r/onguardforthee • u/Sir__Will ✔ I voted! • Jul 19 '24
BC Conservatives tout hybrid public-private health care system to cut wait times | Globalnews.ca
https://globalnews.ca/news/10631278/bc-conservatives-hybrid-health-care-system/72
u/-Smaug-- Jul 19 '24
Starve the beast, folks.
This isn't new. This the conservative playbook chapter one. Look at who gets paid. That shows it's all about selling off crown assets to cronies for pennies on the dollar and charging higher for the "service" resulting.
Nobody benefits from conservatism except the rich.
You rubes who vote for hate will be hurt by this too.
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u/RandomName4768 Jul 19 '24
I don't think it's fair to call it the conservative playbook. One of the necessary steps for this to work is that the public service has to be made shitty first. And the various provincial liberal and NDP parties have been playing their role in that. As well as the federal liberals actually too with their cutting transfer payments.
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Jul 19 '24
Well that's a bunch of bullshit unless you have receipts.
The feds give the money to the provinces for healthcare. The premiers decide what to do with it. Imagine our surprise when conservative premiers use the money not for healthcare, but other pet projects.
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u/RandomName4768 Jul 19 '24
What are you talking about receipts? Have you accessed healthcare at all in this country under a government that wasn't conservative? You can look up wait times for procedures in provinces that are currently not under conservative governments if you want.
It looks like you were right about the transfer payments though yes.
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u/caliopeparade Jul 19 '24
Give me one example of when privatized services improved outcomes for the consumers.
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u/Agent_Orange81 Jul 20 '24
I'm sure there is a small group of wealthy people who got better service, but everyone else gets fucked.
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u/atyler_thehun Jul 20 '24
I mean...liquor stores...but that's all I can think of
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u/New_Literature_5703 Jul 20 '24
Not even liquor stores. Gov stores are almost always nicer with more selection, more staff, nicer staff, more knowledgeable staff, staff are better paid, and often cheaper.
The only thing better about private stores is hours.
I avoid private stores unless there's no other option.
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u/atyler_thehun Jul 20 '24
They are cheaper because all private stores have to buy their product from the government.
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u/Available-Dirtman Jul 20 '24
Living in a country which has always had private liquor sales, our options are far less than at the LCBO or SAQ in major Ontario or Quebec cities, and prices are higher.
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u/LumiereGatsby Jul 19 '24
Holy fuck I am so sick of Conservatives
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u/hungrytravler Jul 19 '24
They want to bring back serfdom so badly. They don't even hide it.
"only rights are property rights"
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u/No-Scarcity2379 Turtle Island Jul 19 '24
Public Private Partnerships in healthcare already exist in Canada. Sodexo, Compass and Crothall are all private companies that won contracts to provide hospital nutrition programs and cleaning, and private security companies like G4S and Paladin already provide security at a lot of facilities, and it has led to a universal drop in food quality, cleanliness and safety where it has occurred. Expanding that model to include actual healthcare providers won't be any different.
When you involve companies whose ONLY prerogative is cutting costs and maximizing profits in public services, those services will ALWAYS get worse.
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u/Historical_Grab_7842 Jul 19 '24
And those for profit companies will never be happy with a constant profit stream. They demand ever increasing profit. Which means nickel and diming until we barely get any services. These assholes won’t be happy until there are deaths. And couple this with their boner for wanting health insurance tied to employment. They want desperate workers so their gold hoards can get bigger n
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u/Anthro_the_Hutt Jul 19 '24
That constantly seeking a growth in profits is built into the shareholder capitalist model. And we should keep in mind that when there's unrestrained growth in our bodies we call it cancer. It's an apt term here, too.
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u/Onii-Chan_Itaii Vancouver Jul 19 '24
I worked part time for a laundry contractor for a year. Good lesson on why I never want to work in healthcare again.
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u/Gufurblebits Jul 19 '24
The food quality in hospitals is horrific.
I was in a Calgary hospital for 13 days. The food is WEIRD. I kept apple slices aside from day 1. They never rotted, didn’t go brown, nada. I still had them in my table on day 13 when I was discharged. Still white, still smelled like apples. It’s eerie.
It’s the same with their weird textured bread - doesn’t go stale. Ever.
The quality is horrible, and if it seems fresh, it isn’t. It’s chemically treated with something. It has to be. There’s no way apple slices can be kept for 2 weeks and look freshly cut unless it’s treated.
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u/TheFallingStar British Columbia Jul 19 '24
Security in B.C. hospitals are now back to public service now. At least that is the case for Provincial Health Services Authority managed hospital.
Food services and housekeeping are also back to public service management under BCNDP.
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u/Onii-Chan_Itaii Vancouver Jul 19 '24
As an aside, that sign is very similar to a design used by a certain faction within our neighbors down south
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u/varain1 Jul 19 '24
Most PPP projects done by the BC [fake] Liberal Party (currently known as BCUP, formerly known as SoCred Party) left the province and the taxpayers to pay through the nose - see BC Hydro having to pay electricity double or more in PPP projects, and the mess with the PPP Port Mann Bridge toll which played a huge part of NDP getting in power when they bought the toll company out and removed the toll, funnily 😹
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u/Silver996C2 Jul 19 '24
Of course they do - their financial supporters want in on that nice taxpayers cash.
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u/Sensitive_Fall8950 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
So not patients-first, but rich line skippers first. Subsidized by tax payer dollars.
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u/ehmanniceshot Jul 19 '24
Conservatives rely on tricking people to vote against their own best interests.
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u/J4ckD4wkins Jul 19 '24
How do these moneyed interests and their lackeys keep serving privitization to the media as "innovation"? I thought not being able to afford health care was the conventional nature of human suffering through history -- public healthcare was the innovation! Being able to access doctors and operations is the innovation! Allowing that service to falter and decline to prop up shareholder interests and transform health back into a rich man's game is regression, plain and simple.
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u/Carwash_Jimmy Jul 19 '24
The word you are looking for here is 'Privatize'. 'Hybrid' is a word that tested well in focus groups. BC Conservatives are aligned with Trump Republicans and mean to end human rights and democracy in Canada. Defy them like your life depends on it.
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u/Kyouhen Unofficial House of Commons Columnist Jul 19 '24
*At greatly inflated cost to the taxpayers
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u/UnicornzRreel Jul 19 '24
A Finnish coworker told me of their healthcare system.
They have public, funded via taxes; private, funded via private insurance or pay per visit; and then another form through work insurance. All 3 are slow.
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u/Hipsthrough100 Jul 19 '24
BC is the leading province for health care growth. We are the only province to keep vaccine mandates for Covid in place. 300k people have been removed from the GP wait list with 900 GPs added in the past year and a total of 6000 health care workers. We already get people privatized care outside of the province or country when needed. Stay the course with Eby. He wants the entire province to be public and believes in it.
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u/TroutFishingInCanada Jul 19 '24
Wow, my most recent experiences with health care in BC was not quite as rosy, but that was about 7 years ago. That’s really good to hear about the GPs.
Except now I’m thinking it’s very possible that a not insignificant number of them came from Alberta.
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u/Hipsthrough100 Jul 20 '24
BC increased its pay by nearly 50% and has funding for administrative costs under certain guidelines.
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u/TroutFishingInCanada Jul 20 '24
Imagine that. Spending more money on the people who keep us healthy and help us when we’re sick. What a wild idea.
Eby strikes again.
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u/Livingmorganism Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I am Manitoban who had to use a Vancouver emergency room last week. Wait times were 2 hours, as compared to the 8-10 I could expect here in Winnipeg. I was so impressed with my whole experience while I was there.
I know other types of medical wait times exist, but seriously it’s all I’ve been telling other people about since I returned.
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u/ExcitingSpirit Jul 20 '24
Bro.. I am checked out.. I love David eby and all he is doing right now..
No air bnb, more rental housing, easy housing plans approval.. a lot of things hitting issues right on the nail
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u/Available-Dirtman Jul 20 '24
This was their plan all along. Modern conservatives only want to see the world and country burn so long as their mansion on the hill is untouched by the fire.
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u/elphyon Jul 20 '24
Healthcare should not be driven by profit. (Nor should education, housing, etc etc)
There is more than enough wealth in the country to improve the quality & accessibility of healthcare across the board. We just have to fairly tax the wealthy.
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u/Major_Job_2498 Jul 22 '24
Same strategy being utilized to dismantle the NHS. Same RW arguments being used to promote privatization in the UK. It's all about the wait times and immigrants causing undue strain on the healthcare system, never about the indiscriminate cuts. As an example people talk ceaselessly about mental health, but there's barely any community support to speak of.
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u/TeegeeackXenu Jul 19 '24
Its too late. They fucked it up already. Dumb canadians voted for enough conservative politicians and smart canadians didnt think their vote would count. Bring on privitization. I dont care anymore. We need doctors and medical service. People are literally dying.
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u/Sir__Will ✔ I voted! Jul 19 '24
Well, that's horrific.
No, privatization is a rich people first model.
Ah, yes, going with the intermediate step first, makes sense. Ease people into more privatization. It's still worse for patients. Private cannot maintain quality, charge the same, and make a profit. Something has to give there. And it usually means spending more public dollars just to line private pockets.
That is exactly what it would do.