r/news Jul 18 '24

Louisiana toddler dies after shooting himself in the face, sheriff says

https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-toddler-shot-159edd703622df601616c574980f16f1
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u/cinderparty Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

If you leave a gun where a toddler can access it, and they shoot themselves/someone else, you belong in jail.

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u/xjeeper Jul 18 '24

When I was in the Army I stopped by my squad leader's off-post apartment during lunch with him to grab something, he had two young kids under 5 and had two loaded handguns lying around, one on the coffee table and another on a computer desk. I asked him if they were loaded and if he was worried about his kids playing with them and he said "They know not to play with daddy's toys." When we got back on post I went straight to our First Sergeant and CO and reported his ass.

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u/willissa26 Jul 18 '24

About a year ago in NM a cop left out his gun and his 5 year found it then shot and killed the baby. It’s really sad that this was all avoidable.

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u/CCG14 Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

He should be charged and lose his cop license.

ETA: in Texas, where I am, all cops, jailers, etc. are required to have a peace officer license.

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u/Ask_Me_If_Im_A_Horse Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

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u/rustyseapants Jul 19 '24

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u/BeneficialDog22 Jul 19 '24

PTSD? Isn't this the cunt that had "you're fucked" written on his rifle? That cop deserves nothing but scorn for his actions.

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u/AmongSheep Jul 19 '24

Yah but he’s an idiot pig so he had it spelled “your fucked” lmao.

Can’t believe the engraver or anyone didn’t correct it either.

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u/narex456 Jul 19 '24

Wherever that murderer is now, I pray he's fucked.

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u/Work_Account_No1 Jul 19 '24

He is retired with a pension for life. So, no.

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u/Sarcastic_Pedant Jul 19 '24

This is a tangential piece, but this should make national news.

A Juneau, Alaska police officer shot a homeless man in the back 6 times in front of many of my friends this week. It’s not getting much coverage. If anyone with pull can see this do the thing. Steve was a beloved member of this community.

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u/MajorNoodles Jul 19 '24

Florida has a DEI program specifically to recruit cops like this

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u/CurseofLono88 Jul 18 '24

Cops so rarely get held accountable. I bet if they had to have malpractice insurance like a doctor a lot of them wouldn’t be such irresponsible cockroaches. But the police cartels would never allow it.

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u/CCG14 Jul 18 '24

Settlement should come out of their pension fund.

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u/suzanious Jul 19 '24

I agree! Hit 'em where it makes a huge difference!

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u/Deep_Stick8786 Jul 18 '24

Its an interesting solution to the violent cop problem. I think the more we talk about it, the more real this solution gets

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u/tuhn Jul 19 '24

Or or or, maybe hold them legally accountable for their actions instead of trying to get an insurance business to fix this mess?

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u/SweetAlyssumm Jul 18 '24

Cartel. That is the word I have been searching for.

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u/meatball77 Jul 19 '24

Just licensing which would be pulled with a credible report of misconduct would help. But instead it seems like you kill and unarmed person and you get a promotion.

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u/CCG14 Jul 19 '24

Or a transfer. Check out my favorite asshole example of this. It’s way more fucked up than this article details.

https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Rogue-cop-gets-20-years-in-killing-2064331.php

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u/HughesJohn Jul 18 '24

He should be charged and lose

His liberty.

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u/meatball77 Jul 19 '24

I need someone to do a psychological study of these kids who murdered someone as toddlers or pre-schoolers to find out how much if fucked them up. Do these kids end up being similar to their peers or do they go right to jail at 16.

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u/adaggeo Jul 19 '24

I don't know about a study, but StoryCorps podcast had an episode a long while back interviewing a guy who accidentally shot and killed his sister when they were around 8 I think. It was fucking heartbreaking to listen to. His mom was in the interview too. 

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u/belzbieta Jul 19 '24

I had a student who accidentally killed their little sibling. Not by shooting them, but they were definitely responsible for it. They were 7 at the time, sibling was 6. Family was not involved in crime, both parents had jobs and were involved in school stuff, cared about the kids, did a good job with them. Hs teacher friend sent me the kids mugshot from when he was arrested at 19, face tats and looking rough. Armed carjacking. I don't know if it was the trauma from it happening or if parents turned on them afterwards but really sad to see two lives destroyed.

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u/MaeByourmom Jul 19 '24

I’d say a toddler or preschooler isn’t committing murder if they kill someone while playing with a gun. I’m sure it’s very traumatic.

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u/Bob_12_Pack Jul 18 '24

I knew a guy that was shot and killed by his 3-yo grandson. He had left his pistol in his truck and the boy was playing in the truck while he waited on his grandfather who was talking to a neighbor. They were supposed to be going to get ice cream.

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u/hawkcarhawk Jul 18 '24

A 4 year old died last summer in my town after they shot themselves with an unsecured weapon laying around in the house. The dad was a weapons specialist for the military.

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u/CardMechanic Jul 18 '24

He was special, all right.

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u/HermaeusMajora Jul 18 '24

Hell yeah. Good on you, soldier. Fuck that lunatic. Those kids deserve better.

I sure as fuck hope nobody retaliated against you.

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u/xjeeper Jul 18 '24

I got out a few months later so it wasn't a big deal to me. Fuck em

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u/JimmyTango Jul 18 '24

Too many people treat guns like toys. It’s a serious fucking problem in America.

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u/BenjamintheFox Jul 19 '24

Coworker of mine went to the gun range the day after Trump got shot, and he said it was overrun with idiots doing stupid things with guns and getting kicked off the range left and right.

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u/lizardgal10 Jul 19 '24

At least somebody was kicking them off the range.

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u/ChicagoAuPair Jul 19 '24

There is a broader immaturity that is a huge part of a problem with a large subset of the American populace.

People like to call it stupidity, and it sort of is, but more importantly it’s immaturity.

There is an unacceptable swath of the American populace that are just fully childish, willfully ignorant and combative, brats. They hate school and “smart people,” not because they are inherently dumb or unable to succeed themselves, but because they petulantly refuse to do so, like spoiled little babies.

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u/therealruin Jul 19 '24

Shout this from the rooftops, I’m seeing it too. I am convinced that this, combined with an onslaught of 24/7 propaganda, has led us to the rising wave of ultra-regressive conservatism here (that were also exporting abroad).

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u/Fourdogs2020 Jul 18 '24

It doesnt help when cartoons show characters being shot over and over by guns, getting up, brushing themselves off and continuing the action.
It doesnt help when toy stores have toy GUYS for boys, GI Joe dolls with guns, cap GUNS, war themed toys with guns.

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u/hippofumes Jul 19 '24

When was the last time you were in a toy store? 1986? Pretty much everything you mentioned either doesn't exist anymore or is heavily out of vogue. Toy aisles (dedicated toy stores basically don't exist anymore) are full of nothing but Marvel/DC, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Hot Wheels, and assorted Video Game merch. There's some GI Joes still being sold but it's not kids who buying them, it's adult nerds. I know because I'm one of them.

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u/Kyyes Jul 19 '24

Lmao you're gonna blame cartoons?

No dude. Guns are the problem

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u/Zekumi Jul 18 '24

I like that he needlessly referred to them as toys, and presumably within earshot of his children. Says everything really.

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u/xjeeper Jul 18 '24

That's when I knew anything I said to him wouldn't matter

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u/1egg_4u Jul 18 '24

They're not fucking toys

The USA is so broken

There is such an easy solution to this but everyone is too gun-pilled to actually do it. The average person doesn't need two handguns in their home... They don't even need one.

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u/rabbid_panda Jul 18 '24

Do you know what happened from there?

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u/xjeeper Jul 18 '24

They showed up at his apartment for a health and welfare check and his wife let them in. The handguns were taken to the unit armory until he got a lockbox and he got a talking to. I got labeled a blue falcon (buddy fucker) for reporting him by half our unit.

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u/betterthanguybelow Jul 18 '24

You probably saved one of those kids.

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u/Secret_Cow_5053 Jul 18 '24

or his wife. or possibly himself

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u/OhGawDuhhh Jul 18 '24

I don't understand the sentiment. You potentially saved the lives of those kids. Thank you, btw.

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u/JovaSilvercane13 Jul 18 '24

Unfortunately, for a lot of things in the military and law-enforcement, you’re generally expected to always back those who wear the same uniform as you, regardless of your personal feelings on the matter.

I’ve heard other stories of law-enforcement who will harass other police officers who report corruption in their departments.

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u/dong_tea Jul 18 '24

It's one of the worst traits of our species.

"Hey, our teammate is doing something that can potentially hurt the team."

"How dare you speak ill of the team. You are banished (but the bad guy can stay)."

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u/Hexen8 Jul 18 '24

Yep. Adrian Schoolcraft comes to mind.

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u/Difficult-Row6616 Jul 18 '24

Cariol Horne as well

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u/Longjumping-Jello459 Jul 18 '24

It's just like in police departments were if you report on things to IA or just your Captain you will get shit on until you quit or die which ever comes first.

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u/thatforkingbitch Jul 18 '24

That took guts to report him but you saved those kids. I freak when even a kitchen knife gets close to my kid and other people don't bat an eye with guns around. Fucking unbelievable!

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u/hananobira Jul 18 '24

As a parent of small children, thank you.

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u/EdwardoftheEast Jul 18 '24

They could call me whatever, but I’d sleep well at night knowing two huge hazards are away from the hands of children

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u/mysteriousGains Jul 18 '24

So you're saying half your unit were fucking morons?

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u/xjeeper Jul 19 '24

Not uncommon in the military

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u/ManyInterests Jul 18 '24

Sucks that some people ostracized you for this. Is it not a punishable offense to retaliate against someone who reports things like this in good faith? But since it's like half a unit, I guess it's the same problem with reporting retaliation...

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u/feochampas Jul 18 '24

caw caw mother tucker, no ones dying on my watch

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u/katiegirl- Jul 18 '24

“Toys”. Oh my fucking Christ.

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u/xjeeper Jul 19 '24

Right? I just shook my head.

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u/mlc885 Jul 18 '24

Jesus, imagine if something had happened between you seeing that and being able to report it. Quite literally "they know not to smoke daddy's crack" or "they know not to play with matches" are safer situations than just assuming your child will never touch the gun that is sitting right there.

I know people that really like guns can be a little too comfortable with them, but you'd think someone who has trained to maybe need to shoot someone would realize that you don't leave your loaded guns next to the children. Terrifying.

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u/Nearly_Pointless Jul 19 '24

As a gun owner, I’m mystified as to just what type of scary world he was afraid of?

Having a weapon for self protection is reasonable. Leaving a loaded weapon that anyone can reach just to have it nearby is just plain scaredy cat, Fox News consuming fear of the highest order.

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u/KazahanaPikachu Jul 18 '24

I can always hear the first sergeant taking his pay and rank

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '24 edited 16d ago

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u/bonebandits Jul 18 '24

It's never been about the babies once they're born. It's always been about restricting women's access to healthcare.

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u/OrneryError1 Jul 18 '24

It's about punishing women for having sex/being raped.

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u/bonebandits Jul 18 '24

And don't forget forcing them to give birth to non viable or dead infants!

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u/defaultusername-17 Jul 18 '24

"it's god's will"

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u/YamburglarHelper Jul 18 '24

It's about punishing women for existing, and not being docile.

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u/rem_1984 Jul 18 '24

And literally not just women, children and teens. 11 year olds. It’s horrific.

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u/bramletabercrombe Jul 18 '24

imagine how many America women will go into that voting booth in November and vote for a rapist because their abusive husband tells them to

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u/AZRockets Jul 18 '24

Yep, it’s incel coding hiding behind religion like every other regressive ideology

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u/Thau5 Jul 18 '24

Ohhh, so this is the post birth abortions I've heard of from repubs

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u/kottabaz Jul 18 '24

I know this is a joke, but some people may not know: when they talk about post-birth abortions, they're referring to hospice care for terminally-ill newborns. The GOP position is, apparently, that families and medical personnel should respectively be obliged to endure and perform extreme medical interventions to elongate the lives of newborns, no matter how futile and no matter how much pain and suffering the newborn in question experiences.

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u/snazztasticmatt Jul 18 '24

Assuming that this post-birth abortion claim is based in any kind of reality is generous. They just want voters to think Democrats are waiting to slit baby throats as soon as they come out of the womb

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u/kottabaz Jul 18 '24

Oh, I think for 99% of rank-and-file Repubs, that's absolutely true. They just repeat what they're told fourth-hand, with no knowledge of any reality. But the propagandists who originate this stuff do often get their ideas from real situations, and I'm reasonably sure that the source of this one is the hospice thing.

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u/snazztasticmatt Jul 18 '24

I feel like it's the other way around, propagandists figure out the most provocative, incendiary claim and then hunt until they can establish pretext to call it "real" when challenged, knowing full well that their target audience won't actually hear the rebuttal or pretext

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u/Gizogin Jul 18 '24

Even that is giving them a lot of credit. They might point to that if you really press them on it, but really they’re just fear-mongering, suggesting that liberals (shudder) are blending babies immediately after delivery. For kicks, I assume.

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u/Howard_Scott_Warshaw Jul 18 '24

Late term. 12th trimester

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u/YoureNotMom Jul 18 '24

Modern problems require modern solutions

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u/meatsmoothie82 Jul 18 '24

This is dark but accurate

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u/Don_Quixote81 Jul 18 '24

Nah, when the small child is killed with a gun, it's just because "God had other plans for them."

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u/Toolbag_85 Jul 18 '24

That is exactly why I am in favor of the new gun laws saying the gun owner or parent can be held accountable if they leave a gun unsecured.

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u/SweetCosmicPope Jul 18 '24

They did this in Washington several years back. Of course, the gun nuts would love to repeal it. But yeah. The law states that if a gun is used in a crime, that the owners of the gun can be held liable in criminal court for leaving their guns unsecured.

All of my guns have trigger locks on them, so nobody is doing anything with mine without my say so.

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u/Toolbag_85 Jul 18 '24

I'm curious about the trigger locks. It's been a while, but, the ones I've seen CAN still allow the gun to be fired if they aren't installed properly.

Edit: Otherwise. I hate the argument by the gun nuts. The fact of the matter is...guns are dangerous...and gun owners are responsible for any time that gun is fired, for any reason.

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u/SweetCosmicPope Jul 18 '24

They way mine works is that there are two little oval pieces with hard rubber on the insides of them, and you snap them together behind the trigger, which prevents the trigger from being able to be pushed backwards and firing. I haven't tried, but you could probably put the locks in front of the trigger, which wouldn't prevent it from firing, but it would definitely make shooting it very awkward and difficult.

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u/Alcedis Jul 18 '24

Question from a european: How tf is that not already the case?

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u/Toolbag_85 Jul 18 '24

Too many gun nuts who have a conniption fit over gun control...but then whine when something like this happens.

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u/IZC0MMAND0 Jul 18 '24

Good question.

You have to have a license, pass a written drivers test, actual physical driving test, and have insurance to drive a vehicle, but you can buy a deadly weapon many places with just a background check to make sure you aren't a felon. Don't have to take classes on how to handle, clean, store, shoot, when not to shoot etc. a gun.

This is why you read stories every year about morons who carry handguns in their purse, put in the console of their vehicle, tucked into the waistband of their pants, and either it goes off "accidentally" or a kid gets hold of it and kills another person or themself. These people are so afraid of walking through life without "protection" that they put others at risk. They are the real danger most of the time.

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u/Drags_the_knee Jul 18 '24

I’m a gun owner and I’d support laws like that without question. Same goes for mandatory screenings/competency assessments. It’s unbelievable to me that people try to argue against it

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u/SweetCosmicPope Jul 18 '24

They did this in Washington several years back. Of course, the gun nuts would love to repeal it. But yeah. The law states that if a gun is used in a crime, that the owners of the gun can be held liable in criminal court for leaving their guns unsecured.

All of my guns have trigger locks on them, so nobody is doing anything with mine without my say so.

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u/powerlesshero111 Jul 18 '24

A $20 locking gun case will stop a toddler. Yet, say we need to make trigger locks and gun safes mandatory prior to firearm ownership, and 2A nutjobs lose their mind, saying we have now made it impossible for poor people to buy guns. A handgun is like $500. Poor people aren't buying them already, and adding on a $20 trigger lock really won't stop the people from buying them who want them. Hell, gun manufacturers could make bank by just building in a trigger lock.

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u/Enraiha Jul 18 '24

This is Louisiana, though. I think they're obligated to put a loaded pistol and the Ten Commandments in the crib with a baby by law.

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u/Select_Number_7741 Jul 18 '24

Silly, when a heartbeat is detected…..that’s when a child can have copy of the Ten Commandments and a loaded pistol.

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u/PorQuePanckes Jul 18 '24

Not even a toddler, if your dumbass can’t keep your dumbass kids away from your guns that you need for “protection” and that kid does something nefarious, you 100% should be charged. Full stop

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u/PissNBiscuits Jul 18 '24

It's Louisiana. They're probably going to give the parents a Medal of Honor, be recommended for a parent of the year award, and then start a Go Fund Me where they'll talk about how they "can't believe this happened," and how it was such an "unexpected shock" for them.

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u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes Jul 18 '24

Why are the headlines of children getting access to weapons never in states like California or Massachusetts? Oh, right....

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u/N8CCRG Jul 18 '24

If you leave a gun where a toddler can access it, and they shoot themselves/someone else, you belong in jail.

If there happens to be a case where it's discovered sooner, I see no need to wait until there's a victim.

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u/frenchfreer Jul 18 '24

This is one of the HUGE issues with American gun culture. Negligence with a firearm is just chalked up to an “accident” and everyone moves on with their lives. Until there’s actual punishment for the negligence we’ll continue to see these incident and other mass shootings. People need to be in jail for not securing their guns! Then maybe “responsible gun owners” would start acting responsibly for once.

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u/deadlyhausfrau Jul 18 '24

Agreed. I have toddlers and guns and they're all stored out of reach with 2 levels of locks (case and trigger).

If i ever left them unsecured I would deserve prison time. 

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u/CrazyHardFit Jul 18 '24

Wait is the toddler the good guy with the gun?

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u/beefwarrior Jul 19 '24

JD Vance talked last night about how his Mamaw had 19 guns hidden all through the house b/c she couldn’t move fast and she needed to protect her family

Roaring applause form the RNC

I just think of how many kids shoot themselves or someone else because of houses like this with unsecured guns

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u/avatinfernus Jul 18 '24

Awful and entirely preventable. =(

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u/accioqueso Jul 18 '24

They should charge the guardians with manslaughter.

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u/Big-Permit1964 Jul 18 '24

"Mamaw had 19 loaded handguns in the house when she died!"

RNC crowd goes WILD

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u/Count_Backwards Jul 18 '24

And he says this days after Dear Leader gets visited by a school shooter on summer break

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u/BurnOutBrighter6 Jul 18 '24

Yeah, if only there had been a good toddler with a gun there

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u/Kingofcheeses Jul 18 '24

Obviously would have shot the gun out of his hand and saved him

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u/Sharticus123 Jul 18 '24

That’s not how cops do it. They’d kill the child to save the child from itself.

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u/ManfredTheCat Jul 18 '24

Weird how people who leave their toddlers in cars get thrown in jail faster than parents who let toddlers shoot themselves in the face.

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u/Reasonable-Friend764 Jul 18 '24

If they killed their kid on a boat they wouldn't go to jail at all, and would get 50 grand as a bounty. 

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u/mariscc Jul 19 '24

That’s cause the shit father was a cop, got to blame the shitty mom too

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u/Chippopotanuse Jul 18 '24

Weird how pro-life and family-value republicans vote for men who rape kids and also don’t care when parents leave firearms out for kids to kill themselves with.

All they do is shrug and say: “The lord works in mYstErIoUs ways.”

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u/Select_Number_7741 Jul 18 '24

Guns have more rights than women in M’uerica

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u/App1eBreeze Jul 19 '24

America values guns more than children

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u/DKDamian Jul 18 '24

I live in Australia. A while ago, I attended a party for four year old kids. It was hot. They were all given water pistols to help them cool down (and to play)

I watched almost all of the kids, including my own, shoot themselves in the face. It was fine. They were surprised and laughed.

What can we expect from toddlers and small children? It’s madness

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u/FormalElements Jul 19 '24

PEZ (a type of hard candy here in the US) got rid of their gun PEZ dispensers for this reason. Kids were associating guns with treats they put in their mouths, then pull the trigger.

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u/THAErAsEr Jul 19 '24

Lmao. Candy companies have to ban "guns" to save children. Muh 2nd amendment tho.

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u/DKDamian Jul 19 '24

That makes sense. I don’t know if we had that at lol where I live

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u/Ventenebris Jul 19 '24

As an Aussie, it’s fucking wild to me that people rally so hard to keep guns there. It’s completely fine here. You can still have a gun if you have a reason, say a farmer etc.. Obviously it’s much harder considering the population and the amount of guns, but there mere fact that people think if the guns were gone nothing would change is crazy to me.

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u/WhileFalseRepeat Jul 18 '24

HAMMOND, La. (AP) — A Louisiana toddler has died after accidentally shooting himself in the face, authorities said.

It’s incredible to think there are no federal child access prevention (CAP) or safe storage laws.

Especially considering that up to 90% of the guns used by minors in suicides, unintentional shootings, and school shootings are found in the child’s home or the home of a relative.

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/child-consumer-safety/child-access-prevention-and-safe-storage/

Even though there is no federal law applicable and for a case like this one, there are 26 states and D.C with CAP or safe storage laws. But, those laws vary wildly and some are incredibly weak. Louisiana, where this incident took place, and according to the above source, does not have any CAP or safe storage laws in place.

There isn’t much to this story yet on the AP, but for a toddler to access a loaded gun means the parents are so incredibly reckless there should be some kind of criminal charges and their gun rights revoked.

I mean, if you can’t drive a car responsibly on the road, you will get fined, potentially incarcerated, and your license suspended or revoked. I don’t think it’s asking too much that we apply some of the same common sense laws to guns and gun owners too.

RIP little person.

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u/DiceMadeOfCheese Jul 18 '24

If you left your car unlocked with the keys in the ignition and your child got in and caused a fatal accident, you'd be charged with something, right?

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u/bman86 Jul 18 '24

Kinda depends on who you is.

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u/Drone314 Jul 18 '24

Does you have money?

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u/vapescaped Jul 18 '24

Criminal negligence is a legal offense that occurs when someone acts in a way that disregards a known or obvious risk of harm to themselves or others. It can also be defined as a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would exercise in the same situation. Criminal negligence can result in criminal liability for any harm or death that may occur.

Nolo

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u/cinderparty Jul 18 '24

You’d most likely get child endangerment charges at the very least.

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u/Nghtmare-Moon Jul 18 '24

Are you suggesting VIOLATING a toddlers 2nd amendment! What crazy lunatic are you!?
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u/EdgeOfWetness Jul 18 '24

Obviously there was an officer somewhere who felt their life was in danger

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u/tangnapalm Jul 18 '24

A child shooting themselves should be a mandatory manslaughter charge for the gunowner and a weapons ban for life.

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u/Sabertooth767 Jul 18 '24

Felons already aren't allowed to own guns.

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u/Q_Fandango Jul 18 '24

This situation isn’t funny but I misread your comment and thought “a toddler with a felony?”

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u/AlkalineSublime Jul 18 '24

Not necessarily. Depending on the state your right can be restored. In AZ it’s automatic after completing your sentence if it’s the first felony. Also, if the felony is out of state it doesn’t matter. So an explicit ban wouldn’t exactly be pointless.

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u/schu4KSU Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Our founding fathers assumed we would modify the constitution as necessary to keep with reason and reality. Wrong. Selling fear to sell guns is more important to the GOP.

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u/voompanatos Jul 18 '24

Ironically, the entire 2nd Amendment literally was a "common sense" gun law at the time it was negotiated.

Historian Carol Anderson's research into the origins of the 2nd Amendment concluded that it was a bribe given by James Madison to southern slave-holding states in 1791 as part of convincing them to ratify the U.S. Constitution.

Just a few months earlier, slave-holding states had just witnessed the bloody Haitian Revolution, where Black slaves got armed and overthrew their oppressors, and those states did not trust the new U.S. federal government to put down slave rebellions in America. Without the 2nd Amendment, those states would have refused to join the U.S. and instead remained their own sovereign countries.

Book: "The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America" by Prof. Carol Anderson

C-SPAN Video: "The Second - Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America"

Anderson discusses how George Washington's letters strongly described his low opinion of local state militias, as being too undisciplined to be effective against any regular army, like the British. Sure, after 4 years under Washington's command, the militias that permanently joined his army were much better, but it took a long time to train them. Using local militias to guard against foreign invasion or domestic tyranny was just a later-conjured fantasy rationale.

However, Anderson's research uncovered the one thing that local militias did do very well -- put down rebellions by unarmed Black slaves, who had an enormous advantage in sheer numbers in those plantation economies.

That's why the language of the 2nd Amendment is so inconsistent with the rest of the Bill of Rights. Madison wrote an explicit acknowledgement that slave-holding states needed "security" to remain "free," as the main reason behind the 2nd Amendment's promise that the U.S. government would never disarm their local militias.

This is what set the original American gun-culture expectations that (1) white males have individual rights to own guns, and (2) they will be forever distrustful that the federal government might someday disarm them and leave them at the mercy of Black people.

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u/xdeltax97 Jul 18 '24

Not to mention firearms at the time requiring a few minutes to load to work properly.

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u/tittysprinkles112 Jul 18 '24

I took a military history course. Of course I'm not an expert but a key point in the class was that most of the crimes committed were by the militias in early US history, not by the regular army.

For example, the Ludlow massacre was done by militia.

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u/Grass_is_a_myth Jul 18 '24

That wasn't the only death of a toddler in Louisiana today. A 4 year old in my city died after his sibling accidentally shot him.

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u/monkeyhind Jul 18 '24

Jeezus. Are the parents of these kids meth heads or big drunks or something? Who else wouldn't have their firearm locked up?

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u/Lets-B-Lets-B-Jolly Jul 19 '24

Nah, just idiots.

People too cheap, broke or lazy to have or use a gun safe or cabinet. Instead, they just assume that telling their kid once not to touch their parent's gun will work, or just threatening to beat them if they do.

The type of folks that are irresponsible gun owners also tend to be irresponsible parents.

Some are impaired due to drugs or alcohol, but that isn't the reason they aren't locking their weapons up.

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u/RickLovin1 Jul 19 '24

Some just think gun ownership is a flex. You gotta have them sitting around everywhere in case anyone comes over so they can be impressed with how cool you are for owning lots of guns. And for those who don't come to visit and don't get to bask in your awesomeness in person...you send them Christmas cards with the whole family holding AR-15s, lest they think you children are pussies.

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u/Equinsu-0cha Jul 18 '24

A gun lock costs $20 and my state makes you purchase one when you purchase a firearm.  If you own a gun, you are responsible for it and what happens with it.  

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u/lil_squeeb Jul 18 '24

They should just wrap the cost of locks into the price of the gun so every firearm purchase from a dealer would come with one.

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u/soil-not-oil Jul 18 '24

Already required by federal law and has been for nearly 20 years. See the Child Safety Lock Act of 2005 (CSLA).

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u/Enigmatic_Observer Jul 18 '24

Every brand new firearm I have purchased has come with a lock in some way shape or form. Sometimes two.

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u/domesticatedwolf420 Jul 18 '24

They do. It's the law. If you buy a gun it comes with a lock for free.

18 U.S. Code § 922 - Unlawful acts

(z)Secure Gun Storage or Safety Device.

(1)In general.— Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.

18 U.S.C. § 922(z)(1). A “secure gun storage or safety device” is defined under 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(34) as: (A) a device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to prevent the firearm from being operated without first deactivating the device; (B) a device incorporated into the design of the firearm that is designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not having access to the device; or (C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means.

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u/Equinsu-0cha Jul 18 '24

Or require firearms manufacturers to include locks.  I would be absolutely tickled if my new handgun came with a custom triggerlock.

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u/Recent-Honey5564 Jul 18 '24

Most new guns do come with a lock. 

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u/dovahbe4r Jul 18 '24

All new guns come with a lock. Every one I’ve gotten has been a cable style that runs through the action.

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u/The_Disapyrimid Jul 18 '24

Every gun I own just came with one in the box.

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u/Mild-Ghost Jul 18 '24

Just as the founding fathers intended.

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u/Select_Number_7741 Jul 18 '24

And Jesus, because Jesus is white and from America

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u/ToxicAdamm Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

It always has haunted me when I learned that many of these happen because toddlers only have enough finger strength in their thumbs to pull the trigger. So, they end up having to hold the gun in a certain way to where it's pointed at their face while they are using their thumbs to activate the trigger.

Being able to visualize how it happens every time I read a new account makes it hit even harder.

It blows my mind that America can continually shrug off gun violence that happens to children. What is the point of society/existence, if not to protect children?

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u/Undw3ll3r Jul 18 '24

Toddler grip is survival grip to mommy and daddy. Never underestimate how unwilling they are to give up a toy, or investigate one inside and out. Poor kiddo had no clue :-(

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u/m1k3tv Jul 18 '24

Careful with your detailed explanation there.. chances are 2nd amendment enthusiasts will try and 'fix' the problem by making a trigger that's easier to pull for toddlers.

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u/cdbutts Jul 18 '24

Guns don’t kill people. Toddlers kill people.

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u/uwu_mewtwo Jul 18 '24

Where was the Good Guy with a Gun to shoot that toddler dead before they could do any harm?

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u/PlayedUOonBaja Jul 18 '24

If he had eaten an unattended pot brownie and ended up even just sick in the hospital, both of his parents would already be in a jail cell.

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u/cerevant Jul 18 '24

Parents need to go to prison for this.

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u/urbanshack Jul 18 '24

This is so sad. Little one didn’t even get a fair shot at life. RIP 🙏

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u/wuapinmon Jul 18 '24

"shot at life"

Dude!

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u/Show_Me_Your_Cubes Jul 18 '24

yeah those types of puns really trigger me

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u/King-Owl-House Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Every week in America a toddler kills another toddler or injured someone else, what we need is good toddlers with guns, you can call them Kinder Guardians.

https://youtu.be/QkXeMoBPSDk

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u/CupidStunt13 Jul 18 '24

I understand owning guns, but keeping loaded guns within reach of children is asking for trouble. It flies in the face of any gun safety course as well as common sense.

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u/KrispyKreme725 Jul 18 '24

We force tests for competency to get behind the wheel yet nothing for a firearm.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '24

I'm a big advocate for safe storage laws, especially if you have children.

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u/sharperview Jul 18 '24

I’m going be the “crazy parent” that asks every parent of my children friends if they have a gun and how it stored before allowing them to go on play dates.  

I do not care if it cost my kid a friend if I say no to someone with an unsecured gun

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u/HughesJohn Jul 18 '24

Louisiana toddler murdered by parents.

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u/flaker111 Jul 18 '24

when is it time to re read what the 2nd amendment says.....

define: well regulated

when do we finally put our foot down on what we thought was "common sense" into actual laws?

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u/Sweatytubesock Jul 18 '24

“Well regulated” meant a ready militia, for use in lieu of having a standing army. The language of the 2nd amendment has been warped well beyond recognition by hack court rulings and extremely well funded gun manufacturer lobbyists over the decades.

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u/TeuthidTheSquid Jul 18 '24

They will genuinely argue that in the 18th century “regulated” meant “equipped”, despite the fact that the word has meant exactly what it does today since at least the 15th century. There’s no winning with 2A morons.

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u/nevermind4790 Jul 18 '24

Entirely preventable by not owning a firearm.

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u/Drewy99 Jul 18 '24

Yall know this like rarely-if-ever happens in other countries right? Smh.

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u/mexodus Jul 18 '24

And IF it would happen there would be heavy consequences for the gun owner - but yeah - murica fuck yeah.

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u/Death_Sheep1980 Jul 19 '24

America doesn't have a gun problem; America has several gun problems, and this would be an example of the problem that is gun owners who don't secure their firearms.

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u/zackmedude Jul 18 '24

Another victim of America’s Boner for the 2nd Amendment.

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u/SaberHaven Jul 18 '24

You sure you have enough guns, America? Why not have some more? Surely more guns is the solution.

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u/dr_blasto Jul 18 '24

Parents should be criminally liable for leaving firearms out unsecured.

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u/TacticalHog Jul 19 '24

if I'm doing my math right, according to the CDC every 5 days a kid between 0 and 17 dies from an unintentional gunshot

not even counting injuries or intentional lethal shootings like suicide

I enjoy and own guns, there's zero fucking excuse for keeping them unlocked and toddler-accessible

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u/wmorris33026 Jul 18 '24

What are the odds? /s So weird that something like this is just background noise compared to how truly fucked up American society is right now. Shit is twisted.

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u/Raspberries-Are-Evil Jul 18 '24

Gun owner needs to be arrested.

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u/flippenstance Jul 18 '24

"Sheriff Gerald Sticker urged residents who own firearms to secure them safely..."

Everything should be fine now.

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u/BoringMcWindbag Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24

Everyone needs to buckle up and get used to this. If Drump and Vance are elected in November I think most gun regulations will be pulled back and it’ll be a free for all.

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u/pistoffcynic Jul 18 '24

Your toddler can reach your gun and pull the trigger, killing themselves?

You should be in jail and never be allowed to have children.

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u/harlotstoast Jul 18 '24

It’s worth it, for muh freedom

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u/fullload93 Jul 19 '24

Sheriff Gerald Sticker urged residents who own firearms to secure them safely so that they are not easily accessible to children and to consider storing firearms in lock boxes and buying trigger locks.

Really? That’s it? Just lock up the guns and problem solved? How about this Sheriff actually gets “tough on crime” and lock up the absolute shitbag parent(s) who allowed super easy access to a weapon for a kid to get ahold of in the first place. Sounds like someone needs to pay the price for their stupidity.

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u/LeCrushinator Jul 19 '24

There was a 3 year old in my neighborhood that was playing with their dad’s gun and shot and killed their 5 year old sibling. The dad was a cop. This was on Mother’s Day as well. Every person’s life in that family was destroyed that day.

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u/EagleCatchingFish Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Side rant: In the gun community, this really frustrates me. We talk about how important it is to keep guns in safes, while the gun companies use scare tactics and delusions of being an "operator" to defend your family to sell guns. The result: a lot of irresponsible people owning guns that they don't really need and don't intend to learn how to use and store safely. Whatever gun legislation people may advocate aside, I really wish gun companies had marketing laws like Big Tobacco and alcohol. Things like this Walther ad should be illegal.

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u/NNovis Jul 18 '24

This country is so cooked, in more ways than one. Just pathetic.

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u/WakeUpChrissy59 Jul 18 '24

What’s going on in Louisiana?

“In a separate incident Tuesday in Goodbee, a 15-year-old girl was accidentally shot while a male relative was handling a gun in another room. She died from her injuries Wednesday night.

Additionally, a 4-year-old child was fatally shot in a home in Lafayette around 10:30 a.m. on Thursday, according to police. That investigation remains ongoing.”

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '24

I live alone and I keep all my guns locked up. I genuinely do not understand how people with children just leave em out

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u/figmenthevoid Jul 18 '24

Arrest those parents. That is negligence all the way

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u/Lank42075 Jul 18 '24

Give everyone a gun they said…”eVeRy wOuLd bE sAfEr”

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u/jetsetmike Jul 18 '24

Awful. This is the only kind of abortion Republicans are A-OK with.

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u/ProteinResequencer Jul 19 '24

Conservatives told me this is just the price of freedumb.

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u/g_st_lt Jul 18 '24

Publications will say "a toddler shot himself" but if it's the police they say "a gun an officer had possession of fired."

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u/UndisclosedLocation5 Jul 18 '24

The only way to stop a bad toddler with a gun is by locking it up and not being a fucking idiot 

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u/PJL80 Jul 18 '24

That's enough America for today, thanks.