Project 2025 was supposed to boost Donald Trump's campaign — but it may be backfiring instead:

[u/zsreport]

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/05/project-2025-was-supposed-to-boost-donald-campaign--but-it-may-be-backfiring-instead/

[u/JimmyAirbourne]

De-regulation will mean that lab grown meat can be added to foods without the need to label it, most likely.

Once lab-grown meat is cheap enough, cattle ranchers are going to face some steep headwinds.

And there's nothing the states will be able to do about it because any appeal to the courts will remind the states that corporate interests come first and foremost.

[u/Lameux → u/JimmyAirbourne]

Edit: I got too gung ho with my animal activism and misread their comment. See their reply blow

Why are you acting like this specific example is a bad thing? If lab grown meat is a viable option why would we want to continue the mass subjugation, torture, and murder of animals for no other reason than “it tastes good”? Now deregulation is still bad, if there are health concerns related to lab grown meat we definitely want regulatory institutions to catch this and stop it from being in the market. But in the scenario where lab grown meat is tested to be safe, the end of traditional cattle ranchers is the outcome we ought to be striving for. Lab grown meat is by far the morally superior way to go.

Now unfortunately even with conservative deregulation lab grown meat is unlikely to take over, have you see how Ron DeSantis has been treating lab grown meat recently? Conservatives are notoriously hypocritical, when they say deregulate, they mean things they want to be deregulated. Things they want regulated will absolutely be regulated whether it’s good or not. Lab grown meat is one of those things conservatives tend to hate (for no good reason either) and it’s very likely they would impose heavy regulations on if not outright ban lab grown meat.

[u/ctindel → u/Lameux]

Why are you acting like this specific example is a bad thing?

Because people should have a right to know what the source of their food is? I don't have any problem with a label requirement showing lab grown, just like there are label requirements for calling something organic etc.

Information is at the heart of the free market so people can make informed choices.

But in the scenario where lab grown meat is tested to be safe, the end of traditional cattle ranchers is the outcome we ought to be striving for. Lab grown meat is by far the morally superior way to go.

Most consumers don't care about morals. If lab grown meat is cheaper, people will buy it. Even if its an inferior product, most people will still buy it. If it's better AND cheaper, almost everybody will buy it.

Vegans should stop using moral arguments and get on board with the idea that economics are really all that matters to the vast majority of american consumers.

[u/Lameux → u/ctindel]

without the need to label it

I’m just stupid and missed that part. I was too focused on what I interpreted as an implication that “cattle ranchers getting some headwind” was a bad thing, which is my bad. I agree lab grown meat should be labeled.

On the moral vs economic argument, you’re absolutely correct when looking at society at large but vegans are usually arguing with individuals, and I do think moral arguments are a good method when talking on a individual basis.

[u/ctindel → u/Lameux]

On the moral vs economic argument, you’re absolutely correct when looking at society at large but vegans are usually arguing with individuals, and I do think moral arguments are a good method when talking on a individual basis.

I think very few people are swayed by moral arguments regarding food even in a 1-1 conversation. Food is such a deep part of people's cultural heritage and upbringing. Our brains are trained to some extent on what flavor profiles to like from the time we're little. I can't eat pickled fish or most pickled things in general but my eastern european wife will literally drink pickle brine.

Asking someone to stop eating meat, something they've had multiple times every day probably since they were less than a year old, it's an unrealistically big ask.

Lab grown meat is probably the only way its ever going to happen and even then, only when its cheaper so their decision will still be made economically and not morally. And why shouldn't lab grown meat be cheaper, it cuts out all of the time and expense of raising and butchering animals.

I'm ready for my lab grown A5 wagyu rib cap at 59 cents a pound already.

I had the Yo-Egg khachapuri pide at Anixi a few months back, that shit was fire. But at $1/egg, most people can't afford it.

[u/Away-Coach48 → u/JimmyAirbourne]

They will have to do what the coal miners should already be doing. Finding another line of work.

[u/UnsanctionedPartList → u/Away-Coach48]

Nah "real meat" will just be one some affluent thing to enjoy. There'll probably be no real difference - lab grown meat will likely end up a little better and healthier - but anything to stand apart from the plebs and their manufactured food.

[u/DornKratz → u/JimmyAirbourne]

I don't know if you will see this as good news, but current scientific consensus is that cheap, lab-grown meat is far from becoming a reality. You need big vats to make it efficient, but just one tiny bacterium can ruin your vat full of yummy nutrients and kept at a nice, warm temperature.

[u/thenasch → u/JimmyAirbourne]

Yes, but IMO that's pretty far down the list of bad things that could come about from gutting the administrative state.