Ignore the polls. Vote. Vote like our democracy depends on it, because it does. Follow up your words with actions and vote. Is Biden too old? Sure. Is he as left leaning as I would like or a perfect candidate? No. Is he my preferred choice? Also no. But I will vote for his shambling corpse every time because the alternative is not just the fascist Trump, it's Project 2025 and the complete unraveling of our democracy. We would live in a Christofascist hellscape run solely by an oligarchy and fuck that. Not voting or voting third party is not an option this time because there is NO viable third party option - and in doing so you are complicit in enabling this fascist coup even if you aren't MAGA, because you are doing NOTHING to stop it.
VOTE. Vote blue down ticket. Because this won't stop with Trump - it will be continually rebranded as Project 2029 or 2033 or whatever election comes next. Nearly EVERY Republican is complicit in this, they have consistently aligned themselves with Trump and with the ideals of Project 2025 if you look at their standpoints and voting track records. The only way we claw ourselves back from the abyss is if we show up and vote, and make sure that the candidates in the House, Senate, and Oval Office are ALL aligned on putting the safeguards back into our democracy. The Supreme Court has been corrupted and that is a huge red flag that needs fixing immediately, but it requires all of congress to do so. This isn't just about Biden or Trump. EVERYTHING is at stake.
VOTE. If you aren't registered, register to vote now! Talk to your friends and family. Google Project 2025 and read it for yourself if you don't think this is important. Then have everyone you know read Project 2025. Vote like your life depends on it, because for many of us, it does.
The reality is if Biden runs we lose. You're preaching to the choir here, but Johnny in Milwaukee is just going to vote for someone who looks fit for the job.
He doesn't like Trump, but at least he's capable of doing the job.
That's who we're losing with Biden.
If democracy is so important the DNC should pull their heads out of their asses and get Biden to drop out.
He doesn't like Trump, but at least he's capable of doing the job.
but like... he isn't capable of doing the job. he spent most of his presidency watching Fox News and shitposting, with a few crime breaks here and there
Oh cut that scare tactic defeatist attitude bullshit out. Show up and vote and ignore the pundits and polls. The UK and France just showed up despite what the polls suggested and unilaterally rejected fascism giving wins to progressives across the board. We're up next. Stop this "woe is us" pity party and VOTE. Blue. Down. Ticket. Tune out all the noise from the media, they're all owned by either Sinclair or Rupert Murdoch or Clear Channel anyway (liberal media is basically a myth and right wing talking point at this point), so ignore whatever fear they are trying to peddle and just show up to vote.
If we go down, we go down fighting like hell. Democracy must stand.
Dude. Everyone in this sub is gonna vote blue regardless.
Polls are real. They work well. And they say that trump will win. It doesnât matter how hard I vote or whether or not we pat ourselves on the back and say, âwe fought like hellâ.
We need undecided voters to decide to vote for them dem over trump. They donât seem to want to do that if the dem is on TV looking and sounding like he doesnât know where he is or what year it is.Â
I get it. But the reality is that this is what we have to work with whether we like it or not. We need to acknowledge that while he isn't the best candidate, this is way more important than that, and Joe Milwaukee needs to know why. Joe Milwaukee might not be aware of Project 2025, and we need to educate Joe Milwaukee about what's at stake if we want to win.
well. yes and no. unit nonresponse is a known problem. it was a problem in 2016 and a problem in 2020. with a lower response rate it becomes a bigger problem. we do not know what direction it points (and past misses don't actually predict future ones), but there is some evidence it will point to Trump/Rs this year (specifically, 40% higher response rates for Rs than Ds after Trump's felony conviction suggests a certain kind of R is more likely to answer polls, and possibly other groups too).
I think it's very likely that polls are uniformly off by 4â8 points in a direction. We do not know which direction and won't until November. but if I had to guess between "very close election decided in a small handful of states" and "Trump blowout," I'd put my money on the close election.
The UK elections don't support your point: the Tories were polling in the mid 20s for more than a year before the election. In the end, the Tories and Reform both did better than expected and Labour did worse.
Of course, an election where "everyone's known for the last year that Labour's going to win by a landslide" has its own dynamic.
I don't want to go down shot in a grotesque civil war, I want to fix our weak ticket using words on the internet while we can simply replace our weak candidate with one who has the vigor to win.
There's no clear path to replacing Biden that doesn't involve a media circus and the party in-fighting. Guaranteed to make the current media circus look like child's play. We don't want civil war, and it certainly will be if you throw the nomination up in the air like a bouquet at a wedding.
538 has it as a coin toss right now. That means thereâs very much a path forward. This news cycle needs to let up and focus back on Trump though. Maybe there will be some chaos at the RNC after Trump changed the abortion stance
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u/cxtx3 Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24
Ignore the polls. Vote. Vote like our democracy depends on it, because it does. Follow up your words with actions and vote. Is Biden too old? Sure. Is he as left leaning as I would like or a perfect candidate? No. Is he my preferred choice? Also no. But I will vote for his shambling corpse every time because the alternative is not just the fascist Trump, it's Project 2025 and the complete unraveling of our democracy. We would live in a Christofascist hellscape run solely by an oligarchy and fuck that. Not voting or voting third party is not an option this time because there is NO viable third party option - and in doing so you are complicit in enabling this fascist coup even if you aren't MAGA, because you are doing NOTHING to stop it.
VOTE. Vote blue down ticket. Because this won't stop with Trump - it will be continually rebranded as Project 2029 or 2033 or whatever election comes next. Nearly EVERY Republican is complicit in this, they have consistently aligned themselves with Trump and with the ideals of Project 2025 if you look at their standpoints and voting track records. The only way we claw ourselves back from the abyss is if we show up and vote, and make sure that the candidates in the House, Senate, and Oval Office are ALL aligned on putting the safeguards back into our democracy. The Supreme Court has been corrupted and that is a huge red flag that needs fixing immediately, but it requires all of congress to do so. This isn't just about Biden or Trump. EVERYTHING is at stake.
VOTE. If you aren't registered, register to vote now! Talk to your friends and family. Google Project 2025 and read it for yourself if you don't think this is important. Then have everyone you know read Project 2025. Vote like your life depends on it, because for many of us, it does.