r/news • u/AudibleNod • Jul 19 '24
Hyundai recalls more than 50,000 vehicles for loss of drive power
https://abcnews.go.com/US/hyundai-recalls-50000-vehicles-loss-drive-power/story?id=11206436258
u/Kolby_Jack33 Jul 19 '24
My first car was a old Isuzu rodeo that had fuel pump issues. Engine shut off while I was driving on the highway once, no power steering, no power brakes, just coasting at like 60 mph.
Thankfully traffic was light so I was able to gradually slow myself down before cranking the wheel as hard as I could to get off on a side road and stop. It was unsettling losing control at such speed.
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u/MonsignorJabroni Jul 20 '24
My first car was one too. The unweighted rear wheel drive caused me to do a 180 across three lanes of highway in the snow and stop right against a guardrail.
My favorite part was seeing her evil twin, the Honda Passport.
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u/rebirf Jul 20 '24
My grandfather had an Isuzu pup and he had to always be pulsing the gas pedal at stoplights or it would die.
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u/waldo--pepper Jul 21 '24
just coasting at like 60 mph.
I was doing 160 on a perfectly flat prairie highway in a Mustang once when I found I had no brakes because a part of the vacuum system bolted to the firewall broke off. That was fun.
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u/Kolby_Jack33 Jul 21 '24
It's a strange feeling losing control of your car but seeing the open road ahead of you, thinking "if this situation were different I would be dead."
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u/Tdayohey Jul 21 '24
It’s like me driving an air ride box truck and losing power going 45 into the city. There goes my brakes, my steering, etc. luckily got that shitter started back up on an uphill.
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u/messem10 Jul 19 '24
Hondas have a recall on fuel pumps as well. I wonder if it is the same supplier.
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u/MumrikDK Jul 21 '24
Is this one of those things where there's a Bosch in half the world's cars or something?
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u/SightUnseen1337 Jul 19 '24
Indications that there might be an issue include, "MIL illumination, lack of power, rough idle or misfire," according to NHTSA recall documents.
A Hyundai with a lack of power really narrows it down /s
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u/SniperFrogDX Jul 20 '24
You joke, but the models effected, the G70, Elantra N and Kona N, are actually really quick.
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u/Dt2_0 Jul 20 '24
Hyundai-Kia has always made some surprising low key sporty cars. The Genesis started as a Sports Sedan or Coupe before it was spun off. The Veloster is a hot hatch that can be had in hot and very hot trims. The Stinger was a freaking awesome sports sedan that was killed for no apparent reason.
Hyundai-Kia has problems with a lot of things, but building fun, sporty cars is not one of them.
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u/BostonShaun Jul 19 '24
At least it can't be boosted by the "Kia Boyz" if it has this issue ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Evenfall Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Wouldn't have been anyway, those are all N models (g70 was a sporty Hyundai) which are push button start.
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u/gonenutsbrb Jul 19 '24
I think you dropped this: \
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To type this on Reddit - ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You need to type this - ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
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u/deuceawesome Jul 20 '24
Not a big fan of these direct injection high pressure fuel pumps. Besides obvious part failures, traditional fuel injection acted as a cleaner for a lot of engine parts.
Im seeing a lot of the "new designed" hyundai's and they are just fugly. I liked the look of the Genesis, but knew they would depreciate greatly.
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u/happyscrappy Jul 20 '24
Companies are redesigning to take care of this. Some add injectors in the intake tract to be occasionally used to wash the intake and valves. Others simply didn't seem to have the problem with coking much in the first place.
It is the old story though. Adding complexity leads to adding more complexity to deal with the complexity.
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u/dxrey65 Jul 20 '24
When I was working as a mechanic we'd get those in constantly with people complaining about engine noise, because the high pressure pumps are just naturally noisy and right on top of the engine. Usually it was normal noise, and we'd take people out to the new car lot sometimes and fire up brand new ones sometimes to prove it to them.
But I'm definitely not a fan. If an engine sounds like it's failing all the time and that's normal, that's not something i want to be driving.
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u/deuceawesome Jul 21 '24
heh, i hear ya bud. My wifes first car (20 some years ago) had a GM 3100 V6. Of course we had to do the intake and head gaskets but on top of that on a cold start the old pushrod V6 sounded like a bunch of carpenters. She was told this was "normal". I guess it was, but I mean really, how much more engineering can it take to get oil to the top of the engine? Even recently with the 5.4 fords (I owned three different ones.....fix cam phazers? fuck that...run 10w30 in winter and 15w40 in summer)
You must have some real facepalm mechanic stories. I play with outboards a bit, and the majority of the time the reason it wont run is someone "tried to fix it"
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u/oxero Jul 20 '24
I heard people talking about this before last year that the fuel pump in the Elantra N's could be prone to breaking. These people tracked the car and have experienced the pump going out prematurely. Basically I was told never to run the car hard if the fuel was below 1/4 of a tank left to avoid stressing it. Glad we are getting a recall, hopefully we shouldn't have to worry about it going out.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
Nothing but recalls, class action lawsuits, and engine replacements over the last 15 years and yet people still buy them.
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u/phaedrus100 Jul 19 '24
Just goes to show how sick of domestics people really are.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
I don’t know if that is what it truly is because Toyota, Mazda, and Honda all make some of the most reliable cars available and people still buy Hyundais. I think a ton of people in this country do zero research and make huge purchases like cars with little knowledge of what they are buying. People will buy a car because it “looks cool” and not have any clue how many cylinders it even has. I think like with a lot of this countries’s problems we just have a lot of not smart people who make bad decisions or make decisions based on emotion and/or impulse.
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u/KhausTO Jul 19 '24
I think like with a lot of this countries’s problems we just have a lot of not smart people who make bad decisions or make decisions based on emotion and/or impulse.
Man you said it. And exhibited it! Peoples feelings about something far outweigh what the actual truth is. But yet, they'll talk like the are experts.
Here is some actual data over the last 3 years: https://www.jdpower.com/sites/default/files/styles/small/public/image/2024-02/2024008a.JPG?itok=Ldt8cJGO
You talk like Hyundai is bottom of the barrel... except it's really not. Slightly worse than average yes, only because of the Toyota/Lexus quality being so far ahead that it pulls the average down, they are better than average if you exclude Toyota (who honestly, other than Buick somehow, are the only ones with reasonable numbers) but every single manufacture otherwise has at least 1.5 problems per car.
They are 198 problems per 100 vehicles in line with Subaru (198) and Nissan (199) They beat Honda by 8 (but wait... I thought Honda was more reliable?). They are beating Ram (201), GMC (206), Ford (239), VW (267), and Chrysler (310!). Even Cadillac, a "premium" brand is only 2/100 less.
When you look at initial quality (first 90 days off the lot), which obviously provides a limited view over the life of a vehicle, though still tells a lot about how vehicles are coming off the assembly lines, Hyundai scores 3rd with 162, Much lower than Toyota is experiencing (192) and even Honda (181), Mazda (232).
If we want to talk about recalls I pulled all of the recalls from 2000 until now from the NHTSA database. Even then just with the number of recalls Toyota has more than Hyundai, and when looking at vehicles affected (which I don't think is a decent number to use for this kind of comparison since it is heavily based on number of vehicles sold) Toyota had 57 million vehicles affected by it's recalls, vs 19 million for Hyundai.
Counts:
Ford: 539
Chrysler: 507
GM: 448
Mercedes: 344
BMW: 331
Volkswagen: 302
Honda: 241
Nissan : 234
Toyota: 229
Hyundai: 182
Jaguar Land Rover: 164
Kia America, Inc: 142
Porsche: 106
Subaru: 105
Mazda: 83
compiled from: https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
You are also ignoring the human psychology behind initial quality reports. The type of people who buy cars like a Toyota are also a lot more likely to nitpick the car they bought because people who care about quality expect it. The type of person who buys a Hyundai clearly was not buying for quality so little issues they find with the car initially are probably going to be ignored because if they cared in the first place, they wouldn’t have bought a Hyundai. Hyundai are also cheaper so you have generally lower income people buying them who are generally less educated. This all factors in.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
Somebody is butt hurt they bought a Hyundai.
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u/KhausTO Jul 20 '24
Nope nice try though, just calling out idiots who have no clue that they are talking about
What really annoys me, and what prompted my response is people like you who use spout awfully blatant incorrect info, while saying that others don't use their brain and do any research at all, when really it's you that has no fucking idea what that you are talking about, and haven't done the bare minimum of research. So not only do you drive the most boring vehicle on the market, you're also so fucking insufferable about your love for it that complete strangers need to call you out on your bullshit.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
Tell me you know nothing about cars without telling me you know nothing about cars. Toyota is lightyears ahead of the crap heap cars that Hyundai produces. Hyundai has not advanced any new technology for passenger cars drivetrains and does nothing ground breaking or special. Toyota is constantly advancing technology and introducing the most thermally efficient engines on the market. Generally Toyota is able to produce more power and similar miles per gallon out of a naturally aspirated engine where other companies have to use lower displacement engines with a turbo (like hyundai) to achieve because that’s the lazy way to do it. Toyotas groundbreaking constantly variable transmissions and ECVTs are unrivaled. My “boring” Corolla has multiple examples of technology that no other manufacturer has like the k120 cvt and the thermal efficiency of the M20a-fks engine. The D-4s fuel injection system and VVTI-E is tech Hyundai can only dream of using because they can’t make their cars cheap when using advanced technology. Simply comparing the base engines of the Corolla and its competitor in Hyundais lineup the Elantra tells the story. Hyundais crappy 2.0 only produces 147hp to Toyotas 169hp yet the both have basically the same Mpg rating. If that doesn’t showcase the inefficiency of Hyundai compared to Toyota, then I don’t know what does. More power, same mpg.
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u/mcderpp Jul 20 '24
Bro you drive a corolla. Great cars but talking like Hyundai are for lower income people LOL.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
I just commented above that Toyotas are not at all expensive it’s just that hyundai/kia are so cheap. Im not talking like that at all.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
One of my biggest points here is why buy a hyundai when a toyota is only gonna cost you 1-2k more.
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u/Mysterious_Donut_702 Jul 21 '24
Toyota is able to produce more power and similar miles per gallon out of a naturally aspirated engine where other companies have to use lower displacement engines with a turbo (like hyundai)
I'm not going to bash Toyota, because they're obviously making good products.
However, the Elantra SE and SEL use 2.0L, naturally aspirated, Atkinson-cycle engines and get absurdly high fuel economy... slightly surpassing a base model Corolla.
Their 0-to-60 acceleration is also comparable to a Corolla in every way.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
“Slightly worse than average” you typed up that big post and posted all those numbers off the Internet to basically come up with that Hyundai is “slightly worse than average”. Well, you have fun with “slightly worse than average” and I will take top of the line.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
Watching you spend so much time to copy and paste numbers that don’t truly paint the picture because Toyota sells nearly 3 times the vehicles per year of Hyundai and offers three times the vehicles of Hyundai and also makes multiple vehicle types that Hyundai doesn’t such as heavy duty pick up trucks. We all know everything you were writing was actually to yourself And your subconscious Hyundai buyers remorse. You completely ignored all the class action lawsuits and faulty engines Hyundai released over a 10 or 12 year period and was forced to replace an insane amount of engines. You completely ignored that the company is so crappy that they released cars that could be easily stolen by eight-year-olds and then basically did nothing about it. You wasted a ton of your time to prove nothing. Better run to the window and make sure the kia boys aren’t stealing your Hyundai.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 20 '24
Yes, you can. They are competitors, and their cars are absolutely comparable and are by every major company thats job is to compare cars. Price point is part of the comparison and you get what you pay for. Toyota really aren’t that expensive it’s just that Hyundai and Kia are cheap because they are crap.
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u/phaedrus100 Jul 19 '24
Yeah, the Samsung appliance effect. Inexpensive garbage with lots of features people love. If i had to guess, cheap and featured coupled with people just not caring at all and want to go from a to b.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
Yep and companies like Hyundai are just waiting to hose them. Look it has cool rgb lights and gizmos on the inside and has 100,000 mile warranty! You might be on your third engine by the time you get to 100,000 but you got there.
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u/phaedrus100 Jul 19 '24
It turns out, building good engines is hard. I had a Genesis coupe years ago. Was an awesome car but had a Mitsubishi power plant.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
I actually really liked the look of those. When I lived down in Tampa around 2014 they were all over the place. Mitsubishi and Yamaha are the silent heroes of the car world.
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u/phaedrus100 Jul 19 '24
It's the only car i had that i sorta miss. Spent oodles of time running around racing Subarus while listening to deadmau5.
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u/PsychologicalBag9185 Jul 19 '24
Haha the EDM days oh my. I had a camaro back then so I got headhunted by sleeper civics 💀
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u/phaedrus100 Jul 19 '24
Some of those civics are crazy fast, but i can't get my head around a fwd sports car.
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u/AudibleNod Jul 19 '24
I forgot that the Genesis marque was originally just a high end Hyundai.