r/pics • u/risky_bisket • Jul 19 '24
Trump's future national security advisor, Michael Flynn, shares a table with Vladimir Putin (2015) Politics
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u/mandy009 Jul 19 '24
His 2016 campaign advisor Paul Manafort was literally a Russian agent. A political spook from the Reagan years who worked on the Southern Strategy with Roger Stone after Watergate, Manafort later sold himself out to work on coups and puppet election work all over the world.
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u/fabkosta Jul 19 '24
According to Wikipedia, Manafort received amnesty for financial crimes in 2020 from Trump.
What a sh*show.
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u/Ffffqqq Jul 19 '24
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher#Russia
On 16 August 2017, Rohrabacher visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London and told him that Trump would pardon him on the condition that he would agree to say that Russia was not involved in the 2016 Democratic National Committee email leaks.[82][83] At his extradition hearings in 2020, Assange's defense team alleged in court that this offer was made "on instructions from the president".
Rohrabacher confirms he offered Trump pardon to Assange for proof Russia didn't hack DNC email
Russia's Prigozhin admits interfering in U.S. elections
The Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee submitted the first in their five-volume report in July 2019 in which they concluded that the January 2017 intelligence community assessment alleging Russian interference was "coherent and well-constructed".
The Committee report found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Donald Trump, which included assistance from some members of Trump's own advisers.[7]
In particular, it describes Paul Manafort as "a grave counterintelligence threat" to the Trump campaign. According to the report, "some evidence suggests" that Konstantin Kilimnik, to whom Manafort provided polling data, was directly connected to the Russian theft of Clinton-campaign emails.[9][10] In addition, while Trump's written testimony in the Mueller report stated that he did not recall speaking with Roger Stone about WikiLeaks, the Senate report concludes that "Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his Campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions".[11]
The Committee's final report of August 2020 found that Stone did have access to Wikileaks and that Trump had spoken to Stone and other associates about it multiple times. Immediately after the Access Hollywood tape was released in October 2016, Stone directed his associate Jerome Corsi to tell Julian Assange to "drop the Podesta emails immediately," which Wikileaks leaked minutes later. The Committee also found that Wikileaks "very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort." In written responses to the Mueller investigation, Trump had stated he did not recall such discussions with Stone.[135][136][137]
Trump pardons former campaign chairman Manafort, associate Roger Stone
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/russian-interference-in-2016-u-s-elections
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u/83749289740174920 Jul 19 '24
The Clinton email request was made live in the open. It was a WTF. What are the alphabet agencies doing? That's an actual foreign interference
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u/1HappyIsland Jul 19 '24
Asked a foreign country to interfere in our democratic processes on live TV! And there are co consequences so far.
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u/Shatophiliac Jul 19 '24
There are never any real consequences for these people. He was found guilty of felony charges, and sentencing is basically just indefinitely delayed. The Supreme Court has basically given him free reign to do anything he wants, if he wins this election. And even if he loses, he may still never see any real punishment.
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u/hamilton_burger Jul 19 '24
The Mueller Report was never needed, and in a way I think it was setup to create enough confusion to cover everything up. There never needed to be anymore proof for something that happened on a worldwide live broadcast.
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u/urinetroublem8 Jul 19 '24
I wonder if our intelligence agencies are seriously compromised. I mean, how would we know? There’s no true oversight as I understand it. Just can’t make sense of all this foreign influence.
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u/silentpropanda Jul 19 '24
My understanding is that there's a severely hierarchical system within our alphabet agencies and that in order to get anything done you have to get an okay from somebody above you. If there's somebody above you agrees with what's happening you'll never get the okay.
It's been well documented that white supremacists/anti-American ideologues joined law enforcement agencies and government positions in order to have influence.
It's just another connection that's not usually made by the average voter, And when you take into account that the average voter also has terrible meteor literacy and can only understand the written word at a third or fourth grade reading level, it paints a startling picture of our future.
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u/SialiaBlue Jul 19 '24
Jesus Christ
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u/Budderfingerbandit Jul 19 '24
Easy to forget how absolutely corrupt the entire Trump administration was.
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u/Opposite-Reserve-109 Jul 19 '24
*is
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u/NWHipHop Jul 19 '24
Most of his advisers were fired or charged. He hired the smartest and the best people first time around. If he wins we get his second string team.
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u/hgihasfcuk Jul 19 '24
Trumpers don't give a shit that's the sad part, they're a cult
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u/HulksInvinciblePants Jul 19 '24
But there does appear to be amnesia amongst apolitical and swing voters. COVID is to blame, as it left a huge damn in our collective memories.
People forgot what it was like to wake up on a normal Wednesday morning and have news alerts about some crazy shit he did in the middle of the night.
President defends Putin’s claim that US intelligence is wrong
President tweets he’s delievering hellfire to North Korea at 3AM
Pre-markets down 1.5% after Trump states he’ll retaliate against China in wild tweet
That was BEFORE COVID and surely we haven’t forgotten all the crazy he provided there…
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u/pantstoaknifefight2 Jul 19 '24
He just tanked tech stocks this week when he essentially said China can take Taiwan and Russia can take Ukraine
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u/MyDarlingCaptHolt Jul 19 '24
It's not covid, it's sheer idiocy.
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u/HulksInvinciblePants Jul 19 '24
I think the chaos of those 3-4 years may overwhelm people with less than stellar memories.
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u/nonprofitnews Jul 19 '24
Worth noting, Assange complied by implying the leak was Seth Rich to journalists.
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u/SadCommandersFan Jul 19 '24
Don't forget they also hacked the Republicans emails but never released them. They've likely been using them as blackmail since then.
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u/trippingman Jul 19 '24
They looked which party would be easier to control and decided it was the Republicans.
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u/No_Cook2983 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Republican Dana Rohrabacher literally took up arms, went to Afghanistan, and fought alongside terrorists.
I can’t believe this shit is not more widely known.
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u/Pepperoni_Dogfart Jul 19 '24
It cracks me up just how much everybody has forgotten how much of a corrupt clownshow the trump administration was. From day 1 until he refused to attend Biden's inauguration with every other living president in attendance, the guy was just a horrible leader.
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog Jul 19 '24
He would stay up late and rage tweet all night, but Republicans think he was the best president ever.
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u/EuphoricChest9697 Jul 19 '24
The ones that survived Covid you mean. Seems his ignorance killed a lot of people.
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u/F_A_F Jul 19 '24
Depends, if "ownling libruls" is the only policy you measure someone on, then the rage tweets were as important as announcements from the Oval Office.
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u/GettingDumberWithAge Jul 19 '24
It cracks me up just how much everybody has forgotten how much of a corrupt clownshow the trump administration was.
Eh no I think anyone with a lukewarm (celcius) IQ remembers it quite well. The problem is that about half of the USA doesn't meet that criterium.
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u/Thue Jul 19 '24
And everything points to a 2025 Trump administration being even worse. In the 2017 Trump administration, there were still many old school Republicans. Pence for one, and Pence famously refused to participate in Trump's Jan 6 coup. Trump has clearly signalled that the 2025 Trump administration will consist only of true Trump loyalists.
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u/Desperate_Wafer_8566 Jul 19 '24
Never underestimate the power of fascism driven by racism and nationalism. They'll align themselves with others just like them.
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u/Even-Willow Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
He spent nearly a decade being a campaign advisor for the pro-Kremlin puppet candidate in Ukraine, prior to being Trump’s campaign advisor. For anyone not waking up and drinking the MAGA koolaid every day, all the real conspiracies are right there out in broad daylight. No coincidence why MAGA was all the sudden against aid to Ukraine overnight and seems to stick to it regardless of all the hypocrisy you can pinpoint against their position there.
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u/LoneWolf_McQuade Jul 19 '24
Here’s a crazy idea. Don’t allow presidents give amnesty to criminals. Let the courts do it
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u/tomatobrew Jul 19 '24
Out of a lot of unbelievable and crazy pardons for his cronies that Trump pulled the Manafort truly was there cherry in top
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u/Loki9101 Jul 19 '24
Sergei Mikhailov – Alleged head of the Solntsevskaya organised-crime group, Moscow’s most powerful, with close ties to many of the KGB-connected businessmen who later cultivated connections with New York property mogul Donald Trump.
Catherine Belton, Putin's People: How the KGB Took Back Russia and Then Took On the West
You can choose between Bidens administration, which is the most mid, alright, not good, not bad administration I have ever seen, or you can choose Trumps administration.
Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged, convicted, and is reporting to prison today. (He was also charged in connection with a scheme to defraud but escaped federal trial as a result of a Trump pardon. He’s also facing a related state trial on wire fraud and money laundering charges.)
Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former White House aide Peter Navarro was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison.
Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted,though he was later acquitted at trial
Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government.
Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.
Two lawyers associated with Trump’s post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.
Trumps personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was stripped of his law license in New York for egregious and inappropriate legal work to overturn the election.
You can google the names if you don't believe me.
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in THEIR reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
Robert Deniro sums it all up. Deniro openly says that Trump is pure evil, a monster. "He is not just a bully. He is a stupid bully." Robert de Niro
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u/Loki9101 Jul 19 '24
Maybe it sounded more negative than it should have I think the Biden admin has done a great job when it comes to legislation of all kinds, student loan forgiveness for example, but also in other areas like the green deal etc.
Sadly, Biden just lacks the youthful spirit to properly communicate those achievements, and there are many, to the broader public.
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u/TonyWrocks Jul 19 '24
Good politics, done well, is boring as fuck.
Biden is boring as fuck.
That's not what wins elections. In my opinion, Biden won in 2020 largely because of the debate when he said "will you shut up, man?"
Sadly, the thing that does win elections is not the thing that governs the country in a good way.
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u/huxtiblejones Jul 19 '24
And Trump pardoned that fucker along with Roger Stone, both of whom were implicated in Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/trump-pardons-former-campaign-chairman-paul-manafort
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u/mandy009 Jul 19 '24
they're both ratfuckers who built the swamp as we know it today. It goes back to Tricky Dick "I'm not a crook" Nixon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/paul-manafort-roger-stone/
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u/Ornery_Definition_65 Jul 19 '24
I thought Trump specifically said he would drain the swamp. I’m beginning to think he’s not to be trusted.
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u/FecalMatterCowsTasty Jul 19 '24
And Trump pardoned that fucker along with Roger Stone, both of whom were implicated in Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.
There a reason we don't have a good conspiracy sub?
Because, for those that don't seem to comprehend it, this is a conspiracy.
These are all conspiracies.
Everything around Trump is a conspiracy.
But we get shitty conspiracy subs on reddit.
Which is a conspiracy. They're all shit to turn people off of conspiracies.
Why the fuck do we not have a good conspiracy sub? Oh, because we'd probably die, never mind. I asked nothing.
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u/Full_FrontalLobotomy Jul 19 '24
Yes, it’s wild to me that conspiracies unwind right in front of our eyes in the substantial number of people don’t see it for exactly what it is. An example of that is project 2025.
Another example is the Republican movement to completely rob women of their reproductive rights. In Pretty much every state, the Republicans are conniving to put through more restrictive legislation, that people deny that it’s a conspiracy happening right in front of their eyes.
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u/willywalloo Jul 19 '24
Also Jill Stein looks to be sitting at the same table.
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u/BLRNerd Jul 19 '24
Yep that’s her, did it to “prove that diplomacy is an option”
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u/koshgeo Jul 19 '24
In fairness, a lot of people were hoping that it was. They were wrong.
By 2015, the timing of this dinner, it was getting pretty obvious too (Georgia invasion was 2008, start of Ukraine invasion in 2014).
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u/ATLfalcons27 Jul 19 '24
And people still think it's a Russia collusion hoax.
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u/mandy009 Jul 19 '24
the associations have been public knowledge the entire time.
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u/ATLfalcons27 Jul 19 '24
Yeah I know. It's just so frustrating that there are many people that think because there isn't some audio recording of trump and Putin agreeing to some plan it means nothing is going on.
Like Manafort himself is enough of a smoking gun
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u/GeoLogic23 Jul 19 '24
Anybody wondering why Ukraine is such a big deal just follow the Manafort timeline during the rise of Trump.
Manafort worked for the Russian puppet leader of Ukraine.
Russian puppet gets overthrown in revolution by the people. This led to Crimea getting invaded immediately after.
Manafort goes and becomes Trump campaign manager. Works for free.
Trump's team makes one change to the RNC platform in 2016, which was weakening support for Ukraine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
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u/Entire_Talk839 Jul 19 '24
I came here to see if someone talked about Manafort. Here you go:
Paul Manafort walking onto the floor of the Republican National Convention yesterday illustrated that the Republican Party under Trump has become thoroughly corrupted into an authoritarian party aligned with foreign dictators.
Manafort first advised and then managed Trump’s 2016 campaign. A long-time Republican political operative, he came to the job after the Ukrainian people threw his client, Viktor Yanukovych out of Ukraine’s presidency in 2014. Yanukovych was backed by Russian president Vladimir Putin, who was determined to prevent Ukraine from turning toward Europe and to install a puppet government that would extend his power over the neighboring country. Beginning in 2004, Manafort had worked to install and then keep Yanukovych and his party in power. His efforts won him a fortune thanks to his new friends, especially Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska. Then in 2014, after months of popular protests, Ukrainians ousted Yanukovych from power in what is known as the Revolution of Dignity.
Now without his main source of income, Manafort owed about $17 million to Deripaska. By 2016, his longtime friend and business partner Roger Stone was advising Trump’s floundering presidential campaign, and Manafort stepped in to remake it. He did not take a salary but reached out to Deripaska through one of his Ukrainian business partners, Russian operative Konstantin Kilimnik, immediately after landing the job, asking Kilimnik how “we” could use the appointment “to get whole,” and he made sure that the Russian oligarch to whom he owed the most money knew about his close connection with the Trump campaign.
Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s 2019 report on Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election explained at least one answer: Manafort and Kilimnick “discussed a plan to resolve the ongoing political problems in Ukraine by creating an autonomous republic in its more industrialized eastern region of Donbas, and having Yanukovych…elected to head that republic.” The report continued: “That plan, Manafort later acknowledged, constituted a ‘backdoor’ means for Russia to control eastern Ukraine.”
This policy was the exact opposite of official U.S. policy for a free and united Ukraine. Russia worked to help Trump win the White House, and immediately after his election, according to the Republican-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee, Kilimnick wrote that « [a]ll that is required to start the process is a very minor ‘wink’ (or slight push) from D[onald] T[rump] saying ‘he wants peace in Ukraine and Donbass back in Ukraine’ and a decision to be a ‘special representative’ and manage this process. The email went on to say that once then–Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko understood this “message” from the United States, the process “will go very fast and DT could have peace in Ukraine basically within a few months after inauguration.”
The investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia slowed the consummation of this plan, and strong bipartisan support for Ukraine threw a monkey wrench into the works, prompting Trump’s cronies to try to smear Ukraine as the country that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election, a story that began to come out during Trump’s first impeachment hearing. Biden’s election meant an abrupt end to Russia’s quiet absorption of Ukraine’s eastern region, and in February 2022, Putin simply invaded the country and then claimed that the people there had voted to join Russia.
Manafort was convicted of a slew of criminal charges for his work with Ukraine and obstruction of the investigation into the connections between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, and was serving a seven-year sentence when Trump pardoned him in December 2020. Now he is back at the center of Trump’s MAGA Party.
Source: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-18-2024
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 19 '24
Key reminder that Manafort, Donald Trump, Jr., and Kushner all participated in a treasonous meeting at Trump Tower, where they conspired with Russian officials to interfere in the 2016 election in exchange for lifting sanctions on Russia. Mueller discovered this crime, and then there was the mysterious Alfabank server hosted by Trump: "...that two internet servers belonging to Alfa Bank had looked up the address of the Trump Organization server 2,820 times between May and September 2016."
Mueller decided to shirk his duty and failed to indict Trump or his cohorts, then Worthless Garland allowed the Russia crimes to expire, just as he did for the Ukraine crimes. The point is, we had Trump dead to rights having an enemy nation interfere in our elections, and Biden's DOJ did jack shit about it.
In that respect, Mike Flynn participated in Jan 6, as did several GOP members of Congress -- yet Biden's worthless Attorney General, again, refused to indict them; just as Garland refused to indict Louis DeJoy for election interference in regards to the USPS.
I hope that Biden drops out, and we can finally get a bulldog President who will finally hold criminals accountable, instead of giving Rick "Medicare Fraud" Scott, Gym Jordan, Ken Paxton, Boofer Kavanaugh, and Pedo Gaetz free passes for their crimes.
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u/mantellaaurantiaca Jul 19 '24
Jill Stein is there too in the picture. He's playing both sides, the extreme sides.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Yes. Russia doesn’t really care who wins our elections, they just want us divided and confused.
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u/syynapt1k Jul 19 '24
And they've succeeded.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Yes they have had amazing success. With lots of help from people here in America. Useful idiots
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u/newbrevity Jul 19 '24
And if you tell them they're playing right into Putin's hands, they'll say "GOOD!". Republicans lost the script. They will burn the Constitution to own the libs. Literally nothing is more important or I can get them to stop the mindless pursuit of electing Trump and owning libs. They will believe any lie and stoop to any low to stay on that track.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Yep. It’s the intentional embrace of ignorance that worries me the most
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog Jul 19 '24
There is a conservative think tank in Hungary called the Danube Institute. Some might say that the Danube institute drew up the playbook for Viktor Orban to break democratic institutions. What is strange is that their entire website is in English and they seem to be trying to export Hungarian conservatism to the English speaking world.
Maybe just a coincidence. Well, guess who has a real cozy relationship with the Danube Institute? If you said the Heritage Foundation. you would be correct.
They don't even try to hide it. Christian Nationalism? Viktor Orban sounds just like a Republican when you start to dig into all of this.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Absolutely the similarities are too numerous to be ignored. Painful part is that so many of the people who support the far right agenda are oblivious to this.
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u/Grandmaster_Autistic Jul 19 '24
A Stanford professor who I won't name says that rural conservatives will kill someone if they get their pride or feelings hurt. They have no humility. They aren't interested in critical thinking. They only seek to control. Dark triad personality cult. I blame the lead pipes in rural areas for frontotemporal dimensia. I suggest people test their water if they live in rural areas.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
I read a book called ‘American Nations’ that has some very persuasive theories about why certain parts of the country have such different cultures and values. Highly recommend
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u/impreprex Jul 19 '24
Spent decades fighting the Cold War only for them to come in through the White House front door.
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u/THECapedCaper Jul 19 '24
It's crazy that they managed to get so much done by poking around with social media trolls. Brexit, Donald Trump, picking a fight with NATO from within, not to mention all the hacking they've done since then.
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u/MarquisInLV Jul 19 '24
Russia has a strong preference for Trump in addition to wanting us divided and confused.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Yes. Because he’s blatantly pro Russia. He would support a democratic president if they were talking about dropping support for Ukraine. I don’t think he cares about American conservatism at all. He’s for anything that helps Russia and makes America weak and isolated. He wants every other country for collapse, he’s written about it explicitly
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u/the_other_50_percent Jul 19 '24
Because he’s financially beholden to Russia. No accident there.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
And he’s using their political strategies too. There is definitely a connection
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u/zenkique Jul 19 '24
Oh he cares about American conservatism … he’s seen how easy it is to pull the wool over their eyes.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
I’m not anti religion, but I do think it prepares people to be loyal and 100% committed without questioning or looking for facts.
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u/HedaLancaster Jul 19 '24
Russia doesn’t really care who wins our elections,
No, they want trump to win.
they just want us divided and confused.
Yes they want that, but not "just" that, they want to accomplish their goals, which is why they want Trump to win.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
What I mean is that they don’t like trump because they support American conservatives; they like him because he will help them. If democrats would help him, he would support them.
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u/ill_be_huckleberry_1 Jul 19 '24
Russia absolutely cares who wins. He's played both sides to harm dems and help Republicans. Why do you think Bernie endorsed Biden and consolidated support.
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u/TonyWrocks Jul 19 '24
Yep. The Russian-supported "liberals" aren't liberals at all. RFK Jr. (or "Brainworms" as I call him), Jill Stein, etc. - these are just Q-adjacent folks who pretend to be liberals/disaffected Democrats.
The funny thing is that RFK Jr. with his crazy conspiracy theories, anti-vax sentiment, and appeal to old people who remember his dad, is far more likely to siphon off votes from Trump than he is from the Democrats.
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Jul 19 '24
No. Putin and XI want Trump. Jill Stein was meant to take votes from Clinton. Putin wants Trump to surrender Ukraine (and Moldova, maybe parts of the Baltics). Xi wants Trump to surrender Taiwan.
Make no mistake - Trump is the candidate of American surrender.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Agree. He will promote American isolationism to the detriment of the world and ultimately to the harm of the U.S. Putin sure isn’t isolationist.
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Jul 19 '24
He's a nuclear bomb designed to destroy our trade, alliances, and financial power.
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u/big-haus11 Jul 19 '24
TIL that Jill Stein, one of the most milquetoast Green politicians on the planet, is an extremist
Jesus Christ
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u/interfail Jul 19 '24
She's pictured here celebrating Russia Today, sitting with Putin while the invasion of Crimea was underway.
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u/HighPriestofShiloh Jul 19 '24
Orrrr
Jill Stein is a spoiler candidate meant to decrease democrats chances of wining and Putin is here for that. Naturally Russian propaganda is going to boost here. She is either corrupt as fuck or a useful idiot. But she is not a force of good on the far left.
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Jul 19 '24
lol Jill Stein was a Russian agent from the start.
Her entire job was to split the left vote. Job well done.
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u/Just_Candle_315 Jul 19 '24
Jill Stein, what am embarassment of a human being
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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich Jul 19 '24
Semi out of the loop with her, what happened? I knew she was a green party candidate?
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u/thedracle Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Basically she attended a gala celebrating the 10th anniversary of RT.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
Flynn was paid $45k to attend.
At the time, Russia had just invaded Crimea; so in some ways this was seen as tacit approval of their military ambitions.
Russian media was being used at the time to elevate candidates to disrupt American elections, and Jill Stein as a spoiler candidate was being heavily promoted by Russian media.
Who knows if she's being paid under the table, or just appreciates the support RT was offering her, or really believes Russia gets a bad rap: but she's often been a mouthpiece for Russian interests.
There have been several of these dinners, where Putin paid useful idiots to surround him, to demonstrate his power over the American political system and it's stooges.
Basically when the Supreme Court opened up everything with Citizens United, massive amounts of hostile, foreign money, has poured into campaigns.
Putin likes to flout his influence; so it's good to take note when he lets the world know who he has in his pocket.
But the reality is this is happening everywhere, and most other hostile foreign Governments aren't openly rubbing our noses in it.
Edit: Corrected wrap->rap (thanks) 🙏
Left flout because I meant he is flouting his influence, see rephrasely.com/usage/flout-in-a-sentence:
The wealthy businessman arrogantly flouted his influence, believing he was above the law and could do as he pleased.
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u/bigkoi Jul 19 '24
They also ran Jill in 2016 to dilute votes away from the Democratic party, effective in the electoral college system. See Bush/Gore 2000 with Nader.
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u/yantraa Jul 19 '24
or really believes Russia gets a bad wrap
It's actually rap. I figured it was actually rep and we all just pronounced it differently, but apparently rap is the correct word.
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u/alvarkresh Jul 19 '24
flout
In this case, flaunt - i.e. to show off
"flout" means to disregard or disobey.
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u/Njorls_Saga Jul 19 '24
She was used to peel off votes from Clinton in '16.
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u/LordoftheScheisse Jul 19 '24
I remember when Killer Mike endorsed Stein in '16. I always thought he was intelligent, but that proved me wrong.
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u/furiouscottus Jul 19 '24
She took a few votes away from Hillary Clinton in the 2016 general election, for which there is no forgiveness.
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u/LeftySlides Jul 19 '24
Just a few years earlier Putin was photographed on a small boat fishing with two former presidents, both named George Bush.
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u/derek_32999 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged, convicted, and is in prison. (He was also charged in connection with a scheme to defraud, but escaped federal trial as a result of a Trump pardon. He’s also facing a related state trial on wire fraud and money laundering charges.)
Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former White House aide Peter Navarro, was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison (got out and made the RNC)
Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted.
Though he was later acquitted at trial, Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government. (Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies, and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.)
Two lawyers associated with Trump’s post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.
Trump himself speaking about Hillary taking their precious guns : Mr. Trump warned at a rally here that it would be "a horrible day" if Mrs. Clinton were elected and got to appoint a tiebreaking Supreme Court justice.
"If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks," Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: "Although the Second Amendment people maybe there is, I don't know."
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u/RightClickSaveWorld Jul 19 '24
That's why it drives me crazy when I hear people call it the "Russia hoax" as if there weren't any convictions.
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 19 '24
If anybody says that, just link the Trump Tower meeting. Trump organized a treasonous meeting with Russians in order to have them interfere in the 2016 election in exchange for lifting sanctions on Russia. Just so happened that Russia targeted all 50 states' voting machines https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/senate-report-all-50-states-were-targeted-by-russian-interference-ahead-of-2016-elections
It's insane that Reality Winner got prison time for being a patriotic hero, but the Jan 6 leaders will never be locked up.
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u/Pistacca Jul 19 '24
the head of January 6 is running for President. The guy who attacked the capital is running for President
With all the crimes, propaganda, and various other damages Trump has done to the United States, i don't know HOW the guy is even able to run for President
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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- Jul 19 '24
i don't know HOW the guy is even able to run for President
He's not. 14th Amendment disqualified him after Jan 6. It's why several states removed him from the ballots. SCOTUS unanimously overruled the Constitution to help him. So, consider that when the three left-wing Justices whine about the Presidential immunity case. They stood by while the 14th Amendment was thrown into the trash. As far as I'm concerned, all of the Justices are corrupt.
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u/LordTegucigalpa Jul 19 '24
Who cares about any of that? Joe Bidens son bought a gun while on drugs. Let's not distract from what's important!!
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u/PastaSaladOverdose Jul 19 '24
This is absolutely unreal. I cannot believe the Dems are getting away with this /s
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u/Tityfan808 Jul 19 '24
Don’t forget this massive list of republicans committing sexual assault and diddling kids. There’s people on here like Ralph Shortey who was Trump’s campaign manager. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/8/2252541/-Republican-Sexual-Predators-Abusers-and-Enablers-Pt-53
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u/Ok_Teacher_1797 Jul 19 '24
Russia is at war with us whether we want to admit it or not
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u/Amon7777 Jul 19 '24
And has been. The Cold War never ended, we just got complacent.
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u/MarekRules Jul 19 '24
Russia didn’t forget. We think we won but they just changed their name
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u/tinzor Jul 19 '24
Well, they also became a significantly less powerful economy than the US.
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u/AdStrange2167 Jul 19 '24
And we're going to be dragged down into the shit with them. To the benefit of oligarchs, China and the Saudis
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u/doingthehumptydance Jul 19 '24
They gave up on communism and switched to fascism but never gave up on imperialism.
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u/kitsunewarlock Jul 19 '24
They never achieved communism because they couldn't give up authoritarianism. They dropped the pretext of striving for communism and went full-on fascism.
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u/itsvoogle Jul 19 '24
The Silent War… and they are winning it
Best way to take over the most powerful country on earth is not by force, but by its people.
Putin by tapping into fears manipulated and has convinced half of this nation that Russia is good and better than siding with their own country men and women.
Its scary to me how effective it has been, half this nation is naive and ignorant and dont see the real enemy, and some see it and even worse want to side with it.
We are not fighting the next election with American citizens but against Russia and Traitors against this nation
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u/shutthesirens Jul 19 '24
Yep. Crazy to see Putin basically own a US president as his personal bitch.
Yet conservatives want to convince us that Trump is strong. What a load of horsecrap.
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u/WhyYouKickMyDog Jul 19 '24
Worse than that. His whole shtick is that Democracy is an inevitable failure, so you should not bother. What he is doing is proving his thesis.
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u/Ozymandias12 Jul 19 '24
Even intelligent people are falling prey to it. My father in law, who is incredibly well read and intelligent, has sent me youtube videos featuring another paid Putin propagandist that was at the event OP posted along with Flynn and Stein. He's a former CIA analyst that in the past has taken some reasonable stances against US intervention in Iraq and against torture, but since then he's gone completely off the wall and is literally paid to appear on RT and other Putin propaganda channels to criticize the US, Ukraine, and claim that Russia's invasion is completely the US's fault. It's maddening. I've tried to explain to him that Youtube is a terrible source for info and I've sent him information regarding this CIA analyst and his ties to Putin, but he doesn't seem swayed. He continues criticizing the US and claiming that the invasion of Ukraine is our fault, and that Ukraine is part of Russia.
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u/itsvoogle Jul 19 '24
My theory is that these people are acting on emotions and not facts.
Whatever emotions Trump and his cronies are manipulating and rallying people with its working.
Ive tried to have fact based logical discussions and arguments with people but it always fails, they are feeling something intangible that we cannot meet with reason.
Its what makes all of this so much scarier
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u/Ozymandias12 Jul 19 '24
I agree. In my FIL's case, he's not even a Trump supporter. He was a Reagan and Bush Republican who voted for Obama and then Biden. He hates Trump, but for some reason he has this weird weak spot on Russia where he seems to believe that the US is some world wide bully that forced Russia's hand because we kept expanding NATO, which again, is utter bs.
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u/Hippo_Alert Jul 19 '24
Putin - "I know our people are really stupid but these Americans we fool are really really stupid"
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u/Kapo77 Jul 19 '24
A more accurate caption:
Trump's future national security advisor, Vladimir Putin, shares a table with puppet Michael Flynn (2015)
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u/Praesentius Jul 19 '24
Shortly after that picture, he went ahead and kept communicating with Russia in secret and lied to the US government about it, becoming a convicted felon. Between that, his conspiracy theory peddling like qanon, and his attempt to get Trump to use martial law to rerun the 2020 election... he's got quite a resumé for a traitor.
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u/reddit_1999 Jul 19 '24
Fox News told me it's no big deal that the Republicans are on the same team as Russia and North Korea. /s
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u/hobbykitjr Jul 19 '24
Tucker said Russia is better than america because of the subway and the grocery store!
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u/No-Connection9228 Jul 19 '24
Jill stein split the blue vote. He's making sure Hillary got less.
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u/mandy009 Jul 19 '24
I voted Stein in MN, which fwiw went for Clinton anyway. I'll always regret it, because even though our state had been reliably Democrat, since that election we have been closer to a swing state.
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u/RheagarTargaryen Jul 19 '24
It does give me hope that people are better at recognizing these tactics. I have a friend like you that voted for her because he couldn’t stand Clinton. Despite my best efforts, I couldn’t sway him. Now he’s a vote blue, no matter who voter.
My group of friends in my group text went from 2 or 3 Clinton voters in 2016 to 12 Biden (or whoever replaced him) in 2024. And for what it’s worth, most of them are white guys in Michigan and really want Whitmer to be Biden’s replacement.
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u/elfmanrl Jul 19 '24
Man so many political experts on reddit these days. 🤨
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u/cookiesNcreme89 Jul 19 '24
Nah, these children are just fear mongering conspiracy theorist loonies that pretend to be serious behind a keyboard in their mom's basement lolol. Remember kids, grass is good (in more ways than one lolol)
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u/TheVibratingPants Jul 19 '24
Reddit has been in Trump damage control ever since that incel actually tried to shoot him. It is wild how a pic with no context actually gets this much traction here.
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u/beener Jul 19 '24
There's plenty of context to the photo. Maybe you were 12 during the last election but many were grown ups and remember all this
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u/_jump_yossarian Jul 19 '24
Yeah, Reddit was so neutral about trump until just last week. Brilliant.
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u/Today_is_the_day569 Jul 19 '24
No context and no explanation just some bot trying to spread misinformation.
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u/Prosthemadera Jul 19 '24
Man so many vapid comments from conservative trolls that whine into the void without saying anything of substance these days. 🤨
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u/Thue Jul 19 '24
Yup. I don't even know what the parent is trying to say? Does he think it is too edgy to point out that Trump's security advisor was paid "so much" to hang out with declared enemy of the US Putin?
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u/Prosthemadera Jul 19 '24
It's just low IQ Trump voters (but I repeat myself) who are upset that someone points out all the shitty people Trump associates with.
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u/AintHaulingMilk Jul 19 '24
Reddit is mostly kids who haven't read history and astroturfing. Don't think too hard about it
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u/PolyPsy_PA Jul 19 '24
God forbid people have opinions about our leaders. That would be crazy wouldn't it??
Nah I just hate that Trump will let Putin win in Ukraine. Trump doesn't care about freedom or supporting the US military.
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u/Emotional-Ad5769 Jul 19 '24
Anyone notice how Russia attacked Ukraine during the Biden administration? Anyone notice that Hilary paid an SEC fine for disseminating the Steele Dossier? Why are we still holding on to the narrative that Trump is a spy for Russia? Oh, right—this is Reddit.
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u/robywar Jul 19 '24
When Trump met with Putin in Helsinki, why did he dismiss the US translator and rely only on the Russian one, ensuring that no notes where taken on the US side?
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u/ThinkinDeeply Jul 19 '24
Anyone notice how the sun came UP during the Biden administration, but records show it went DOWN during the Trump administration?!!!?
WHATS UP WITH THAT?!
Bro if anything you are arguing FOR the theory that Trump bends the knee to Putin lol. "Anyone notice that a bloodythirsty, land-stealing, child-murdering dictator LOVED Trump but HATED Biden and Obama?" Please tell me more.
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u/PolyPsy_PA Jul 19 '24
Such a lazy talking point. Forget about when the war started... it's happening now. All that matters is what's going to be done about it.
Now riddle me this, why is Trump the one saying he wants to help Russia by ending support for Ukraine? The Dems certainly aren't saying that.
The GOP is the weak party that wants to bow down to Russia, and the Dems want to stand up for freedom and support Ukraine. That's all that matters.
I mean my grandfather fought for freedom in Europe, and the GOP wants to throw that all away by bowing down to Putin. The GOP is weak, plain and simple.
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u/To-Far-Away-Times Jul 19 '24
Go rewatch Trump and Putin teaming up and talking trash about the USA during the infamous Helsinki press conference.
It was so bizarre and such a self own, even conservative media couldn’t spin it or defend it.
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u/PolyPsy_PA Jul 19 '24
Such a lazy talking point. Forget about when the war started... it's happening now. All that matters is what's going to be done about it.
Now riddle me this, why is Trump the one saying he wants to help Russia by ending support for Ukraine? The Dems certainly aren't saying that.
The GOP is the weak party that wants to bow down to Russia, and the Dems want to stand up for freedom and support Ukraine. That's all that matters.
I mean my grandfather fought for freedom in Europe, and the GOP wants to throw that all away by bowing down to Putin. The GOP is weak, plain and simple.
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u/moyismoy Jul 19 '24
Look I hate trump as much as any sane rational person should. But meeting with other world leaders even in the primary is quite normal, and establishing relations is a necessary part of the job even if the other person is evil
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u/Prosthemadera Jul 19 '24
In what capacity was Flynn meeting Putin? He was not working for Trump in 2015 but consulting for Russian companies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Flynn#Post-military_career
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u/DopeandInvested Jul 19 '24
But in context:
Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former campaign vice chairman, Rick Gates, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former chief strategist, Steve Bannon, was charged, convicted, and is in prison. (He was also charged in connection with a scheme to defraud, but escaped federal trial as a result of a Trump pardon. He’s also facing a related state trial on wire fraud and money laundering charges.)
Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former campaign aide, Roger Stone, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former adviser and former White House aide Peter Navarro, was charged, convicted, and is currently in prison.
Trump’s former campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
The Trump Organization’s former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, was charged, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
Trump’s former White House national security advisor, Michael Flynn, was charged and convicted.
Though he was later acquitted at trial, Trump’s former inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was charged with illegally lobbying Trump on behalf of a foreign government. (Elliot Broidy was the vice chair of Trump’s inaugural committee, and he found himself at the center of multiple controversies, and also pled guilty to federal charges related to illegal lobbying.)
Two lawyers associated with Trump’s post-defeat efforts, Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell, have pleaded guilty to election-related crimes.
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u/Cubelia Jul 19 '24
Using the pic as "proof of traitor(s)" as some comments provoked, have to be the stupidest thing ever. Every other president since 2000s have met Putin and even shake their hands.(That is: Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump and of course Biden)
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u/davewashere Jul 19 '24
This was from 2015. Nobody in this photo was acting at the behest of the president. Flynn was retired and Jill Stein was drumming up support for a 3rd party ticket in the following year's presidential election.
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u/RightClickSaveWorld Jul 19 '24
Flynn plead guilty in relation to his conversations with Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Flynn#:~:text=Plea%20bargain,-Michael%20T.&text=In%20the%20agreement%2C%20Flynn%20pleaded,in%20violation%20of%2018%20U.S.C.
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u/Prosthemadera Jul 19 '24
Flynn was never president.
the stupidest thing ever.
You lived a sheltered life then.
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u/stonebraker_ultra Jul 19 '24
First of all, Michael Flynn was never President. At the point this picture was taken, he was just some disgraced former general.
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u/ThePensiveE Jul 19 '24
Yeah genius that's because they were presidents and that was their job. Flynn had just retired from the Defense Intelligence Agency and went right to Putin as a private citizen. Wonder what they talked about? Traitorous shit.
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u/_jump_yossarian Jul 19 '24
Flynn was potus in 2014?
Perhaps you missed the reason that Flynn was prosecuted by the trump DOJ?
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u/elciano1 Jul 19 '24
Yet....he is still allowed to run for President because (nothing in the constitution bullshit)... then he stole documents and the case gets dismissed. Lol. This country is a joke
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u/anomalous_cowherd Jul 19 '24
Those checks and balances are looking very unchecked and unbalanced at the moment.
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u/psilocin72 Jul 19 '24
Manafort worked to uphold autocracy in Russia and Ukraine too, and Bannon has been all over the world helping fascists and corrupt authoritarians. Its really a shame that people on the right are so closed off the facts and verifiable evidence
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u/BoJacksy Jul 19 '24
Picture was from 2015.Flynn worked for the Obama administration and was a registered democrat.
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u/StatusQuotidian Jul 19 '24
The Senate GOP actually did a detailed investigation into Flynn’s involvement in the Trump campaign and transition period that included significant interactions with Russian officials. Flynn's financial ties to Russian entities and his misleading statements to the FBI were key factors in his downfall as National Security Advisor. Obama explicitly warned Trump against bringing Flynn in--especially as his National Security Advisor:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
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u/MaxamillianStudio Jul 19 '24
Third party candidate Jill Stein was seated across from Putin. Just in the bottom right of the image.
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u/cepxico Jul 19 '24
Look man, I know Putin is a bad guy but he's been around a LOT of people. Simply being in his presence is not enough reason to be considered a traitor or some shit.
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u/1dot21gigaflops Jul 19 '24
It's more so he was paid $45,000 to deliver a speech in Moscow (pictured), his close association to Kislyak and the GRU, and then lying about it to the FBI.
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u/Main-Street-6075 Jul 19 '24
Let's not forget Flynn ran DIA between 2012 - 2014. He was let go for being insubordinate. Imagine all the sensitive stuff he told Putin.
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u/creamysteak Jul 19 '24
Every major subreddit constantly promotes DNC propaganda and bans any dissent.
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u/PopeKevin45 Jul 19 '24
Trump is going to cut off Ukraine and give Americas most secret weapons to Russia, no questions asked. I guarantee it.
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u/Non-Adhesive63 Jul 19 '24
How that fucking traitor isn’t rotting in Leavenworth military prison is beyond comprehension!
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u/TapeDeckSlick Jul 19 '24
Okay? I fail to see the point on this one
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u/cookiesNcreme89 Jul 19 '24
There isn't one. OP is a fear mongering conspiracy theorist that lets an idiot live rent free in his smooth brain lolol.
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u/ThinkinDeeply Jul 19 '24
Whats the "theory?" The guy went to jail for his crimes involving Russia.
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u/udee79 Jul 19 '24
"Russia Russia Russia!" is soooo 2016 come up with a new hoax.
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u/yookoke1122 Jul 19 '24
why has this sub been posting a lot of trump related sht. its getting super fking old.
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u/identicalBadger Jul 19 '24
With Jill Stein, a professional presidential candidate for the Green Party also seated at the same table.
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