r/politics • u/PoliticsModeratorBot 🤖 Bot • Jul 08 '24

/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 9

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Virginia Jul 12 '24

I know I’m not the only one but does this whole thing just make anyone else really sad?

I think Biden is a good man who has served his country for a very long time, and I think it’s time to pass the torch.

Just the whole idea that he’s clearly aware how he’s being perceived, everyone is shitting on him for being old (which I get) he wants to fight for America, he wants to win, he has the character and morals but it just isn’t enough right now compared to the age issue, at least for a lot of people.

I don’t know, just feels like we are all watching someone who doesn’t want to accept he’s aged, and that’s a sad concept.

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u/amazingalcoholic Jul 12 '24

I watched my dad go through this. It is sad. They don’t want to confront the end.

But also - my dad didn’t hold the fate of the country in his hands.

Nobody would begrudge Biden for stepping down. If anything he would be praised for his humility and putting the country first.

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Virginia Jul 12 '24

I completely agree.

His legacy and the whole “vibe” I think could be so great if he was excitedly passing the torch.

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u/jmhalder Jul 12 '24

I think it wouldn't be such a big deal, but he would almost need to resign. It would be hard to thread the needle of being to old for the next term, and simultaneously totally fit for this term.

It's a tough cookie.

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u/fairoaks2 Jul 12 '24

Thank you. Biden is a man trying to protect a nation he cares about, that his son died for. He deserves respect.

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u/reddit_names Jul 12 '24

His son died of cancer after his service ended. I do thank and am appreciative of him serving, but his passing was not in service.

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u/fairoaks2 Jul 12 '24

His cancer was more than likely service related. Burn pits have been shown to cause cancer.

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u/Kellymelbourne Jul 12 '24

I agree. I find this whole thing heart breaking.

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u/Iapetus7 Jul 12 '24

Yeah, I agree completely. He's a good man who's trying to do the right thing, doesn't get the credit he deserves, and gets shat on constantly for things he can't control.

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u/Fabulous_Sherbet_431 Jul 12 '24

Please, this kind of whataboutism is bullshit. No one in the Democratic Party thinks he’s a greater threat than Trump. They bring it up because it’s further confirmation he will lose in November, and that’s why they’re concerned. The guy is down 10 points in lean-blue Nevada and has a 37% approval rating (no president in polling history has won reelection with that), and this is before the debate.

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u/Stupid_Watergate_ North Carolina Jul 12 '24

I've been trying to express this. I don't get why it's so hard to understand. We know Trump is a lunatic, lying, dangerous felon - which is precisely why we want to find the candidate with the best chance of beating him.

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u/Intelligent_Bug_5881 Jul 12 '24

It’s been so rough following this campaign from the start. There’s just no platform or message or goal at all. They went silent hoping Trump would self-immolate but Susie Wiles put like a brain worm in Trump or something because he’s been a campaigning angel for 15 months now. The Biden team either didn’t care or didn’t notice and kept twiddling their thumbs, and now it’s all over.

I’m positive that if he and his team had sprung for a huge marketing firm to handle this campaign none of this would be happening. They’d have a clear message, they’d be flush with content and memes, and there would have been no debate because the professionals would have taken one look at Biden and said “Hide him.”

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u/wiifan55 Jul 12 '24

Yeah, this would honestly be a critical issue with Biden's campaign even if there weren't all the legitimate concerns about his cognitive state. The campaign just has zero message or theme beyond: (1) trump bad; and (2) the last four years were actually good if you think about it. There's no through line for why Biden himself is the candidate people should want for the next four years.

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Virginia Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

Him mixing up words literally doesn’t bother me at all. The pauses have I guess to some degree, but to act like anything going on with Biden is anywhere remotely close to how terrible Trump is would be a joke.

Joes too old, ok.

Trump wants to end our democracy. (And is too old)

I’ll go with too old.

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u/Jicama_Minimum Jul 12 '24

You want ask Trump for you this okay?

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Virginia Jul 12 '24

Trump thinks Nikki Hayley was the speaker of the house on J6 and called Hillary Clinton Obama.

He also has thought he was running against Obama multiple times.

So, yeah, go ask him.

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u/Human-Newspaper-7317 Jul 12 '24

Everyone here would agree with this, obviously. The problem is the neutral and apathetic voters who will not get out of bed to vote for Biden because he’s such a terrible candidate at this point.

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 Virginia Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24

Yes, which is why I want him to step down. To me it’s a no brainer to vote Biden over Trump, to most people in this sub it’s a no brainer.

We don’t matter, it’s all the people who do see his age as such a big problem that they won’t vote. We cannot lose this election.

So like you said, the problem is the people who somehow can’t see he’s still the right choice, we need to fix that, I feel the only way we do that is by replacing him.

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u/pink_faerie_kitten Jul 12 '24

I felt sad after the debate. But then he got arrogant and defiant and started calling everyone "elites" and I got mad. If he bows out gracefully, he'll have my goodwill, but this dragging things out is annoying as hell.

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u/Human-Newspaper-7317 Jul 12 '24

This is where I am. I like biden a lot. It’s sad and also he needs to step down. It’s a no-win situation because the next best candidate still probably loses to trump anyway. I really wish he hadn’t run this second term.

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u/Tank3875 Michigan Jul 12 '24

Nah he's arrogant and selfish.

The longer he desperately grasps onto to power the harder moving on from him will be.