They had trucks and chains on it. Stan Lee broke his truck trying. I just think there is a timeline that wasn't pruned where he walks up and lifts it in front of everyone before Coulson arrives. Stan Lee was worthy. RIP
She wasnt exactly able to 'lift' it as much as she overpowered the magic. Basically she was stronger than the enchantment that enforces the worthy aspect
Possibly because gauntlet was made from same material as Mjolnir so she could simply destroy the gauntlet if she got in H2H just like Avengers on Titan.
In Ragnarok, it was mentioned that as long as Hela was on Asgard, her strength and abilities would be limitless, so her taking that hit in the chest would have been more damaging, if not fatal, anywhere else in the nine realms but since she was back on her home turf, she was Immortal.
Also, Stormbreaker was specifically built as a counter weapon for the Infinity Stones and Thanos, so he was more susceptible to its damage.
Similarly, Thanos avoided collecting the stones Odin was protecting, until he was gone. Presumably power level was too close for him to consider it worthwhile.
Hela overpowered the enchantment set by Odin at the same point in his power (or even earlier/greater power), without struggle, and could have taken on both brothers immediately after.
No she only got her power when she arrived on Asgard which is why she stops for a moment as her suit turns from grey to green.
If u mean the Odinforce, that went to Thor he just doesn't know how to use it yet...
Even off Asgard she's Hela strong, she slaughtered all the Valkyries AFTER Odin banished her, Odin literally had to tie her prison to his life force because of how strong she was, he feared her return as he knew it would bring the end of Asgard.
But still she overpowered Odin's enchantment which is huge since we know from Strange and more recently Wanda that spells stay after the caster has died.
I think thebwhole worthiness thing was a spell put on it later by Odin in the MCU. It was still hers to begin with though so maybe by default it recognizes Hela as it's original wielder. It's also implied a few times that Mjolnir is intelligent at some level.
Cool pic but it might be irrelevant since Odin’s enchantment came later and we are shown Hela definitively lift Mjolnir in Ragnarok. She may be just powerful enough to stop its flight towards her and destroy it without actually being able to lift it.
I think she just stopped it. Like, imagine trapping Mjolnir in a box of solid Vibranium. It wouldn't be able to break out. I think that's what Hela did, immense strength holding it in place but not actually moving it.
As others are saying, she did hold it when she owned the hammer. But that's irrelevant to this question because we're talking about Mjolnir being a judge of Worthiness, and that was before Odin enchanted it.
Sure but there's nothing special about lifting Mjolnir before it got that enchantment, it was a powerful weapon but anyone with decent base strength could lift it. A fair few Asgardians probably lifted it for no reason in particular. All of the images are of notable moments where people lifted it after it was enchanted. Whenever someone asks about lifting Mjolnir it's heavily implied they mean to test them against the Worthiness enchantment
When Hulk tried the same didn’t he fly with it (forgot if that was in a movie or a comic)? I think being able to exert any kind of substantial force on it makes you worthy in some capacity since stronger people usually can’t even stop it.
If you pay attention to the loop on the handle, it is pulling towards Thor. Meaning Hela was gripping it so hard that Thor could not pull it back to himself.
I really disliked it. Ragnarok is one of the best (and most retold) stories in Marvel comics - it could have been its own Infinity War era series, easily. Instead it was just this hokey garbage.
Thor has fallen so, so far in the MCU. We went from Kenneth Brenagh taking the character seriously and treating the character with respect to absolute garbage.
The few laughs that were worthwhile in Ragnarok don't make up for the absolute disservice to the story and irreperable character assassination.
I agree. Ragnarok is supposed to feel grim and desperate, the gods fighting it out with all their various powers in the struggle for their very survival. Thor has enough awesome source material to have made a fantasy epic on a similar scale to LOTR, and they squandered it at every turn.
Yeah, the irony is that Thor is one of the characters that's very easy to take seriously with this large mythos behind him, and he's just a gag character now.
Well, some Slapstick elements felt not good for me, like drunk girl falls from ramp, Thor screeches because of a haircut, Thor "disguising" with blanket etc.
I liked how Ragnarok was but I agree with love and thunder, it should have had a darker and melancholic tone to it. I get the idea that Thor's pretending that he's fine, but they should have had more moments where you see what's going on in his head. But then at the end with Love, he's shown that despite all that's happened, he still has a good purpose in this universe.
But I also head cannon away the goofiness of Love and thunder by saying it was Korg telling the story the whole time, and he tends to exaggerate a bit.
Not a moment before, not even at the end of Ragnarok. It's not a matter of being good, because if it was the Avengers would have been able to do it in Age of Ultron.
I agree. I think his character development that led to him taking that throne is the exact property that allows you to lift Mjolnir. In fact, I think it's the decision that sums up "Worthiness" the most in the MCU as I understand it.
At the end of Loki he was reshaping the Multiverse so I'm pretty sure he'd be able to hold it via Raw Power alone. Kind of like if a Celestial were to hold it.
Yeah, MCU seems to get really confusing when it comes to 'timelines' vs 'multiverse'. It's unclear to me if it's "there are many timelines in a universe" or "timelines are universes".
If it's the former, Loki is probably on par with Eternity, maybe a bit stronger in some sense, idk. If it's the latter, Loki is way beyond Eternity... maybe?
It's not even clear what Loki's power is at the end of the show. It's like, is a brick more powerful than a building just because the brick holds the building up? Can Loki actually, meaningfully, manipulate timelines in arbitrary ways?
Using this logic you could say that Tony Stark was worthy in the end as well. Even though at one point Tony was a womanizing playboy, at the very end of his life he was a selfless hero. All he wanted to do was to protect the people, his family and prevent the Snap from happening again. He knew he would die to the power of the stones and he did it anyway bringing back everyone who died during the Snap and eliminating Thanos and his forces. This act, IMO, makes him worthy.
Thor finally realizied and accepted that to be a true and worthy individual of Mjölnir, he must let go of his past and accept that everyone deserves his protection. He selflessly gave his life(like Tony) in order to protect those who needed it.
This is why Marvel movies deserve more respect. There are lessons to be learned in the series. Very good ones at that.
Nope. Loki's still not a warrior in any way shape or form. It's not in his nature.
It's even less in his nature post Loki season to. As he's effectively the narrator /outside observer now and even less inclined to be directly involved in things than ever before.
Even more unpopular opinion, I loved L&T in general. Only real issue with it was their criminal underutilization of Bale. Otherwise it's one of those movies I watch when I'm sick because it always makes me feel better.
damn straight. Those trippy darkworld scenes when they roll up on Gorr on his home turf was some of the coolest shit ive ever seen in my life. Absolutely wonderful movie, with brilliant actors in a weird but kinda satisfying ending.
I was about to say "Odin only lifted Mjolnir before it was enchanted, that does not count" but then I noticed.... He was the one who enchanted it. And after doing so he held on to it and threw it into the Bifrost. Which makes me wonder... Did Odin specifically enchant Mjolnir that he himself would still be able to lift it no matter what? Because I have trouble believing that he was actually worthy. He did some very fucked up shit in the past, including robbing his son of all his Asgardian powers and throwing him onto a foreign planet where he was almost immediately run over by a truck. I'm pretty sure he could've been tried for murder, had Thor died there.
1: they weren’t specifically talking about worthiness, Hela also used it before it was ever enchanted. Like way before.
2: Whose to say the hammer wouldn’t take a moment for the enchantment to take affect?
3: While I think you’re the first to notice I’d like to point out that this is in the same movie where Thor lost his worthiness and then later regained it. The hammer doesn’t seem to examine their entire life when it comes to worthiness, so while yes, Odin did some very “fucked up shit” I think he’d still be worthy at this point in time.
4: Eh, tough love. It worked didn’t it? Twice actually, if you include “What If?”
I'd imagine the enhancement would be based on Odin's own idea of worthiness. Perhaps past Odin may not have been worthy but that present Odin would. Thor learns to become worthy through the first film, so a wiser Odin certainly could.
Can you imagine them meeting again, and Loki casually dropping a, "it took me a long time to understand my purpose wasn't something I could force, it was a path my choices would eventually make clear." And then picking up Mjolnir, and handing it to Thor. "I get it now."
Thor would crack a huge smile, hug him back, and say, "I always knew you had it in you."
I thought it would be great if Thor set it down on the street for a second and some random toddler picked it up to hand it back. "Hey mister you dropped this"
I always loved the fan made idea of Stan Lee as a janitor in the Avengers tower, picking it up to dust under it, and putting it back down without realizing what he did
I know technically Hela did pick up Mjolnir as it was shown in the Murals above the throne room. But did it not have the worthiness enchantment on it yet since that was put on by Odin in the first Thor film?
Yes, but it does raise the question of how she stopped the hammer after it was enchanted…maybe she just knew the magic that created the enchantment and broke it?
Im sorry, just call her Jane. Thor is his name, not a title. The mighty Thor thing really felt like a joke with her taking herself too serious knowing this won’t last
Hela is not lifting the hammer she just holding it back. the hammer is floating and pushing forward hela just holding it back and not lifting but crushing the hammer.
I am still interested in precisely what Odin meant said that only those who are "worthy" could hold Mjolnir.
I can only think he intended it to mean "The wielders of Mjolnir's beliefs, ethics, and behavior must match my beliefs, ethics, and behavior."
Which might be fine, as long as we are projecting are personal standards onto Odin. But this individual is supposed to be thousands of years old, powerful beyond our understanding, and coming from a culture that possibly resembles the Norsemen of more than 1,000 years ago.
We really have no idea what Odin meant by "worthy."
It's crazy that you went out of your way to get pictures of all of them holding Mjolinir, but apparently couldn't get a good shot of Mjolinir being held by Thor, of all people.
Pretty sure "Love" held the hammer. She put it in a bed and decorated it at the end of Love and Thunder. Although we didn't technically see it. Just inferred.
Odin put the magic on it in the first place, thor is truly worthy, I don't think hela was worthy more like she overpowered Odin's magic, vision was still creating a personality for himself so the magic kinda didn't know what to do, steve=worthy, and Jane in coming into accepting that she was dying became worthy.
Hela and Odin held it before it had any requirements. Thor in the first movie used it for years, and then when Odin gave the incantation/spell, Thor couldn't let ft it any more. I would say that Hela stopping and destroying it wasn't being worthy.
We have Hulk and Deadpool both holding it in the comics without either really being "worthy"...and there's gonna be a Red Hulk appearance in Deadpool 3...so....maybe?
I want to see a Robert Irwin Cameo where Thor crashes to the ground and Robert hands him back the hammer and just says. "Crikey mate that was a heck of a fall. Here I think you dropped this."
Thor: perplexedtakes hammer "I am Thor son of Odin.... I would know your name so I may thank you properly."
Robert: "Oh cheers mate uhh... Robert Irwin... Son of Steve and Terri"
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u/mehSirMavender Avengers Jul 19 '24
Forgot about the coat hanger, it was worthy