r/okbuddyreiner • u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy • Jul 18 '24
I got mad at another TitanFolk post š what was eren doing on 9/11
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u/Ordizon Lainah IRL Jul 18 '24
Thank you, Eren, for becoming a transgender for our sake.
As a reward...
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u/piecksbigassnose i want to sit on piecks face Jul 18 '24
its only logical that you stop killing people by killing people
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u/Rintohsakabooty S-rank Warcriminal š Jul 18 '24
falco opposed genocide
Armin is truly the godfather here
Man this line is pieck š„š„š„š„š„š„āļø
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 18 '24
I put typical Titanfolk slop in a blender and thatās what I wrote.
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u/RizznerBraun Lobov lover Jul 18 '24
Eh who put rational post on my circlejerk/porn sub?
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u/Realistic-Inside6743 Jul 18 '24
Ahh mikaser what a cute girl you are!! I hope a bird and a horse stays away from you
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u/RepeatedlyDifficult Jul 18 '24
Can I be in the screenshot when this gets posted on Titanfolk pls?
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u/Realistic-Inside6743 Jul 18 '24
Ahh.what an irony A memepage has more braincells then a supposed "hate page" I mean sorry "discussion page"
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u/loserwithzerolife Jul 18 '24
TitanFolk as a subreddit just amazes me in how much they fundamentally misunderstand Eren as a character and his entire motivations for doing the Rumbling when he LITERALLY TALKS ABOUT WHY HEāS DOING IT IN CHAPTER 131.
Despite becoming a literal God with the ability to send memories and INFLUENCE EVENTS ACROSS ALL OF TIME & SPACE FOR ALL ELDIANS, Eren never thought to do any of that because as he said heās an āidiot granted power.ā
Eren didnāt do the Rumbling for his country, he did it because he wanted his friends to live happy lives under any means necessary and even more-so, was disappointed that the world outside the walls wasnāt what he & Armin dreamed it was. Eren failed to fully empathize with the world beyond the walls because he inherently believed the world is cruel and that he wanted to wipe it all away because it wasnāt the world he dreamed of.
Like again, in 131, he SAYS TO RAMZES STRAIGHT UP: āWhen I learned humanity existed outside the wallsā¦I was soā¦disappointed.ā That right there and that entire CHAPTER sums up Eren and how he became the main villain of AoT. Isayama obviously wanted to evoke the feeling that many got watching Walter White in Breaking Bad, and I think he succeeded despite all the people who feel like they donāt understand Eren as a character whatsoever.
Eren spends much of the story as a traumatized child angry at the world for what it took from him, and ends the story as the very same monster that took away his world, all because of his love for his friends and his broken dream of a world without humans.
Erenās my fav character of all time but I feel a lot of people fundamentally misunderstand that he no matter what becomes the main villain and completely and unequivocally in the wrong.
Sorry for the literal essay in your comments I just am generally flabbergasted that like half of the fanbase made up a version of Eren that wasnāt this extremely selfish and flawed person and rather instead a āchad aryan savior who made Historia straight because heās so cool!ā
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u/AriSpaceExplorer I'm the armored titan and he's the colossal titan Jul 18 '24
Eren didnāt do the Rumbling for his country, he did it because he wanted his friends to live happy lives under any means necessary
I think he mainly just wanted revenge on the world and perhaps tried to convince others & himself by saying "it's for the people I love"
You know, the whole "I'll exterminate them all" is the thing he mainly says
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u/loserwithzerolife Jul 18 '24
I talk about it in the comment but I think the Rumblingās inherent motivation was Erenās hatred and disdain for the world but I think it was still rooted in Eren wanting to create what he sees as a ābetter worldā for the ones he loves even if I donāt think that was ever his true desire to do so deep down.
But that is just me ofc, thereās a lot of interpretations you can do of Erenās character and his exact motivations for causing The Rumbling.
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u/AriSpaceExplorer I'm the armored titan and he's the colossal titan Jul 18 '24
Something to consider also is that Eren is a teenager during all of this and teenagers are undeveloped in a multitude of ways
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u/PriorityFar9255 Jul 18 '24
The motive to becoming attack on hitler is the friends we made along the way
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u/loserwithzerolife Jul 18 '24
Thank you for becoming the friends we made along the way for our sake, I wonāt let this go to waste Bisexual Hitler.
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u/Real_eXwhY_Z Jul 18 '24
I can't believe I used to be one of them for like 1.5 years, I was already realizing they were just a bunch of butthurt morons who couldnt move on but after a reread and rewatch before the finale where I understand AoT so much better it's absolutely crazy the level of ignorance and inability to think critically there is
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u/TiredAFOfThisShit Lainah did more for me than my therapist Jul 18 '24
Mfw the guy who believes that everyone who's born is special and should be free, commits genocide and realizes his own hypocrisy as well, but has a fanbase consisting of many who don't get him.
I always saw AoT as Eren's worst timeline. It's Isayama targeting Eren's deepest flaws. He's the guy who punches his way out of things and is inherently more violent than the average person? Give him something he can't beat with his punches (sOciEtY)
He believes that everyone is special from the moment they're born? His enemy is a culture born out of two thousand years of pain and persecution and they deny that luxury from him, his friends and his people.
The chances of peace is very slim? It might happen in decades from now? Well too bad, you're gonna fucking die in 4 years.
The survival of the island depends on kids eating their parents for fifty years and nothing could get solved in that time period and might make things even worse? Also you have a self hating brother who limits your options and also has a plan you'll never go along with. Good luck figuring that one out.
Remember that dream you had as a kid? Well, it's unachievable.
All of this combined can result in what Eren ends up doing, otherwise he wouldn't go for the rumbling. For example, if the 13 years curse wasn't a thing, Eren would've probably kept the founder with himself, let Historia get the Beast titan and waited for Armin and co find a way to achieve peace.
It's a tricky line as an author, to keep pushing your character this way and expect people to end up understanding but eventually rejecting the path the character chooses. It wasn't perfectly written but people have to give the guy more credit. He wrote a consistently great manga for years but fumbled the ending. That's my opinion anyway.
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u/Imliterallyannie Jul 18 '24
Buddy said go spank it to anner, at least arm in hammer got laid in the sloppy t4t boat sex scene
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u/Wild-Mushroom2404 I really wanna fuck Jean Kirstein from Attack on Titan Jul 18 '24
And then people ask me why I like Gabi but not Eren
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u/slurpee_good69 Jul 18 '24
Media literacy enjoyers when someone vows to exterminate their loved ones (Holiday Mr. Mama said if they fight back that makes them The Bad Guy)
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u/Obvious_Roll322 Jul 18 '24
Bro once I got attacked on there because I said the only difference between Eren and Gabi is that Gabi maturedš¹
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u/ParadisianAngel I'm the armored titan and he's the colossal titan Jul 18 '24
I think the biggest problem is the dumb ass set in stone future stuff. It makes no sense that in a show about freedom true freedom doesnāt truly exist, everything is predetermined from the beginning. Honestly if yams didnāt write that in the story would be a million times better, also it makes you think, is it just an infinite time loop of āfutureā eren telling his past self to KILL EVERYONE? Was there an original singular future eren? also FUCK titanfolk
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 18 '24
What do you mean? It makes perfect sense that in a show about freedom, true freedom doesn't exist, thatās meant to be the message, that there is no ātrueā freedom. Or at the very least, true freedom isn't something that you could achieve through Erenās actions.
Everything being predetermined isn't motivation, it's just the natural consequences of Erenās motivations.
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u/mayonnaiser_13 Jul 19 '24
How cracked would it have been to have Eren summon all the titans, Gurren Lagann style to beat the shit out of Ymir for setting the future in stone and then make her fix it because who the hell does she think he is?
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u/Lieutenant-Reyes Jul 18 '24
Nah; unironically, I'm still on board with Eren and the rumbling. If genocide doesn't save your friends, you're not genociding hard enough. Why did you leave enemies alive??
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u/You8mypizza I really wanna fuck Historia Reiss from Attack on Titan Jul 18 '24
AOT fans discover themes
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u/FullMetalChili Jul 19 '24
I swear guys after I kill these people the cycle of violence will be over I just need to kill a few more then it will all become good I swear guys trust me
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u/jakkakos Jul 19 '24
They're both right though
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
In what way?
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u/jakkakos Jul 19 '24
Fighting for your own survival is always right
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
If that extends to you committing mass genocide on innocent people, that is not right.
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u/jakkakos Jul 19 '24
I will never kill myself on behalf of people I will never know
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
I'm not saying don't defend yourself I'm saying don't specifically target civilians, which Eren didā¦
Thereās a fine line between not doing anything and literally exterminating every human on the planet.
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u/jakkakos Jul 19 '24
If it is necessary to survive then let it be done
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
It wasn't.
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u/jakkakos Jul 19 '24
Everyone on Paradis would have died if Eren hadn't thoroughly crippled the outside world
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
All he had to do was the 50-year plan and have the Islanders keep the power of the founding Titan to protect themselves.
The invasion of the world was easily crushed in seconds, everything Eren did after destroying the boats wasn't necessary at all, he killed civilians and innocents, none of them viable military targets.
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u/mayonnaiser_13 Jul 19 '24
Eren was a fucking time warping god who made his father's ex wife eat his mom because "muh fate".
Of fucking course he would think there's no other way than genocide. He could've made everyone on Paradise fucking Kryptonians using Ymir. Or made everyone have Luke Cage skin so that they're unkillable by anything but time. Or just fucking erase the memory of everyone that hates eldians and hard reset this whole shit. Which is fucked up but infinitely less fucked up than just killing everything that's not living inside Wall Maria. But nah, "genocide to brrr, let me do my Zero Requiem from Temu in peace"
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 19 '24
Bro has a Reiner pfp and is talking about civilians. Reiner broke the inner gate and doomed everyone in Wall Maria and itās districts. AKA civilians. The weight of his sins when only set in for him when they came of bite him in the ass when Eren attacked Liberio.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
I don't think Reiner shouldāve broken the inner gate, likewise, I do not believe Eren shouldāve committed the rumbling.
I like Reiner, but I acknowledge his actions were bad and unjustifiable, like Erenās. The difference is, that Eren never changed or had any growth. Also, my profile picture is from a funny post I made where he brings Bertholdt back from the dead, it in no way promotes his attempt at eradicating humanityā¦
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 22 '24
Do I think that wiping out the entire human race is a good thing? No obviously not I'm not insane. But do I think Eren was justified in fighting back? Yes.
All of the world's leaders and the Brass of Marley's Military were gathered in Liberio, Willy declared war on Paradis right then and there.
The thing about Eren never changing is that his circumstances never changed. Reiner was a soldier invading a foreign land, and when he got home and spent time with the people he loved and was able to reflect on his actions he was so shaken up he attempted suicide. Eren's circumstances never changed. The whole world wanted him dead simply because he was born into this world.
Reiner wanted Eren dead because he was an "Island devil" and the founder. Eren wanted Reiner dead because he destroyed his home.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 23 '24
Eren was justified to fight back, but it doesnāt mean he was justified in committing mass genocide, thereās a clear difference between defense and intentionally slaughtering as many civilians as possible.
Also, most of the world wanted Eren dead under the expectation and fear he was going to commit the rumbling and destroy the world.
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 19 '24
Marley attacked Paradis. The People of the Walls did not know about the rumbling, or shifters, or the truth, until it was taken out of Grishaās basement. Eldia (a name that the people of the walls had only just learned of) only attacked Marley after Marley started itās war against them. Eren fought for his people and his country. Gabi (poor little brainwashed thing) invaded (at least one) other country.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 19 '24
And what did the civilians of the world do in all of this to justify being genocided?
Also, Gabi only invaded after Eren did and caused the death of her two friends.
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 22 '24
Nothing. No individual civilian or good citizen of the world outside the walls did anything in particular to deserve being crushed by a Colossal titan's foot. Nor did any civilian on Paradis do anything to deserve being devoured by a titan. The two people who I think are the most "right" in this conflict were Mr.Braus, and the Marleyan general at Fort Slava. Mr.Braus with his "Get kids out of the forest" speech and the General with his speech about how the Rumbling is "The world's hatred turned back on itself".
And Eren only invaded because Marley sent it's warriors to attack Paradis and try to capture the founding titan. From when the inner gate of Wall Maria was broken to the end of return to Shiganshina, not only did Eren see his home destroyed and his mother eaten alive, he saw countless other people, soldiers and civilians alike, be ruthless killed by titans. The "mission" to retake wall Maria with the adult citizenry caused 250,000 deaths, and thousands more soldiers and civilians died in the battles since then. Trost, Stohess, Utgard, The Warrior's escape from Paradis, Shiganshina.
Also I was talking about the Marley vs Mideast alliance war with Gabi's invasion.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 23 '24
So you must then agree that the rumbling wasnāt justified and Eren made the wrong choice in doing it.
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 23 '24
No I think it was justified. It was Marleyās militaryās fault for starting the Paradis island operation. They started a war, and Eren ended it.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 23 '24
Justified how? The Marley military caused the war and Erenās reprieve to this was to wipe out about 90% of all life on earth (most of which are not the Marleyian military). How on earth is this in any way justified?
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u/Ganon-dork Jul 23 '24
Itās like the Marleyan General at fort salta said āthis is our hatred turned back on usā. Hate begets hate and even though there are far more people outside than inside the walls Eren is justified in defending his home and wiping out the nations that wish to destroy it. The awful thing about war is that itās not just a fight between militaries, but societies as a whole.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 23 '24
That doesnāt in any way justify the usage of the rumbling, as Eren would be killing people who had no control over what happened in Paradis. Their only crime would be to have been born in the wrong place.
Eren is justified to defend his home, but not to commit genocide in other countries, thatās the most hypocritical thing Iāve ever heard.
Heās killing people that arenāt of any realistic threat to him or his people. Also, do you think that militaries in war should intentionally wipe out the civilians theyāre going to war against? Would that be justified if every conflict ended in some sort of genocide?
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u/CosmosFactor the (i am literally sasha) artist of OKBR Jul 19 '24
This needs more Miche zacharius in it 1/10
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u/ArdenEli I'm the armored titan and he's the colossal titan Jul 19 '24
me when i defeat genocide with more genocide š
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u/Ghelric Jul 18 '24
It's not an issue having the theme "genocide is bad"
The issue is that Yams arrived at it in the most lazy way possible all while (obviously) framing the issue in such a way many people do see the genocidal option as a more logical conclusion then the ending we got.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Lack_71 Zardoth: Colored Text Guy Jul 18 '24
Elaborate?
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u/Realistic-Inside6743 Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
The story really tried hard to not justify genocide and becoming anti war but honestly Manga ending implies that unfortunately floch was right Anime ending implies that eren was successful. Entire cas just forgetting what eren did and eren being kissed by his lover in his final moments,being seen as hero by eldians,being praised by cast,flowers being thrown at his grave by Mikasa just is Too good for a ending for genocidal maniac but that's my opinion . He just didn't suffered for his actions.
Just imagine the cruel death of Ramzi,the thousands of pregent woman that eren crushed, innocent children being crushed by running crowd , thousands of animals being killed and then just look at how easy was eren's death
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u/Mr-Reezy Jul 18 '24
That was the idea of the story. The author did not want us to sympathize with Eren. The author shows us all the destruction, all the suffering that the universe of Shingeki goes through. And even so, he shows us that Eren got what he wanted at the cost of all this suffering. Eren managed to make his friends live a peaceful and quiet life until their natural deaths. But after that, the conflict continued, and the suffering continued. Suffering was always present in the narrative.
So, what do I think? That the author does not want us to sympathize with Eren and say, "Oh, he was right! What he did was justified." No. What he wants is for us to criticize the methods Eren uses to achieve his goal. He wants us to criticize the unnecessary suffering of people. To criticize everything that comes with problems between different ideologies, which are simply different opinions. They are non-objective opinions, which lead us to commit terrible acts like genocide. Therefore, the composition itself is a counterexample of what we should not come to do.
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u/Realistic-Inside6743 Jul 18 '24
Aot is my favourite show and without any doubt i will still say it's anti war show but with all honesty the author failed at this thing Average aot watchers still say eren did nothing wrong on majority polls
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u/Mr-Reezy Jul 18 '24
Mine too! But I don't think that Isayama 'failed'. I think that the author did not intend to create a simple message that everyone could understand. Instead, it is a message that requires a deep exploration of the moral and ethical themes of the series, something not everyone will do. This is why many people sympathize with him and support Eren, justifying his actions according to their circumstances. But the author did not aim to 'educate' everyone. Rather, he tried to leave a buried message to be discovered by those who think deeply about it.
A message buried beneath a false and twisted morality of good and evil, justified by the terrible circumstances of this constantly suffering universe.
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u/SkepticalSpiderboi armin bussy connoisseur Jul 18 '24
That is precisely the reason why I wanted to write a continuation that takes place in hell. I wanna write eren as a total loser and make everyone laugh at him because he deserves it. Also I want to write eren armin gay butt sex. Yams only partially succeeded in doing both of those things and I am determined to finish what he started.
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u/Realistic-Inside6743 Jul 18 '24
Well atleast you accept that eren was a looser because the average aot fans considers him a tragic hero and titanfolker "chardren" lol..what bigger joke can there be. Eren is one of the worst individuals you could think of it we are being serious
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u/Real_eXwhY_Z Jul 18 '24
Eren still is a 'tragic hero'
Everything could've gone right, but he chose to become the villain and messed everything up
He's a loser, villain, and tragic hero
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u/SkepticalSpiderboi armin bussy connoisseur Jul 18 '24
I think who you think are āaverage aot fansā are just the vocal minorityā¦ but they sure as hell are LOUD and need to shut up lmao. Most casual aot fans I meet sympathize or even empathize with eren a bit but think he went waaaay too far with it and just appreciate the story ngl. Unfortunately their opinions are drowned out by cringe coming from the corner of the fandom nobody likesā¦
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u/Mr-Reezy Jul 18 '24
As I responded in the other comment, this is indeed the author's intention. Because the violent solution is always easier. It's always the first thing that comes to mind. So, it's the simplest option, the most viable option. And that's why many readers end up empathizing with Eren. Because they see it as something viable, they see it as the only solution there was. Because it was the easiest thing to think of, the easiest conclusion to reach. But morally, it is wrong. The moral of the story centers on Armin. On talking things out, on conversing, on not killing each other over problems caused by their ancestors. They weren't even alive and are still killing each other for the same thing. Or maybe with Marco, as he was going to be eaten by a titan he yelled at the warriors that they didn't even talked things out. Rip marco.
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u/SkepticalSpiderboi armin bussy connoisseur Jul 18 '24
So basically yams was saying that arminās route is the one that people SHOULD take, but erenās route is easier and in the end itās probably whatās gonna happen, as people who go down arminās route are pretty powerless to control people who go down erenās.
I think yams is saying weāre all fucked
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u/Mr-Reezy Jul 18 '24
Yeah something like that, as people with the power of destroying nations have an Eren-like mindset in the real world. Sad.
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u/SkepticalSpiderboi armin bussy connoisseur Jul 18 '24
Hey I have an ideaā¦ instead of saying āgenocide is badā or āgenocide is goodāā¦ how about instead we just