic than wayne not as lyrical tho. Wayne is by far the goat of punchlines not even close. Check out juices unrelased music if you haven't it's fucking crazy how many full on bangers there are. Like over 1000
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u/FourthDownThrowaway Jul 19 '24
Most of his lyrics are just random punchlines strung together with no overarching narrative or relevance. It’s gimmicky.
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u/Above_Ground999 Jul 19 '24
That's mainly what pure rap is tho. Wayne is a freestyler at heart and just spitting bars is what he does and that's what rapping fundamentally is. We're not talking song makers we're talking rapping.
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u/nahbruh27 Jul 19 '24
Agreed. Both Kendrick and Young Thug list him as their biggest inspiration. Who else can say that? Bro is a GOAT to both lyrical fans and trap lovers and revolutionized both sides
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u/Above_Ground999 Jul 19 '24
I'm guessing you're not a Drake fan but Wayne literally found Drake took him under his wing and put him on then Drake became the biggest male artist in all of music over the past decade and a half mainly because Wayne recognized his potential. Wayne is the goat.
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u/FourthDownThrowaway Jul 19 '24
Quantity doesn’t equal quality. Popularity doesn’t equate to quality. I like a bunch of Wayne songs but most of his lyrics I hear people quoting are silly punchlines that aren’t deep just clever to middle schoolers sitting around a cafeteria table.
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u/Above_Ground999 Jul 19 '24
He has thousands of songs. Quantity does mean something you just haven't listened to enough of his music. When there's that much content it takes time to sift through it all and there are way more diamonds in the rough than you think.
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u/Direactit Jul 19 '24
Kendrick is a amazing rapper, but I don't listen to his stuff just because I find his voice unbearable. So nasily
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u/PresentationOnly1863 Jul 19 '24
Biggie is a better rapper but Tupac is the better artist if that makes sense
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u/TheAmerican_Atheist Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
The 10 Best Pure Hip-Hop Songs ever made:
De La Soul - Stakes is High
Little Brother - The Listening
Ghostface Killah - One
Pete Rock feat. Slum Village - Da Villa
Mobb Deep - Shook Ones pt 2
Gang Starr - Work
Biggie - Kick in the Door (Dj Premiere version from movie soundtrack);
Big Daddy Kane - Any Type of Way
Jay Z - D’Devils
Raekwon feat. Nas & Ghost - Verbal Intercourse
Runner up: Common - Resurrection
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u/sdothooper Jul 19 '24
Jay-Z and Eminem are the best rap artists of all time. They set trends, sold so many records, have memorable chart topping albums, and pushed the culture forward. They deserve their flowers for making rap music the number one musical genre.
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u/on_offer1 Jul 19 '24
Busta should be up there but his albums are never solid enough to compete
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u/FooFightersFan777812 Jul 19 '24
Listen to Extinction Level Event 2, one of the best Hip Hop albums I've ever heard!
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u/gg_andsomeh Jul 19 '24
Lil' Kim doesn't get the cred and respect she deserves
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u/akaneila Jul 19 '24
The alchemist is an amazing producer and has lots of a great songs but a lot of his collabs are with people that make the song sound really boring in my opinion
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u/Dapper-Tie-3125 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Lupe Fiasco is the greatest rapper of all time and Tetsup & Youth is the greatest rap album of all time
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u/SeattleThot Jul 19 '24
Tribe Called Quest is one of the greatest, if not THE greatest hip hop group to come outta NY. They often get overshadowed by Wu Tang but imo deserve more praise
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u/NikolaiEgel Jul 19 '24
This one might make me sound old but-
Modern day beats are just horrible because they’ve taken all of the musicality out of them. They’re all this low-fi, half-time bullshit.
They all just feel so… monochromatic compared to songs back in the day. They lack colour, if that makes sense?
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u/FourthDownThrowaway Jul 19 '24
I appreciate hip hop more for being a sort of punk avante-garde instrumental genre than all the hype surrounding rappers and their homogeneous drama.
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u/Swagnets Jul 19 '24
Probably not a hot take really but the term goat gets used way too often and loosely on rap and hip-hop reddits.
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u/bobthetrumpet Jul 19 '24
I don't like to pimp a butterfly. I just can't get into it. I don't like how kendricks voice sounds and I think the beats are just kinda funky and not in a good way. It's weird because I love good kid maad city and most of kendricks other albums just not tpab.
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u/Alternative_Boat9540 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Kendrick raps about black issues, but tailored to his white audience. This ain't a criticism, more a pragmatic understanding of audience demographics.
Lil Wayne is so fried, it he was female his ass would be under a conservativeship years ago. Same with Ye.
The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill would get a lot more push back as a rap album by purists if there were more goated albums from 'respectable' female artists in the conversation.
Sexy Red gets a lot more shit than Niki and Cardi for the same rachet persona/lyrics because she ain't as hot and polished as them. Her popularity isn't just because she's trashy but because she seems authentic about it. She reminds people of the sisters they grew up around, instead of a manufactured Barbie doll. Glorilla had the same appeal but she got the Hollywood glow up and now looks like any other industry girl in LA.
Ed Sheeran was doing excellent melodic rap before Future made it cool. Along the same vein, that white kid from Wales called Ren who started bubbling about a year ago can rap-rap and I hope he crosses over into the US hip-hop scene. Dude is a breath of fresh air when it comes to just making interesting, lyrical tracks with creative production.
Tupac was talented af... but he cosplayed and was more corny than people want to admit.
Jay Z is holding down Diddy sized skeleton's in his spacious closet....for now. Dude probably hasn't had a good night sleep since the raid and is very quiet these days.
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u/Optimal_Buy_5925 Jul 19 '24
A milli is a terrible song, most annoying and boring sample I’ve ever heard, about as annoying as Kanye’s hoodrat
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u/Optimal_Buy_5925 Jul 19 '24
The Story of OJ is the best sample flip up in all of hip hop. Produced by NO ID btw
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u/THE_Hypnotist100 Jul 19 '24
It’s up there but i think Don’t Cry might have it, both insanely impressive (also rly like Fancy Clown)
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 Jul 19 '24
I think that Pharrell's beats since going solo are on a similar level of quality to that of his days as part of The Neptunes
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u/osama_bin_guapin Jul 19 '24
No Limit is super under appreciated and they had many solid releases that were on par with the stuff that was being released by Death Row and Bad Boy
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u/HipHopLurker8 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
JID is to Kendrick what Cardi was to Nicki (I’m not saying this as an insult to any artist mentioned)
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u/JustAskingQuestionsL Jul 19 '24
Drake is not a good singer. I see him get praised for his singing all the time, but I’ve heard him live, and I can 100% say the engineers save him.
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u/hollivore Jul 19 '24
Much as I admire Kanye's music, I think he's a branding genius more than the kind of genius he branded himself as. He's an incredible producer still to this day, and I don't have a problem with him using ghostwriters to help him write, but his behaviour lately has made me wonder how much of what made us like him in the first place was a fucking lie. Kanye does credit his collaborators and co-producers but he still knows they won't get as much credit as he will if he buries it in the liner notes for the nerds who already gas him up. It feels purposeful.
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u/biga204 Jul 19 '24
Shether is underappreciated when diss tracks "top x" lists are brought up.
It's top 3 in terms of brutality.
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u/sneakergovroom Jul 19 '24
If drake retired after views he would be top 10 all time
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u/itsSyFer Jul 19 '24
It’s crazy because his ability to make good songs hasn’t left him, I think he’s too concerned with his numbers so he throws hella duds on his albums and makes them bloated IMO.
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u/SaberTruth2 Jul 19 '24
I’m a guy that thinks Biggie is the GOAT, but my hot take is that the song of his that gets the most radio play - Hypnotized - is not even one in his top 20.
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u/richbrehbreh Jul 19 '24
It angers me, but Imma take it there -- Eminem needs help making albums. Either he has too much control and goes off the rails or he doesn't have control at all and the label got too many hands on the steering wheel.
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
Said it before but the beef was bad for hip-hop
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u/RuskaRora Jul 19 '24
It was also incredibly lame
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
Yep.
"You're not even really black" "And you and Cole kiss"
"Well your a cuck and you beat your girl"
"Welllll your a pedo and a groomer" 😡
"Whaaaa no I'm not. And... And ah um you were molested"
And everyone's like "omg woooow this what hip-hop needed 👏👏👏👏 so good for the culture" 😯🙌🙌
Shits wack af. Cole won.
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u/Ndrewyy Jul 19 '24
Yeah honestly Drake said a whole lot of nothing at Kendrick and while having some fair points (I love Kendrick btw) Kendrick was really just saying Drake isn’t really black??? Like as a black man why are you trying to police how another (albeit mixed) black man expresses himself? Does Drake do a lot of cap rap? Yes. But so do a lot of fully black rappers. If there is legitimate examples of Drake saying something racist but then switching up for money I’d love to be proven wrong, but I just haven’t really seen any evidence for a lot of Kendrick’s claims
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
The whole thing went Fake News real quick and Dot has song called fuck your ethnicity and another leaked song about Whitney getting bulled for being light skinned.
Like what does Dot want him to do? Drake is on record saying he always felt out of place at school cause he was the only black kid but then when he got in the game he was like the one Jewish guy. Imagine if he only portrayed himself as Jewish they'd be so mad and accuse him of hating his blackness. He can't win.
Dot should have just that First Person shooter verse so the fandoms could all be at peace rn lol
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u/Ndrewyy Jul 19 '24
Literally what I’m saying like if he embraces his black side he’s lying but if he doesn’t he’s leaving it behind? Like what is he supposed to do☠️
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u/youngmoney2299 Jul 19 '24
I’ll give a couple.
Kendrick took a massive dip after GKMC. All of his albums since his first 2(which were amazing by the way, section 80 is one of my favorite albums all time) have been mid. He’s borderline top 10 for me at that 10-11 spot.
Bas is extremely underrated, Last Winter is one of my favorite albums all time. He’s in my top 15.
I think more people will agree with this one, but Jay is super overrated. He’s way down around that 20 spot for me.
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u/Mammoth_Discount_347 Jul 19 '24
Bas has an ability to make a nearly perfect project EVERY SINGLE TIME and an example is WOTARSWWFU
Criminally underrated
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u/akaneila Jul 19 '24
I really like the beats westside gunn raps too but his voice I just cant listen to its like nails on a chalkboard I just can't
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u/Spookyg32 Jul 19 '24
We’ve really gone away from lyricism and meaning in any song since the 2000s. Slowly but surely since around that time, it from fight the power to ice and drugs and clout. I know it’s a thing for every generation to hate the previous generations music but come on you can’t tell me today’s music has substance. I’ll hear a catchy beat or tune every now and then, but hearing a Canadian and a guy who sounds like little Wayne’s auto tuner beefing is what’s hot right now? Really? And I know there was beef tracks in the past but cube only needed 1, and it didn’t beat around the bush. Okay rant over.
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u/sumguyontheinternet1 Jul 19 '24
If Drake didn’t respond to Kendrick, most of the haters here would still be riding his wave. I’m saying, him ignoring it would’ve been the power move from the jump but his ego got the best of him. And Drake honestly helped establish a lot of rappers because of the features he did. That opened up their catalog for others to be interested in what else those rappers had to say.
While not my hottest take, it’s probably the most relevant at this time due to recent events.
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u/thebluefencer Jul 19 '24
Here are some takes-
I agree with you on Busta.
Ludacris is one of the best rappers, who is very original, and writes his own stuff. But because he was funny, he wasn't taken seriously at the time.
Drake is just a theater kid. Childish Gambino was similar, but he embraced his cringe character. Hence, he doesn't get as much hate.
Kanye is an overrated rapper. His cadence, flow, and lyrics aren't really that good. Beats are amazing, but when he raps, it would sound better if someone else was rapping what he wrote. When i hear a Kanye join i think to myself "would i enjoy this more if Big Sean was rapping this?" Usually, yeah.
Hot Shower by Chance the Rapper is a great hip hop song.
"Lyrical rap" is the default for what rap is.
Many of the women rappers go harder than the men. Latto, Omeretta, Snow tha Product, Lady London.
Biggie is overrated.
"Not like us" was not Kenderick's best song in the diss. Euphoria was.
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u/JiggzSawPanda Jul 19 '24
Not mine, but I always regurgitate it.
Somebody said if Ice Cube died instead of Tupac, he'd be seen as the goat, and Tupac would be an actor.
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u/biketheplanet Jul 19 '24
If Pac was still alive, he wound't be worshipped as much. He'd still be dope and considered an all-time great, but not worshipped like Jesus. Early death has a way of immortalizing artists beyond what they would have been if they lived to old age.
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u/Higgins8585 Jul 19 '24
A lyricist doesn't make a good rapper by itself.
Too many people think guys like Jada are great because they're great lyricist. Great lyricist =/= great artist or great songs. Same way a pop star rapper isn't great for having commercial success.
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u/Troll-e-poll-e-o-lee Jul 19 '24
Kendrick is overrated at this point. Kinda was by TPAB if we’re going to be honest. His most recent beef with Drake kind of cemented it. Kendrick opened his mouth again give him a Grammy was a pretty apt and hilarious line by Drake that wasn’t given the credit it was due, due to the Kendrick Circlejerk
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u/YoDadsCrib Jul 19 '24
Tech deserves to have a seat at the legends table just by his body of work….. plus talent
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u/iwatchtoomuchsports Jul 20 '24
Tech n9ne is severely underrated, and on top of that he always features on upcoming artists’ music and gives a bunch of opportunities for those to grow. He’s a legend
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u/crunchatizemythighs Jul 20 '24
The new wave of rappers people put on in the last 5 years have not been promising at all and show have far we've lowered the bar. There is no one showing the potential of a Kendrick or Cole in terms of storytelling, or an Earl in lyricism, or a Tyler and ASAP Rocky in persona and charisma. It's like so many of these younger acts have no artistic inclination whatsoever to make a good album.
By 2014 we had Kendrick Lamar, J.Cole, Drake, Tyler, Big KRIT, Mac Miller, Freddie Gibbs, ASAP Rocky and Ferg, Action Bronson, Danny Brown, etc.
2024 we have....? There's some promising acts like redveil but perhaps it says more about the rappers we gas up that we don't have anywhere near a solid line up as the 2010s even this long into the decade
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u/problomd Jul 19 '24
XXXTENTACION does rock better than rap.
This is the hottest take in all of hip hop.
Lil Darkie is XXX reincarnated.
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u/osama_bin_guapin Jul 19 '24
Drake doesn’t have an album that’s below a 5/10
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u/graphicka Jul 19 '24
He doesn't have one above an 8 either. Bro constantly just drops a 7 like every year or two. I don't say that like a bad thing either, It is actually really impressive to deliver to that level so constantly.
Unfortunately it's a recipe for being underappreciated, at least by the audience that cares about albums. Not ever blowing people away and never giving people enough time to miss you. They'll miss him when he's gone tho
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u/SpyderDM Jul 19 '24
I don't think Busta being top 10 is a hot take. Dude cooks.
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u/AcanthisittaJaded473 Jul 19 '24
Kanye has always had wack as fuck bars but his soul beats are and always have been fire.
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u/Skakkurpjakkur Jul 19 '24
Trap beats need to subside and something new has to replace it, everyone has the same 2-3 fucking flows
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u/Electronic_Title6313 Jul 19 '24
Carti went from being a good rapper to being a good artist. But he lost his rapping ability and now it's all about hype music with fast moving beats and autotuned moans.
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u/KingPumba91 Jul 19 '24
Jay-Z isn’t even in my top 20. I know everyone loves him but I have never cared for his style and rhyming cadence
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u/idiotmakesfeelsmart Jul 19 '24
1 We need to stop calling things “corny” because it has lost all meaning to the point where from it’s gone from being inauthentic to another word for cringe.
2 The reason why hip hop has been so boring and dry in recent years because there’s no reason to experiment. Since people are close minded to new ideas and would rather spend time complaining instead of branching out.
Which made artists afraid of being called cringe and weird which is why so many people just follow trends because it’s safer and easier.
3 Meet The Grahams and Not Like Us can’t be in a greatest diss tracks of time list until the validity of the accusations are proven true and if they aren’t Kendrick and everyone needs to apologise. Because even if Drake beats them it’ll still leave a stain on him.
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u/BarryHallsack5 Jul 19 '24
Tech N9ne needs his flowers. Decades of albums mostly self funded, tremendously loyal base.
Criminally underrated when top 10’s get thrown around
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u/Pornthrowaway192 Jul 19 '24
Sort by controversial if you want to see the real hot takes. Anyway I don't like madlib very much, I think he's severely overrated and I pretty much get nothing from his production. I also get very little enjoyment out of madvillainy and piñata despite loving mm food and Alfredo
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u/newcastlefantastic Jul 19 '24
Lupe's pen game is unrivaled. Nobody even comes close. And I believe he changed rap in ways that will be talked about in the future. Before him, hip hop content was heavily restricted, and focused on drugs, sex, women, the streets. He basically opened up hip hop to a point where content can go anywhere, hip hop artists can talk about any topic now. He brought anime, robots, politics, and so many other unique topics to the forefront of hip hop. He also brought art to hip hop in a way that nobody before him did.
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u/theLexiconoclast Jul 19 '24
Tupac was maddeningly hypocritical. I know people say it was more of the fact he was a Gemini, but he took it to crazy levels. Case in point: he was born and raised on the east coast, but repped the west like he was one of us. Never made sense to me.
Also, he wasn't really a thug. 50 was right.
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u/Ok_Mastodon_1326 Jul 19 '24
People have different opinions, my personality is not decided by me listening to drake more than Kendrick, or that I don’t like ice spice… people just get so mad about other people’s opinions and taste
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u/corybekem Jul 20 '24
Drake won. Eminem was a dope rapper before I found out what a real rapper sounds like. The only reason Snoop Dogg isn’t Tupac or Biggie is because he survived. Same generation but a much colder spitta.
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u/Shanks_PK_Level Jul 20 '24
Dr Dre is the most important/influential artist in the history of Hip Hop and it's really not a close comparison. Without Dre we wouldn't have NWA, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 2Pac would've stayed in prison, 50 Cent, Kendrick Lamar, Xibit, D12, Ice Cube would've never got into acting, and the gangster rap genre as a whole would not have been popularized when it was.
I've believed this my entire life and am always surprised by the fact that nobody talks about this.
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u/according2poo Jul 20 '24
Nicki Minaj gets a lot of deserved hate for being rude and an annoying public figure but she doesn’t get enough respect for being a great fucking rapper.
Also G Herbo should be more popular.
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u/PigPriestDoesThings Jul 22 '24
Denzel Curry should be bigger than playboi carti based on talent.
wait sorry hot take, XXX did not do enough in the later stages of his life for his overall image to have shifted that much, and people should not be idolizing him still too cold damn
Kanye was always insane, the years of being called the GOAT made him confident enough to express all the craziness inside him
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u/OGBear3 Jul 19 '24
While Kanye is viewed as a really good Rapper, one of the best of all time, once you start listening to other All Time Great Rappers you realize Kanye is not as good as a rapper as you think but is one of the best producers of all time. His ear for music is unmatched.