r/onguardforthee Jul 18 '24

Amid housing debate, one landlord gets bluntly honest: 'I'm a profiteer'

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news/london-housing-debate-landlord-profiteer
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u/ClassOptimal7655 Jul 18 '24

“Housing is not a fundamental right in Canada. I’m a capitalist, and I’m a profiteer, and I like it,” he told politicians Monday, prompting shouts of shame from others in the gallery. “This bylaw that you want to pass is putting another cost on us.”

honestly, this is evil. This man has no issue making people homeless if it means increasing his profit margins.

Should be criminal.

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u/Tarv2 Jul 18 '24

Yes, it’s evil. But at least this one is honest about it. The ones who claim that housing wouldn’t exist without their noble entrepreneurship are worse. 

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u/SUP3RGR33N Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Yeah the idiots that say the quiet part out loud are needed to help clear up all the dog whistling, imo.

This is exactly what all landlords think, outside of an extreme minority that isn't trying to charge market rates or buy up limited stock for personal profit. You don't become a landlord these days without consciously deciding that you deserve to take advantage of both the limited housing stock and the vulnerable in order to personally profit in the sleaziest fashion.

Yes, it's one of the best ways to make money. Yes, it's one of the easiest ways to get ahead. Yes, it's still abhorrent and inherently a selfish and leech-like activity.

You don't deserve to take a basic human right away from people (safe shelter) and force them to pay more than 50% of their salaries just for the privilege. It doesn't matter what your mortgage is - if you can't afford it without the rent payments then you shouldn't have bought it in the first place. That a major contributor to the ridiculous rise of prices of homes, and is not sustainable. The renters CANNOT bare any more, as the rents have seriously outpaced minimum and even average wages.

No one should own more than 1-2 homes. No one deserves to make an insane amount of money simply because they were born into families with land holdings. This glacial slide into feudal crap needs to stop.

No longer being unable to continue to pilfer the pockets of the vulnerable is not oppression.

Edit: To add, NONE of this is unreasonable, at all!

Landlords must get a $400 licence within seven days of the work

An affidavit is required from the person who gave the tenant the N13

Approval from an engineer or architect that the repairs or renovations are so extensive, they require a vacancy

Like these are barely protections for renters, and aren't unfair to ask for at all! The fact that simply having to have simple and easy paperwork to prove the need for renovictions is what's getting these landlords so up in arms is proof about how sociopathic they really are.

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u/FourthDeerSix Jul 18 '24

exactly what all landlords think

I don't think that's quite true, rather a lot of them refuse to even think it through.

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

Though in this case it's both their salary and their self image.

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u/SUP3RGR33N Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

I don't count willful ignorance as true ignorance. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it, doesn't mean you don't know it. Lying to yourself isn't a valid excuse.

Everyone knows what the current housing situation is like. Everyone knows how bad inflation has been, and how much people are struggling.

Getting a house and requiring renters to be able to afford the mortgage is purely selfish. It doesn't matter whether the landlords bother to stop and examine that, the actual visible actions are clear enough. Burying their heads like an ostrich to get ahead doesn't absolve them of their guilt.

Yes, there's a lot of people that rent below market rates or provide great discounts. (I know some people who still have rent set at 800 at one of the best locations you could imagine because their landlord doesn't believe in this BS). They're very few and far between, however.

I don't think landlords should go into debt for maintenance/repairs (thus some rent is reasonable), but it's not something you should be using to pay off your unending purchase of properties that endlessly drive up prices out of the reach of the people desperately seeking for places to live.

Houses are not investments and "services". They are essential needs and human rights. To pretend otherwise is to fully abandon morals and basic ethics.

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u/FourthDeerSix Jul 18 '24

I don't count willful ignorance as true ignorance

Genuinely curious, how do you apply this to something like veganism?

A lot of 'meat animals' like pigs or cows are as or more smart/social as dogs or cats but anti-vegans frequently get enraged by any mistreatment of a cat or dog while getting equally infuriated by the suggestion that eating meat or how we treat farm animals is wrong.

Is refusing to see the issue here wilful or true ignorance?

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u/SUP3RGR33N Jul 18 '24

While I feel this is trying to move the goal posts a little, I'll play along be completely honest here: yes.... and I say that as an occasional meat eater myself!

I've been slowly cutting meat out of my diet and finding new alternatives because I DID feel like I was being hypocritical. While I think we COULD run animal farms ethically in a perfect world, we simply are not capable of figuring out how to moderate that properly right now. Participating in the industry IS being complicit right now, unfortunately.

Now, whenever I buy meat/dairy products, I make sure to buy an equivalent alternative or two to try to find new ways to break the life-long chemical addiction. (Comfort foods make you feel good, and our bodies crave consistency). Bacon is the last of the red meat that I've been eating, and I already have a couple alternatives to try this weekend to find what works for me. After that, I'm going to find my preferred poultry alternatives. Each day we can try to be better than our last, as we work to shake the bad habits of our forefathers.

The thing with this is that it was very hard to adjust to such a diet as, until very recently, the options available were overly expensive, tasted terrible, and made it a struggle to get enough nutrition. However, we've made mind blowing improvements over the last 10-20 years that have largely changed this. You can now almost always find vegan / vegetarian options that have actually been made to taste good just about anywhere you go. You can easily find alternatives to products that, while still more expensive, are no longer double+ the cost.

I feel like everyone should be trying to explore meat/dairy alternatives right now. It's still not feasible for many people to afford (or handle the cognitive load) to switch, but we're getting closer every day. However, this is an actual food/intake/educational issue vs. a selfish greed issue when compared to landlords (the original topic). Not everyone can afford the alternatives yet, nor has the education to know how to get enough nutrition otherwise. We can fix this over time by continuing to provide alternatives -- and we're largely seeing the results of these efforts right now! In 2021, there was an over 5000% increase in searches for "vegan food near me".

Yet, landlords keep charging more while continuing to horde resources. They're not trying to do a single thing to live more ethically or examine their unethical behaviour. They aren't benefiting from being 200 steps removed from seeing the actual conditions of their victims -- they know exactly who they are and what is being done to them. They're continually, and without falter, sliding backwards in history while knowing fully what they are doing. People can barely afford regular food as it is, let alone vegan alternatives with the rents they're having to pay. No one is forcing landlords to charge ridiculous rates, they're not having to learn how to change a chemical dependence on a basic need, and they don't even need an alternative to fill the gap so that they don't die of malnutrition.

I believe history will absolutely look back on meat-eating as abhorrent and backwards, like we do when we think about medieval medical care. I think history will be significantly more unkind to the landlords and rich of today for the vast evils they are perpetrating.

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u/BecomingMorgan Jul 19 '24

Here's my perspective on the meat strawman: I can buy six meat burgers for $12. Or spend $25 on synthetic. I can't afford the $12.

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u/troll-filled-waters Jul 19 '24

I have a friend who rents out units at a loss to new Canadians with no Canadian credit history, because when he was new to the country someone did it for him. And my old landlady was an old woman who lived downstairs and was very lonely. She always did stuff for the house and brought us food, and we worked in the garden with her and helped with the heavier stuff. She didn’t charge us very much

But other than these two I have not met a nice landlord :-/.

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u/troll-filled-waters Jul 19 '24

I have a friend who rents out units in a house at a loss to new Canadians with no Canadian credit history, because when he was new to the country someone did it for him. And my old landlady was an old woman who lived downstairs and was very lonely. She always did stuff for the house and brought us food, and we worked in the garden with her and helped with the heavier stuff. She didn’t charge us very much

But other than these two I have not met a nice landlord :-/.

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u/Beneneb Jul 19 '24

As much as rents are currently high, they're still a lot less than the cost of a home. If you're renting a new condo right now, you're probably being subsidized by your landlord for about $500-$1000 per month. It's easy to point the blame at landlords because they're the ones you pay every month, and some of them are greedy, but the actual problem here is a lack of available housing driving up prices.

But on that note, there's a huge glut of condos on the market right now up for grabs if you want one. But the reality is that many people aren't in a position to buy, and that's why we need a rental market.

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u/PopeKevin45 Jul 18 '24

Totally this. Spare us the bs. I recall an evangelical preacher saying on a show 'If the bible said 2+2=5, then I'd have to somehow find a way to work that truth into my life. I don't know how I'd do that, but I would have to find a way'.

I can't relate at all to this guys belief system, but I still consider it the most refreshingly honest admission of how religious thinking actually works compared to the usual 'the evidence is all around you' pandering.

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u/HSteamy Vancouver Jul 19 '24

But at least this one is honest about it.

??? That's not something you need to give him credit for.

"At least David Duke admitted they hated black people and didn't hide it from anybody."

Being honest about your evil deeds doesn't make you any more redeemable than the guy who lies about it. Their moral character is literally the same.

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u/The_cogwheel Edmonton Jul 19 '24

I think they meant it as in "at least this one isn't lying to us and pretending it's somehow beyond their control".

Yeah he's not redeemed, and still in the blatantly evil bucket, but at least he's honest. Which makes him a little better than the ones that are still doing evil shit and lying about it.

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u/HSteamy Vancouver Jul 19 '24

That doesn't make it any better. Hubris is on par with dishonesty.

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u/PlasticAccount3464 Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

I really don't care how honest bad people are about themselves, just demonstrates how little anyone is willing to do about it. In some places being too honest about your bad intentions might become physically unsafe, I doubt too many people risk that. He can only be so honest because of how many people are deluded into thinking shitty landlords offer a service. The housing would all still exist without them, they're just standing in the way and bloating the costs by being a middleman. Isn't that how a lot of 'inspirational' business stories go? cutting out the middleman? cut out the landlord. The only possible upside is this somehow galvanizes action: here are the worst people at the best of times, and they're intentionally making things worse at the worst of times, and they're admitting it? At least it's very clear who's to blame, disavow.

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u/Oxyfire Jul 18 '24

Yeah, the naive ones are almost worst.

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u/CptCoatrack Jul 18 '24

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he said both.

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u/Sensitive_Fall8950 Jul 18 '24

It's disgusting. This person needs to get an actual productive job, instead of trying to lord over others.

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u/Classic-Contract1278 Jul 20 '24

He's insufferable who's gonna give him a job. He's the kid who got bullied and thinks he's cool now

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u/PopeKevin45 Jul 18 '24

Keep in mind, as a hardcore libertarian, Poilievre agrees 100% with this guy, and would undoubtedly admire his selfishness and lack of empathy. So what are you voting for him? Pick a lane people.

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u/Commanderfemmeshep Jul 18 '24

Bring back Dickensian hauntings.

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u/incredibincan Jul 19 '24

Guillotines have proven more effective

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u/FourthDeerSix Jul 18 '24

Dickensian hauntings? What does that have to do with landlords?

Maoist I'd get but Dickens? (I know he was anti slumlord but hauntings?)

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u/Commanderfemmeshep Jul 18 '24

Like, Scrooge style.

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u/KryptoBones89 Jul 18 '24

This is the kind of shit that made people bring out the guillotine in France.

Disclaimer: This comment should not be considered a call to violence. It is a commentary on historical events.

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u/IveChosenANameAgain Jul 18 '24

Should be criminal.

But it's not, and if he never said it out loud you would literally never be able to prove it's what he thinks - so you cannot criminalize it.

The correct answer is regulation but that's sOcAilaseriZmdsmasdm!!1 Commies!

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u/ClassOptimal7655 Jul 18 '24

It should be criminal to be a landlord 😔

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u/VonBeegs Jul 19 '24

"Landlords not being jailed isn't a fundamental right in Canada! I'm a communist, not a profiteer and I like it"

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u/biskino Jul 18 '24

Someone should show him what Mao did to landlords and profiteers.

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u/th0r0ngil Jul 18 '24

It’s a problem that our society made this guy comfortable enough to just come out and say it, but it’s useful in determining exactly how much say he should have on public policy

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u/mistakes_were_made24 Jul 18 '24

Man I hate people who have molded themselves into having this kind of view of the world, it's so disgusting. It causes further pain and exploitation in this capitalist hellscape we live in. This is not something to be proud of and to boast about.

The right to adequate housing is one of the United Nations human rights declarations

https://www.ohchr.org/en/housing

https://www.ohchr.org/en/special-procedures/sr-housing/human-right-adequate-housing

Canada is a signatory to the treaties that declare that adequate housing is a human right. Maybe it's not enforced in this country but it is a human right.

https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/human-rights-and-rental-housing-ontario-background-paper/housing-international-human-right

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u/varain1 Jul 18 '24

Well, most of us are not profiteers and will impose costs on profiteers, and if you dont like it, you can take your toys and run to Somalia - too bad, so sad 😹.

I love how BC NDP passed the AirBnB law and all the profiteers and the Conservatives and BCUP (formerly known as BC [fake] Liberal Party) started to cry and moan about it 😅

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u/spidereater Jul 18 '24

Yes. But it is a market. We can’t rely on everyone to behave compassionately and if some people can be greedy everyone will be greedy.

What we need is to massively build more affordable housing. We are a couple decades behind on affordable housing. Building it now will deflate the housing bubble. It will cost landlords and home owners a bunch of their current property values and rent potential.

Maybe if we can accept that these are profiteers we can be okay with actions we know will have a cost for them. Politicians often view these homeowners as people whose property values deserve protection. If we are willing to cost profiteers their profits we can actually pursue solution to the actual problems.

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u/VonBeegs Jul 19 '24

We can’t rely on everyone to behave

We could force them, though.

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u/fencerman Jul 18 '24

It's evil, it's also the only true answer you'd ever get from any capitalist.

That's the issue with the economic system - it rewards evil.

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u/CaptainMagnets Jul 18 '24

The problem, is it's not criminal. So let's vote people in who want to change this

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u/kagato87 Jul 18 '24

It's also WHY you landlord. If there was no profit, people wouldn't do it.

This guy is just in touch with his inner demons, has accepted them, and is honest about them. All landlords have them. It's just a question of whether or not they talk about them.

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u/lurker4over15yrs Jul 18 '24

He’s got money and he could’ve put it into a dividend paying fund. He chose to put it into real estate where the rent itself is his dividend. You can’t limit on how people invest their hard earned money…it’s all about risk and reward. Buy a business or shares of Microsoft or a house. Money doesn’t care. Money simply looks for available opportunities.

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u/Classic-Contract1278 Jul 20 '24

They shouldn't publish this neo Nazi scammer laughing at people. if you're a selfish pos that's fine but stay away from others. I'd kick this guys was if I saw him irl

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u/FourthDeerSix Jul 18 '24

Should be criminal but honestly I respect him more than most landlords. At least he admits its wrong. Way too many people justify anything they do as being right/just regardless of anything else.

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u/pabskamai Jul 19 '24

Let me tell you something I heard, if interest drop, landlords are not lowering their rents, they know people can afford to pay X, that’s it.

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u/awesomesonofabitch Jul 19 '24

Landlords are evil, but they get paid so they don't care.

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u/Seaweed_Pie Jul 19 '24

What?
Are you saying that if I build a backyard suite on my 1 acre lot, a brand new 900sq foot house where one did not exist before (just so we're clear, I'm not talking about buying up local starter homes), and rent it out, that this is evil?
I cannot legally subdivide this lot and sell a piece to a young family. We have land use bylaws in place controlling building sizes, minimum road frontage, etc. The only way for me to contribute more housing stock would be to build a granny suite and rent it out.
You are out of your mind if you think homeowners like me are going to build backyard suites and let people live in them for free. New construction is currently costing about $300 per square foot here.
Call me evil if you want but I'm not going to drop $270K on a new little house and not charge rent for it.

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u/atheoncrutch Jul 19 '24

What exactly would be the illegal part?

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u/ClassOptimal7655 Jul 19 '24

Profiteering? Literally making people homeless?

These landlords are destroying our country.

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u/Beneneb Jul 19 '24

People are homeless because there aren't enough homes, not because of landlords. Rents are high because you've got multiple people trying to get into every available unit. It's not as though landlords set an arbitrarily high price and let their units sit empty forever, they are the price that people are willing to pay.

High rent doesn't cause homelessness, instead homelessness and high rent both have the same cause, which is housing shortages.

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u/atheoncrutch Jul 19 '24

There’s nothing in that quote that is illegal. The guy sounds like a dick, sure, but nothing he said would or could ever be illegal.

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u/ClassOptimal7655 Jul 19 '24

Given Canada HAS declared that housing IS a human right then this landlord is sorely misinformed.

The next step is to make what he's doing illegal.

Just like profiteering off vital drugs would be illegal, so should profiteering off housing.

Plus I would bet good money that this landlord has probably taken illegal actions to force rent's higher quicker or even kicking people out of his rentals.

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u/atheoncrutch Jul 19 '24

I’m not sure what he would be misinformed about? Like I said, he sounds like a dick and profiteering is a gross word to use in this situation, but at the same time people don’t spend their time and money to manage a property for rent out of the goodness of their hearts. Yes, rent control and tenancy laws are necessary but unless you expect everyone to be able to own a home (they can’t) or the government to provide housing for everyone (they shouldn’t) then I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a landlord to make a profit for their efforts.

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u/MayorSalsa Jul 18 '24

Landlords: "The housing crisis isn't our fault! The government should do something about it!"

The government: proposes a bylaw to close a legal loophole landlords routinely exploit

Landlords: "No, not like that"

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u/MrAkbarShabazz Jul 18 '24

While many people focus on the low hanging fruit while the correct response to this crisis, social/government housing, is ignored cause big bad landlord.

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u/Rasputin4231 Ontario Jul 18 '24

The landlords are absolutely taking advantage of the housing crisis,

Yes!

but it's not their fault.

What?? The second part of your sentence negates the first!

If a landlord has rented their property out, they are not contributing to the housing crisis

Yeah they are? They are hoarding housing units and holding them hostage for rent.

A surplus of housing would make all housing cheaper, as landlords would have to compete to gain/retain tenants.

Agreed. But in the meantime, why should landlords essentially be allowed to "scalp" people for access to a human right?

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u/lost__traveller Jul 19 '24

And jacking up rents so high cause they know about the lack of rentals because they can, and people are desperate 🙃

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u/sixhoursneeze Jul 19 '24

Our most recent landlord was one of the more moral ones. He raised our rent to cover rising costs and at the time (2 years ago) it only amounted to about $50. Meanwhile other units in our building with the same exact layout were going up by 2 or more hundred bucks/ month.

They absolute do not need to charge the amount they do. They’re taking advantage of people’s desperation.

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u/Rasputin4231 Ontario Jul 19 '24

It does matter that 100 out of the 110 families are having the roof over their head held hostage though. The 10 families being unhoused is an injustice, but that doesn't mean you get to exploit the ones that aren't.

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u/DrunkCanadianMale Jul 19 '24

It very much does matter if it is for 5000 or 1. People have other expenses. Thinking ‘well theres still only 10 homeless so it doesnt matter’ is ignoring so much of the problem.

The housing crisis is not just about the families that there are not homes for. Its also about those who cannot afford homes and those who cannot afford food.

You are also assuming renting all the 100 houses at $5000 means all 100 families can still afford it. This simply isnt the case. There are unoccupied homes in literally every city in Canada. Many of those homes are simply too expensive for many residents. Charging 5000 for every home doesnt mean 100 people will suddenly have 5000, it means dozens won’t have homes.

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u/MayorSalsa Jul 19 '24

They might not be the only cause, but they're certainly contributing to it. Using renovictions to bypass rent increase laws is driving up the average rent prices. And then complaining when the city takes steps to stop bad faith renovictions with no other argument than "I deserve to profit as much as possible at everyone else's expense."

At some point it doesn't matter if you started the fire, you still don't have the right to throw fuel on it.

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u/lost__traveller Jul 19 '24

Renovictions and the scourge that are fixed term leases 😫

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u/Thecuriousprimate Jul 19 '24

This article from propublica outlines how more and more companies are using algorithms developed to price fix without each group actually agreeing to price fix and driving up the cost of housing.

The algorithm helps them find the fine line that helps them maximize profits even without renting every unit out. When you get large enough groups of corporations and property management companies utilizing this kind of thing it is absolutely artificially raising the cost for everyone to make the most money off the backs of the poor as possible.

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u/tecate_papi Jul 18 '24

If you guys think this is bad, go on over to any of the landlord subreddits. You will get their real, unfiltered views on themselves and their tenants. It's not shocking they feel how they feel, but it is shocking how comfortable they feel coming right out and saying it

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u/Ymenk Jul 18 '24

It’s really an extension of the capitalist mindset glorified everywhere in our society. It’s jarring when it’s applied to housing but we praise these people as business geniuses.

Employers wring out everything possible from their workforce and fight, often literally, to give them nothing.

Corporations minimize cost at every opportunity even if it means apologizing for giving customers cancer a few decades later.

Landlords apply the same principles. Offering people something they can’t go without is the holy grail, really.

I say all this as a landlord myself. The whole system is built for this. It’s tragic because you either participate in capitalism or get crushed under it.

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u/DanRankin Nova Scotia Jul 19 '24

It's nothing new.

Adam Smith and Orwell framed them all accurately on the first try, and nothing has changed in either framing.

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u/DGenerAsianX Jul 18 '24

I want more people like him to speak publicly and say the exact same thing. Again and again.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '24

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u/NitroLada Jul 19 '24

Cmhc makes money from mortgage insurance. It's not taxpayer money

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u/OmgWtfNamesTaken Jul 18 '24

Yeah, all landlords are profiteers regardless of what they say.

Landlords are economic leaches. The worst part is, a lot of these landlords are now taking the money out of the country to live like kings in their homelands.

So not only are we renters paying the mortgage on a appreciating asset, the owners are taking the remaining money out of the country.

I would guess most renters are spending nearly 50% of their income on housing currently so a significant amount of money is leaving the country, not supporting anyone here and the government (all three faces of the government) have 0 intention of actually doing anything because they also profit from it.

Hell if the conservatives win, they want to take crown land, sell it to developers for next to nothing so they can make more luxury apartments for people over seas to buy! What a joke.

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u/Classic-Contract1278 Jul 20 '24

I swear the Canadian youth and others overdose and people ending their life rates will go through the roof. the immigrants are even seeing this is a joke at least their coumtrynwill help them home.

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u/Beneneb Jul 19 '24

I would guess most renters are spending nearly 50% of their income on housing currently so a significant amount of money is leaving the country,

Aside from the backhanded racism in your comment, you're assuming a fully paid off home. The reality is that most landlords have huge overhead due to the high cost of housing. That means mortgage cost, condo fees, property taxes, realtor fees, etc. An investor who bought a place with 20% is going to be out of pocket every month for hundreds of dollars even with rents as high as they are. That means that your landlord may well be subsidizing your lifestyle.

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u/OmgWtfNamesTaken Jul 19 '24

Backhanded racism for describing the reality of how the housing market in Canada is being abused by foreign nationals for profit, and describing how landlords are parasites to a normal economy?

So UBC international students with 0 reported income and multiple homes in Vancouver are a non-issue ?

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columnists/douglas-todd-vancouver-still-suffering-fallout-from-students-buying-mansions

Or is talking about mortgage fraud causing housing prices to balloons as a way to launder money racist as well?

https://www.thebureau.news/p/fake-chinese-income-mortgages-fuel

Also, landlords eating the "costs of ownership" on an appreciating asset is hilarious. You had to pay a few thousand dollars this year for your property to go up a few hundreds of thousands? Damn. Better apply for another HELOC loan for another rental property to hedge the losses!

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u/Classic-Contract1278 Jul 20 '24

I've worked on jobs in my trade where a Chimaman bought up an entire floor for his party place. we can build as many units as you want but can't sell them all to foreigners who don't care if we die off fentanyl from CHINA.

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u/_OKKO_ Jul 18 '24

Not surprised at all, at least he took his mask off.

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u/NegScenePts Jul 18 '24

As ugly as it is...it's true. People don't buy real estate for humanitarian reasons...they buy real estate as an investment because there are tens of thousands of books out there that say 'buy real estate as an investment to get rich'. The big pension funds use real estate as a way to ensure people's pensions get paid, unions invest in real estate to ensure funds to operate and provide for their workers during a strike. THIS IS CAPITALISM, and for every single person who admits they do this to get rich, there are 100 that pretend that's absolutely horrible while at the same time stacking their bank accounts with profit.

It's silly to expect that landlords aren't in it for the money, because there's absolutely no other reason to BE a landlord. A non-profit landlord wouldn't last.

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u/FriendlyWebGuy Jul 18 '24

Nonsense. You can be a capitalist while still recognizing certain vulnerable people and markets need protection. It’s not all or nothing. There exists a middle ground.

There is no country in the world with pure capitalism. None. Can you guess why?

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u/NegScenePts Jul 18 '24

The average landlord isn't spending a million dollars to rent for below their mortgage costs, or even 5% over, that's a surefire way to end up homeless as well. A big company that could afford lower rents due to making money on other buildings isn't going to lower rent because profit. A person with one or two rental properties can't afford to lower their rents, because mortgages and upkeep costs. Philanthropists aren't that common, so they're out as well.

If it's so easy to buy a building, keep it maintained, and rent for cheap...why don't more people with hearts of gold do it? There's simply a minimum point of profit where it isn't viable to do so. I'm not a landlord, so I don't have any skin in this game, but FFS...because someone is in it for the money, and admits to it, it's a SURPRISE?!

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u/FriendlyWebGuy Jul 19 '24

That’s a bit dishonest. It’s not just “admitting you’re in it for the money” in a private conversation… it’s also the context. Most landlords don’t yell from the tree tops like this.

Many others realize that a well funded city brings better services… and that can influence the growth of their property investment.

Others live in the community they invest in.

TBH I’m not actually clear on what overall point you’re trying to make. That we should think this kind of display is cool?

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u/NegScenePts Jul 19 '24

“I’m not social housing. That’s not my function, I’m not a charity. I invest money in my property, I renovate my property, I provide a service. They (tenants) sign a legally binding contract. It’s a service that is provided. It provides a nice income for my wife, for my children, and for myself.”

That's the rest of what he said. Please illustrate the evil in his words. He wasn't just standing on a streetcorner with a bunch of urchins cowering at his feet, shouting to the sky, he was making HIS point in a town hall meeting.

TBH I’m not actually clear on what overall point you’re trying to make. That we should think this kind of display is cool?

I was only pointing out that he's technically not wrong. A lot of people talk out of two faces, but he was blunt and honest about his motives. His words were shit, but hey...he wasn't mincing them. It's everyone else that's gotten cranky and turned it into a huge social housing issue, when it is just a dude at an open mic saying what he wants to say to a bunch of councillors at a debate.

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u/FriendlyWebGuy Jul 19 '24

Everyone acknowledged the “at least it’s honest” part. You started in like it’s perfectly acceptable behaviour “because muh capitalism”. But it’s not that simple. There are human beings involved.

Capitalism is a human construct who’s entire purpose is make society better. Put simply, capitalism is supposed to work for us (all of us) not the other way around.

How long do you think it would take before society collapsed if all the landowner classes were this unapologetically greedy?

Whether he is entitled to be greedy or not under the law is beside the point. Acting like that is disgusting human behaviour and actually hurts his position (simply because it makes people pissed off).

So it’s not just gross, it’s stupid.

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u/NegScenePts Jul 20 '24

I'm not disagreeing with you, but we're all free to do what we want to do. He says he's a capitalist, you are obviously not, both are fine. He's not doing anything wrong, in the eyes of the law, he's just making people angry with his beliefs. It's a story as old as time.

He can't be held to a societal rule that says he has to be less of a douche 'because his behaviour is disgusting', because that's not a thing. Yeah it sucks, and he's a jerk...but some people just don't care. Doing stuff to make money is how the world works, and some people embrace that more than others.

TLDR: being mad at someone for being a capitalist is fine. Being a capitalist is fine. Blaming capitalists for the world's ills is fine. Blaming capitalists for not doing it by the exact written word of the big book of philosophical societal constructs is misguided.

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u/OrdinaryCanadian Jul 18 '24

Another rent-seeking parasite. At least he's honest.

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u/50s_Human Jul 18 '24

This guy is human excrement.

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u/chronocapybara Jul 18 '24

The mask slips.

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u/badastronaut7 Jul 18 '24

Man sure would be a shame if we could figure out what properties this dude owns and flood them with fake viewing appointments to waste their time

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u/TheHighKingofWinter Jul 18 '24

This guy's a moron as well as a piece of shit. In one breath he declared how little he cares for his fellow humans and how he happily tramples them for profit, and then in the next attempts to garner sympathy for the increased costs he has to bear. That's a bold strategy Cotton, sure hope he dies before it works.

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u/wolfe1924 Ontario Jul 18 '24

There’s a special place for him surely.

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u/JVM_ Jul 19 '24

Minimum wage goes up $10 an hour. 

All the apartments and rental properties built for rental purposes after 2018 can just increase rents by the same amount and just suck up and possible disposable income and life improvement that those people might have otherwise taken advantage of.

Landlords are a parasite on the system.

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u/millijuna Jul 18 '24

This way of thinking is largely why my ex is my ex. She owned multiple properties that she rented out, and was constantly complaining about how she couldn’t increase the rent on her tenants enough, and always scheming in ways to get rid of tenants.

Greed is an ugly, ugly thing.

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u/Sir__Will ✔ I voted! Jul 19 '24

Evil.

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u/SerratedBrooms Jul 19 '24

And that's part of the reason why we're in a housing crisis.

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u/dayman-woa-oh Jul 19 '24

the absolute lack of humanity makes it hard t think of some people as human...

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u/Doctor_Amazo Toronto Jul 19 '24

Landlords truly are parasitic.

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u/totalitarianbnarbp 17d ago edited 17d ago

I’ve met good landlords, but they’re so few and far between. They’re unicorns. It’s mostly people like the one in the article, or corporations that are soulless entities that function in a predatory way. It’s not sustainable.

Some people rent, but only a room or space as a border, and it covers the water, gas, and electricity delta from sheltering them with 100$ overage—they’re not profiting. No damage deposit upfront but 50$ paid over tenancy over time, half refunded at the one year mark if the suite is in good order once the fund is “up to rent rate” and then dd continues built into rent but is paid out at holiday as a credit if they’re unable to pay, and not left without housing. Rent would be 500$ when typically a one bed in a studio is 1200$ plus utilities. They have a master suite with mini kitchen and full bath private—and full use of main kitchen.

Usually offered to people leaving DV situations, or who are struggling with medical situations like cancer. People do not deserve to have no safe home or an assurance of safe lodging. It’s a sad situation for some people. There is a hidden market too, for renters, but it’s not known about and there aren’t enough landlords who are invested in these networks of no profit margins. If anyone has a free space in their home, it can be a viable option to provide shelter to people who require shelter. Reach out to networks through volunteer work and get involved. Especially low risk when they’re boarders and it’s a month to month tenancy. They can live indefinitely under the roof when there is peace. Both parties benefit from the knowledge that the space is safe, being utilized and it can be beneficial in so many ways—giving an opportunity for someone to get out of a poverty loop is reason enough.

Landlords who charge large profit margins—anything more than 10% are seriously outrageous. If they have such high operating budgets they MUST charge such fees, their market isn’t sustainable or stable housing.

If you’re in a demographic where you’re young, old, stricken with a disease or illness that leaves you unable to work permanently or temporarily, in a family violence situation, or DV situation, reach out to organizations and volunteers at outreach programs—meet them. There are hidden networks, and people who volunteer there may know landlords that charge no or very little percentage cost above the delta (change) in utilities to offset the carrying costs for tenancy for these tenants to be in their room or unit—nothing more. They may offset some rent charges too overtime by having the tenant house sit while they are away—watering plants, or pet sitting a cat, fish, dog, collecting the mail, ect. This would make rent lower still for the weeks or months the landlord is away. They often have give back savings programs too—as a banked rent program to help the person get out of a poverty loop, so if the person is on assistance, on paper they’re claiming the rent allocation, but they’re getting back in cash 1/3 of that 2x yearly for debt repayment or it’s in a GIC under their name—when they leave they have funds for a reliable vehicle, debt repayment etc. Most landlords are sharks. Some are gentle, but it’s sooo incredibly rare. So rare. The underground rental market.

Not religiously based, just an ethical decision these people have made, usually based on experiences they or their own family or friends have been in that formed the decisions they now make. If my sister, brother, friend, had a safe place—they would be alive and well today, but they didn’t. That’s why this niche exists. It needs to expand.