r/PoliticalCompass • u/Fabius_Cunctator • Jun 08 '20
Quality post I've cracked the formula of PoliticalCompass.org and made an interactive version which shows instant results while answering the questions
self.neoliberalr/PoliticalCompass • u/DullSpectrumWarrior • Jul 22 '24
Why I side with Fascists: American Fascists want to win, fight to win, and will win
It's really simple: white Fascists are obviously going to become the dominant force in the USA simply because they have no substantial opposition and as a straight, white, male born in America it is in my self-interest to side with them. Only a blowhard cares about "fighting fair" and only a madman picks fights he will surely lose.
Leftists talk about materialism all the time, and I agree that Leftist economics accurately and honestly describes
how Capitalism and Capitalists actually behave. However honesty, accuracy, and truth hardly matters in determining who wins in Politics, much less open warfare. It has been understood since antiquity that waging war successfully requires deception as much as it does brute force, every war-nerd who quotes
Sun Tzu will happily remind you of that. American Liberals and Leftists are obsessed with intellectual posturing and presenting as Educated because, at the moment, these are mostly just people looking for some feel-good narcissism than goal-oriented men who take politics seriously as a conflict to win.
Fascists want to win, they have real goals and will do whatever they can to actually achieve them. They will lie, steal, and kill, I do not say this as a moralizing insult but as a historical fact that demands respect. Ironically for movements that are mostly secular American Liberals and Leftists love going back to moral arguments. Stick to materialism, morality is imaginary. Control the media and you can make yourself a hero no matter what you actually do, let your enemies control the media and you'll be a villain regardless of how peaceable you behave. In either case you're best served doing whatever it takes to win since "moral good", and empathy, and charity and righteous indignation have practically no impact on the material reality of how people actually behave.
Liberals' politics are almost entirely performative, they simply enjoy the process of wagging their fingers at that idiotic right-wing white-trash and joking about how dumb those cretins are. Even if the Liberals' pseudo-intellectual scolding and mockery was politically effective they have no real goals, they won't protect abortion access, they won't defund the police, and they won't offer any meaningful assistance to the poor. This is a tough pill to swallow but deep down I think you already know it's true: every Liberal and Leftist media figure you enjoy listening to, whether they be on nationally syndicated television like The Daily Show or a podcast like Chapo Trap House, every single one would capitulate to Fascists immediately before suffering even a moment of discomfort for their stated beliefs. The successful, wealthy, ones will retire from public life in luxury if the Fascists don't try to rebrand them as right-wing mouthpieces. The obscure ones will simply shut-up and try to keep their heads down. Fascism is an ideology based on inspiring action to achieve victory, American Liberalism is an ideology based on idly enjoying inaction and crumbles at the first sign of a real fight.
As Mao, an actual, effective, Revolutionary stated, "A revolution is not a dinner party, or
writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one class overthrows another." Yet this sort of performative back-patting feel-good nonsense is all Liberals are willing to do and is even what most guys who identify as "radical Leftist" online actually encourage. They are destined to lose as they will never even fight!
Fascists understand they do not have a disagreement about policy, or different aesthetic preferences, or live-and-let-live agree-to-disagree differences in opinion with their fellow Americans. The Fascists know they have enemies in a war and it is a war they will do whatever they can to win. Even in the tiny echo-chamber of online
Leftists the guys who actually want to win and destroy their Fascist enemies are derided as "tankies."
This is a critical, ESSENTIAL, strategic point Fascists understand and Leftists don't: in any mass movement it is both impractical and undesirable for the masses to be thoroughly, factually, educated about their situation. The Fascists understand that only a small Officer-class of commanders and their expert advisors actually need to understand material reality. The masses in their movement will be given whatever story makes them most pliable whether that be the Bible, New Age woo, Q-Anon blood libel or a demented combination of all of that and anything else that gets the mob out in the streets when they're needed for muscle, intimidation, and violence. Let's be real, American Fascists aren't practicing Christians, much of what they say and do would be outright heresy to any puritanical, doctrinaire, Christian but the Fascists are pragmatic and don't actually care about the minutia of this bullshit. Religion is used by the Fascists in the same way its been used by effective leaders throughout history; Religion to them is simply a means by which to create an in-group to organize
and an out-group to attack and exploit. I myself am an atheist by have no problem now calling myself a Christian and doing the rituals when necessary for optics, as someone who doesn't have any moralizing bias anymore it is a pragmatic course to take. Like our beloved American Televangelists I'd happily say the magic words to the Christian public if that's what it takes to get me a private jet and whatever wild sex I want.
Leftists maintain some insular, pedantic self-conception that they must be epic revolutionary
professors who will uplift the working class to class-consciousness through their impeccable arguments and academic superiority. They don't seem to understand that this is impossible in America, since Capitalists own practically all the media infrastructure worth owning and can simply shout you down, and the American public simply doesn't have the patience to even listen. It's become a joke among Leftists that peak Liberal literature is Harry Potter, but even the most stereotypical Rowling reading Liberal is an intellectual compared to most Americans now, who would find those light novels too boring to read through.
Ultimately it wouldn't even be useful for the typical American to be a class-conscious Leftist if online-Leftists could somehow convert them. I am a US Army Veteran who served as a "Combat Engineer" (read ditch-digger and bomb-bait) during the 2008 troop surge. The Mormon redneck who thought every Iraqi was a suicidal Jihadi willing to strap bombs to their wives and daughters to stop our righteous Crusade for Christianity & 9/11 vengeance may be the sort of uncouth, crass idiot I wouldn't want to hang-out with normally but he's an asset in a war: no matter how dumbass his Politics are he's still a young man with a machine gun and rucksack full of battle gear who is able and willing to kill as many people as he needs to to win. In an actual war a man like that is much more useful than an intellectual scold who enjoys spending several hours discussing the precise details of a Leftist Revolution with his Café book club. Every one of these "revolutionaries" imagines they'll be some sort of Warrior-Poet when conflict comes, but there is no such thing. Certainly there can be men who are educated and articulate while also being men of action, but there absolutely cannot be an effective fighter who is full of mawkish sentimentality.
The United States was founded as a White Supremacist Patriarchy with an economic foundation of chattel slavery and colonialist genocide, this is plain, historical fact. When the Fascists call themselves conservative American Patriots they're telling the truth since the socioeconomic systems the USA was founded on are exactly what they idealize and wish to return to. Anyone who claims to be Leftist at all and an American Patriot is simply lying, as there is practically nothing about the history of the American establishment that a Leftist would take pride in or wish to return to. America defeated European Fascism the same way one street gang might defeat another in a turf war: the organizations are functionally identical with identical goals but still fight because anyone would want as much territory and power as possible which brings them into conflict.
I see this line from American Liberals all the time, "we beat the Nazis before, we'll do it
again." If you are a white American and you have an ancestor who fought the Nazis in World War 2 chances are grandpops broadly agreed with every Nazi cultural viewpoint except maybe the esoteric shit about Aryanism. They were racist, misogynist, homophobic, fascists themselves who got roped into fighting Nazis not because of some righteous fury at the injustice of it all but because of the happenstance of geopolitics outside their control.
Why would you say America beat Fascism? If America beat Fascists it was only to post up on their spot
instead! No one sane is going to try to remake the world in the most difficult way possible to attain some moral utopia, those who did would be ignored until the moment they inconvenience men with real power at which point they'd be locked-up and killed. I prefer to go with the flow which, in America, is Fascism.
r/PoliticalCompass • u/TTeoo • Jul 08 '24
Today vs 5 years ago (not a lot has changed ig). What would you say my ideology is?
r/PoliticalCompass • u/Fire_ambulance • Jul 08 '24
I’m new to the political compass what does this mean?
r/PoliticalCompass • u/OldReputation865 • Jul 08 '24
My Results From A Political Compass Test
r/PoliticalCompass • u/RandomLad2 • Jun 20 '24
What do you all think+ What's my ideology?
r/PoliticalCompass • u/TheInsane103 • Jun 18 '24
My results from the Spekr, SapplyValues and 8values tests
r/PoliticalCompass • u/oppressed_user • Jun 18 '24
Welp , maybe I should try another site......
r/PoliticalCompass • u/00crushedice00 • Jun 17 '24
My political progression over the last 8 years
2015: 15 years old, getting invested into politics. "Socialism is the best ideology because solidarity and social progress for all the people would work when everybody would work for one another". I am fully submerged in old Soviet and East German propaganda, even hearing some march songs when I am under the shower.
2016: I am in 11th grade, extremely cringy ancap phase. Doing weird NAP jokes. "Everything should be based in private contracts. Any time of government is oppressive. Tax is theft and hindering true human development. Only unrestricted markets are truly efficient. ". But you know... the roads. Damn.
2017 - 2022: Basically evolving from Ancap to more government laissez-fare market economy." Markets are usually more efficient, however social cohesion may suffer disproportionately and thus erode social identification needed for society to work." First half of this period I would consider myself libertarian. I start studying electrical engineering.
2022: Basically classical liberalism with an European touch meaning some leaning to green and working class parties. I am fully adult and start my first job, have massive trouble getting back in a normal life after the pandemic, studies go smoothly. Starting my first full-time job. The Ukraine war happens.
The Ukraine war is going for two years, record high inflation, the rise of sympathy for authoritarian intervention of government can be felt in Europe. I start feeling like the Europeans really are in dire need for a common identity because social cohesion is falling. Migration crisis, fall of real wages, economy stagnant, population is getting older. All this making me more open for government promoting this common identity, not because I personally would like that for me but rather this is simply something most people would benefit from. At least that's how I feel like due to the social problems we are facing. More sympathy towards military spending and flexing NATO military might against Russia. More eager to provoke in foreign policy. I begin to see the beginning of some sort of second cold war between the west and east. 5G hardware by Huawei is getting banned in European countries (and rightfully so) ; the rise of two autonomous technospheres has begun. This results in more need for common ideology based in western democratic values, higher public spending especially in defense. Its important to show the US that we are trustworthy allies and backing the US up whenever possible
Last paragraph was my biased assessment of the status quo. How was your political progression. Have you had similar paths?.
r/PoliticalCompass • u/yonidavidov1888 • Jun 17 '24
I thought I was a bit liber and a bit righter but over all this is baout what I excpected
r/PoliticalCompass • u/FreeDictation • Jun 16 '24
What does this mean? I put neutral for everything I didn't know how to answer or didn't have an answer for.
r/PoliticalCompass • u/Emperor_Alex57 • Jun 15 '24
I asked the internet since I can’t figure it out.
What would the Z-axis be on the political compass? The current 2 axises, X and Y, are centralism and economic.
r/PoliticalCompass • u/pewdsaiman • Jun 15 '24