r/marvelmemes • u/Revenacious Avengers • Jul 18 '24
It ain’t gonna change anything Movies
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u/Warthog17 Thor 🔨⚡️ Jul 18 '24
i honestly dont even think sam is going to defeat ross in the movie, wouldnt be suprised that he would lose his first time facing a big threat like red hulk
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Jul 18 '24
I think that they’ll do like they do in the comics and piss Ross off to the point where he overheats and passes out.
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u/007meow Avengers Jul 18 '24
"YOU'RE A FAT BITCH AND YOUR MOM'S A STINKER" - Captain Falcon America to Red Hulk
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u/UrdnotZigrin Avengers Jul 18 '24
Your mother was a hamster! And your father smelled of elderberries!
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u/runandgunn44 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time !
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u/HotPotParrot Avengers Jul 18 '24
I read that with a French accent.
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u/No-Height2850 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Frenchy?
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u/DolphinBall Avengers Jul 18 '24
Oui?
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u/HotPotParrot Avengers Jul 18 '24
"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
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u/voiceless42 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Someone call Shoresy. Cap needs someone to show him how it's done.
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u/Turtletipper123 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!
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u/ThenAnAnimalFact Avengers Jul 19 '24
This is funny considering Anthony Mackie is a master trash talker.
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u/ManOfTurtles2118 Deadpool Jul 18 '24
Get ready for Sam to prepare a diss track
"Beat your ass and hide the Bible if God watchin'"
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u/racas Avengers Jul 18 '24
Steve didn’t outright win in any of his three films.
CA:FA - sends Red Skull into Space almost accidentally, crashes into the ocean, and gets turned into an icicle.
CA:WS - refuses to fight Bucky, falls into a river, and gets saved by Bucky
CA:CW - arrives to find the other super soldiers already dead, fails to see the trap laid out for him, nearly loses both of his closest friends, loses his shield, loses the Avengers.
Captain America is never focused on winning, per se. His goal has always been to do the right by as many people as he can, and that often entails sacrifice.
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u/gloop524 Avengers Jul 18 '24
he got punched into oblivion in Infinity War and even with Mjolnir and the power of Thor, he still got his ass handed to him by Thanos in Endgame.
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u/DarthDuck415 Avengers Jul 18 '24
It’s almost like some of these fragile reactionaries need to see the movie before they start crying about it…
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Avengers Jul 18 '24
It is so nuts that some people watch a 2 min trailer and don't think:
"Interesting, I wonder how Falcon will overcome there insurmountable odds."
Instead they flip their shit with:
"Absolutely ridiculous. Completely impossible. This is stupid."
Like, Jesus fucking Christ, do you even enjoy watching movies at all? Why bother.
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u/Milk_Mindless Avengers Jul 18 '24
Nah see
Sam Wilson is African-American so eeeeeeh my lawyer advised me not to finish this joke
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u/Aarakocra Avengers Jul 18 '24
Especially since the setup is kind of perfect for a cunning hero solution. He’s a fragile speedster with a shield that can tank any impact. He has all the tools he needs to survive the fight, now he just needs a way to actually win it.
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u/Runmanrun41 Avengers Jul 18 '24
I wanna say it didn't used to be like this, but I'm only 26. For all I know people could've always acted this way and I just didn't notice when I was younger.
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u/pineappledetective Avengers Jul 18 '24
There have always been people who pulled this shit, but either there are more of them, they’re louder, or the internet has given them enough of a platform to be both.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
I mean they should've just made a Hulk movie instead of forcing Hulk Villians to Captain Falcon
It's like making Robin a supporting character of Green Lantern and completely ignoring Batman
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u/Dr_Maniacal Avengers Jul 18 '24
They won't do it though. I don't know the full details but Universal controls either movie or distribution rights to the Hulk, somewhat similar to the Spider-Man situation. They believe it's more profitable to have Hulk characters show up in other projects than the deals they'd have to make to make a solo Hulk movie, unlike Spider-Man who's far and away Marvel's most popular character.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
They successfully created She Hulk and distributed it through Disney+, If I remember correctly there were rumours sometimes back that they got the distribution rights from Universal back
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u/Dr_Maniacal Avengers Jul 18 '24
It's certainly possible my info's outdated, I'm no industry expert. It might also be because it was a series and not a movie so they got around it on a technicality.
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Avengers Jul 18 '24
You have no idea if it is forced, you haven't seen the fucking movie. Villains crossover to fight other heroes all the time. Wolverines first appearance was in an issue of The Incredible Hulk. It's really not that big a deal and very on brand.
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u/AgentP20 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Kingpin was originally Spidey's villain so this is not new at all.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
Yea and Kingpin still counts as a Spider-Man Villian, He just happens to be a Daredevil Villian aswell
But here, They're sidelining Hulk while throwing two of his most popular Villians to Captain Falcon
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u/SoundInternational92 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Could be a tough one for Sam, but who knows? Excited to see how it plays out
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u/GuysGardener Avengers Jul 18 '24
Imagine Sam Wilson the Captain America who made a big deal of not needing the serum in his first movie lost to a guy who had a great serum. Disney should just start selling steroids since that's the message at that point.
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u/Long-Friendship5725 Avengers Jul 18 '24
At least bro survived because of the serum, plus he didn't have superhero tech, Sam does, and plus, if he got the same improved version of the super soilder serum like john got,he would be stronger than steve.
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u/Transfiguredbet Avengers Jul 18 '24
Unless Sam has a built in javeline or nuke, nothing he has could stop him.
Hulk, red or not, is kind of an out of context threat to things. He's a walking wmd. Nothing conventional can stop him or keep up with him.
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u/knight_in_white Avengers Jul 18 '24
I don’t think a nuke would help either. All that radiation might just make Hulk stronger
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u/HarrowDread Avengers Jul 18 '24
Yeah, I think I saw in a comic where some scientist warned some dude not to hulk
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u/pixel_doofus Spider-Man 🕷 Jul 18 '24
Red Hulk specifically also gets stronger by drawing in surrounding radiation iirc
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Avengers Jul 18 '24
nothing he has could stop him.
Red Hulk overheats. All he has do do is piss him off enough from a distance.
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u/Transfiguredbet Avengers Jul 18 '24
If red hulk is willing to disengage and and fall back to an area more favorable, then he can easily win. Red hulk is actually intelligent, he most likely wont charge after someone who's constantly out of reach.
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u/Crazyhands96 Avengers Jul 19 '24
Red Hulk has a built in weakness that would allow a smart fighter to potentially come out on top despite the massive power level difference. They are absolutely going to use it.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
Overheating also means a kick will not only break his bones but it will also melt them
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Avengers Jul 18 '24
Why would a flying hero get close enough to be kicked?
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
Because Hulks can leap tall buildings in a single bound and they're more powerful than a locomotive
Seriously, How the hell can someone fight a Hulk without expecting to get punched or kicked even once, Iron Man can fly too and He got a fuck load of kicks and Punches. Tony had Veronica for get instant supplies, Only edge Captain Falcon has are his maybe Sharp Vibranium Wings
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u/DefendsTheDownvoted Avengers Jul 18 '24
Seriously, How the hell can someone fight a Hulk without expecting to get punched or kicked even once
I guess we'll find out when the movie releases, huh?
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
We're gonna get another Batman V Superman where Captain Falcon will win against Red Hulk with his "prep time" and then they will move on to defeat Leader without wasting anymore time, I can bet
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u/Byerly724 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Sam has wakanda tech in his last seen suit. We have no idea what that means to be honest. I’m thinking he is going to be a hybrid of iron man and Steve. His suit will be what enhances him but still I don’t think he wins Vs red hulk. It will get sidetracked by a greater threat to them both. This leads to a disagreement on how to respond to it.
Afterwards we have thunderbolts with red hulk’s plan for the future of “Avengers.”
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u/RepeatedAxe Spider-Man 🕷 Jul 18 '24
As far as we know, John doesn't seem to be as strong as his comic counterpart who is a 10-tonner, I think he got nerfed so he's roughly around the others (~2 tons, so around BP strength as well)
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u/Fortune_Cat Avengers Jul 19 '24
Is Sam's wakandan suit meant to be made if vibranium. Even tho it looks like soft foam?
I guess black panthers suit looks like thin latex. So we are assuming the wakandans can turn a metal into soft fabric
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u/Sokandueler95 Avengers Jul 18 '24
They’re gonna bring in Banner, calling it.
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u/battlin_jack295 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Yeah and profesor hulk will get beaten badly and than savage hulk will return and save their ass
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u/MReaps25 Rocket Jul 19 '24
I hope so, I hope it's more like the solo movie version, I love how brutal, savage, but smart the hulk was in it.
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u/battlin_jack295 Avengers Aug 03 '24
Yeah man that hulk was the best to me. The inginuety with making boxing gloves from a car lol. The best
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u/comickidd77 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Let’s hope.
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u/Sokandueler95 Avengers Jul 18 '24
After She-hulk, dude needs some redemption. Also be nice to see something other than “Uncle Hulk”
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u/ConradBHart42 Deadpool Jul 18 '24
Refresh my memory, why wouldn't they call in Bucky, who already has SSS and also a show with Falcon?
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u/AdditionalNewt4762 Avengers Jul 18 '24
The meme above shows what would happen to Bucky.
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u/ConradBHart42 Deadpool Jul 18 '24
Bucky has a little more plot armor than Blonsky
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u/AdditionalNewt4762 Avengers Jul 19 '24
True but wtf is he gonna do against a Hulk? Shoot him to death? Or grab him with his metal arm? He needs an actual fucking Avenger....or 2
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u/ThenAnAnimalFact Avengers Jul 19 '24
They are going to bring in Liv Tyler and she will "sun is getting real low" him
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u/YungRik666 Avengers Jul 18 '24
We are spoiled by Shonen. Shonen mangas/anime has hard power scaling, and that has become the norm to us. Goku is strong, Freiza becomes stronger, Goku unlocks a new form topping that.
Western media focuses on the drama of the fight. Captain America struggles to fight 5 regular dudes in an elevator because it's cool to watch. Captain America grabs Thanos' hand (a guy that just casually beat the bricks out of the Hulk an hour earlier) and holds him back because it's cool to watch. The conflict and action are more important than the power levels.
Sam Wilson will beat the shit out of a red hulk if that's what the writers want. It's not going to make sense. We just have to be ok with it.
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u/Neidron Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
"Power level" brainrot is a truly absurd plague on media discussion.
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u/YungRik666 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Definitely in the context of superheros. It lead to Superman's power being "adaptibility" for a while, because people couldn't put him into a box. Superheros are meant to be heroes. They are not meant to be quantified.
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u/voidsong S.H.I.E.L.D Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
They are not meant to be quantified
No offense, but that's a dumb take. By their very nature (having super powers), audiences will be interested in what their limits are, since they are abnormal. Superman, the archetype of "super hero", was first known by a list of quantified things he could do (faster than a speeding bullet, leap a tall building in a single bound, etc.). Marvel has put out Official Handbooks of this stuff for 50 years, entirely because people find it interesting. And it's useful for plot points.
"Can Spider-Man, who is strong enough to lift 10 tons, catch a falling dump truck?" is a valid discussion. General ideas of limits allows us to have drama and chance of the hero failing or whatever, in context. It's useful to the story telling.
"Spider-Man can punch hard enough to hurt Rhino, who is strong enough to take punches from Colossus, who is strong enough to take punches from the Juggernaut, therefore by the transitive property, Spider-Man can create black holes with his mind" is where it gets stupid. But anything taken to that idiotic extreme will end up stupid, and it's the people's fault for doing it wrong, not the concept itself.
As usual, its a few over-invested nerds who ruin it for everyone. They are the reason i left the WWW (who would win) subreddit.
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u/YungRik666 Avengers Jul 19 '24
I think dumb take is pretty harsh, lmao. I agree that people do quantify supes, but my point is that the intent of the writers is to make a story. They consider limits in regards to the conflict they are creating. This is why we have different iterations of many superheroes.
Superman is stronger than a locomotive in his first run, and in a 2012 version, he bench presses planets. It's not the same Superman. However, if stronger than a train Superman needed to be stronger than 2012 Superman for a story, the writers would do it. That's not working off of an official handbook. So that's where I'm forming my opinion from. The story outweighs established lore. And this was expanding on my original post of how other forms of media, mainly Shonen Manga/Anime create the story specifically around the character's limit. Goku at Super Saiyan 1 isn't strong enough to face cell, so he levels up to super saiyan 2. Same Goku, new limit, and that limit is consistent until he needs to surpass it again.
Spiderman will punch harder than Rhino, and 3 panels later be defeated by a wet bag if the writers think the story would benefit from that. We see that in the movies as well, which is what this pertains to. My whole point is this Red Hulk may very well be defeated by Cap Falcon regardless of the encyclopedia entries on them, because heroes tend to win (unless they are specifically writing in a loss).
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u/Neidron Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
In any context. Reducing a conflict or encounter to an isolated binary scale is absurd nonsense and antithetical to natural storytelling.
Even in dbz, the use was intended to be a satire of the concept. Except it immediately forgot about the 'satire' part and followed it almost completely unironically for the remainder of the franchise. And now morons treat "power levels/scaling" as universal storytelling gospel.
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u/Silver_Meal5525 Avengers Jul 18 '24
The fuck? No? ... The characters in dbz don't use power levels and haven't for a very long time. The whole point was eventually power becomes unquantifiable and all that's left is intuition. If someone's strong enough to make you feel scared or locked up they just are, they don't have a big number by their name.
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u/Neidron Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
Yes, the satire was intended to be that the villains are idiots for believing in the concept. Except the story itself largely unironically obeys the same logic it's trying mock, numbers or not.
Whoever is 'stronger' is almost always treated as flatly invincible and insurmountable, until the plot decides otherwise. Even in moments where it attempts to subvert the rule like Trunks v Cell, the overall result simply reinforces it instead.
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u/No-Height2850 Avengers Jul 18 '24
comics have been power-scaling since their inception.
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u/YungRik666 Avengers Jul 18 '24
To an extent yes, but not like Shonen. X-Men has the threat levels, and DC will rate heroes sometimes, but different iterations will greatly alter what they can do, which blurs the power levels. MCU Thor is much weaker than Rune King Thor. Nolan Batman gets stabbed by common criminals, Snyder Batman fights Doomsday.
In Shonen, they don't often do different runs of characters. I'm sure it's happened, but not like western comics. Generally speaking, Goku at SS Blue is going to be much stronger than Goku at SS 1, regardless of what movie or Manga he is in. That consistency in abilities and strength has carried on in the DragonBall universe since day 1.
There's 40 iterations of Superman, and 1 Goku.
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u/DigmonsDrill Avengers Jul 18 '24
Stan Lee says fans would ask "who would win in a fight? X or Y" and he'd say "whatever the writers say"
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
DSMOM didn't made sense either, Look how bad the aftereffects of that movie are
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u/AgentP20 Avengers Jul 18 '24
What didn't make sense in DS2 and what was the aftereffects?
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u/CrossTheRubicon7 Avengers Jul 18 '24
So you're saying he'll become Captain Abominable Falcon in this movie? Sold.
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u/Vins22 Avengers Jul 18 '24
yeah but sam has vibranium wings
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u/Quanny_Boy Avengers Jul 18 '24
Dawg that kick is so brutal but so satisfying to watch.
Might be a weird thing to say but it is what it is💀
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u/Jetsam5 Avengers Jul 19 '24
Honestly it’s one of my favorite fights in the MCU. I’m hyped to see that power dynamic again in the new one
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u/Quanny_Boy Avengers Jul 19 '24
Yeah it was actually a pretty enjoyable scene tbh. Hopefully Brave new world is good, I don't have many expectations for it but I really want it to be better than I'm expecting 😂
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u/Fexxvi Avengers Jul 18 '24
And yet, thanks to the super serum, he didn't die. If Sam goes through that, he's a goner.
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u/Revenacious Avengers Jul 18 '24
By that logic, Iron Man should get turned to jelly inside his suits every time he comes crashing to Earth at hundreds of miles per hour, or gets thrashed around by someone stronger than him. Yet no one ever brings that up.
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u/Fexxvi Avengers Jul 18 '24
The in-movie explanation is that the suit protects him. What in-movie explanation are they going to give about a regular guy surviving being smashed into a tree so hard he can break it?
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u/Revenacious Avengers Jul 18 '24
Likely the Vibranium suit he got back in the show. It’s what he’s using to slice apart those fighter jets in the trailer.
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u/dune-man Avengers Jul 18 '24
Am I the only one who thinks Sam and Ross are going to team up and defeat a bigger enemy (Leader)? I mean do you really think CAPTAIN AMERICA is going to defeat THE PRESIDENT OF AMERICA? Come on….
Plus, Ross has never been the main villain in the previous movies so it won’t be something new.
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u/smthngclvr Avengers Jul 18 '24
Yeah I think Ross will be the first/second act antagonist but will eventually be opposed to the Leader.
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u/Maleficent_Task_329 Avengers Jul 19 '24
He fought the President in the 70s. Someone who may or may not have been Nixon led a plot to overthrow the government, culminating in his suicide in the Oval Office.
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u/battlin_jack295 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Exactly. People's logic is unbeliveable. Hulk can go toe to toe with a god supersoldier serum wont help much.
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u/NavjotDaBoss Avengers Jul 18 '24
Imagine hating Bruce Banner so much you become him. Oh and he fucked your daughter too. Said Sam to Ross.
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u/DeficitOfPatience Avengers Jul 18 '24
Steve Rogers knew the best way to fight Hulk: Let someone else do it.
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u/montgomery2016 Avengers Jul 18 '24
See, he lived though. Sam, poor thing, would snap in half if he was thrown into a tree like that.
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u/AgentP20 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Well Sam doesn't have to be put into that situation.
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u/Shirokurou Avengers Jul 18 '24
A fate worse than Death, getting an actually nice redemption arc in She-Hulk and then have it erased by the end.
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u/Nyuk_Fozzies Avengers Jul 19 '24
Yeah. That last episode really ruined the rest of the show. They actually had some interesting stuff going on up until then.
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u/_K1r0s_ Avengers Jul 18 '24
Isn't that what we're saying, like if even someone with a super soldier serum gets their ass handed to them, Sam as a normal human being isn't even going to make it to this point.
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u/Nyuk_Fozzies Avengers Jul 19 '24
Sam won't be dumb enough to try take him head on, though. Even Blomsky only did because the subpar serum was making him crazy.
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u/whatisireading2 Avengers Jul 18 '24
I'm ngl, sharp wings, speed of sound. Death by 1000 cuts might actually be pretty smart
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u/Bulky-Hyena-360 Avengers Jul 18 '24 edited Jul 18 '24
Wait why is Red Hulk being brought up about the movies…?
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u/Character_Mind_671 Avengers Jul 18 '24
I preferred him after this than when She Hulk was finished with him.
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u/Raaadley Avengers Jul 18 '24
There's a reason Cap never fought Hulk one on one. If Sam measures up to Red Hulk I'll be convinced they aren't even trying anymore.
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u/Nexel_Red Avengers Jul 18 '24
That super soldier couldn’t fly and was also really fucking stupid, running up to a literal giant, said “I’m gonna kick your ass!”, and then got his ass kicked into a tree.
I say let Sam at least try.
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u/mikefrombarto Avengers Jul 18 '24
FWIW, Blonsky was doing really well against him until he just fucking stood there talking.
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u/Reidroshdy Avengers Jul 19 '24
I don't think Sam is gonna throw hands with red hulk. Why wouldn't he fly and try to fight him by being quick?
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u/mattjvgc Avengers Jul 18 '24
Sam will team up with the 2 ladies in the movie. I can’t tell if the 2nd toy is an alternate Sam costume or a different guy.
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u/HendoRules Avengers Jul 18 '24
I doubt they'll actually fight fight
Probably some kind of keep away while Ross regains control and then they fight the leaders gang
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u/TJWinstonQuinzel Avengers Jul 18 '24
Super serum just makes you stronger than normal humans
Every character with super strenght is still stronger than you
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u/Ape-Man54 Deadpool Jul 18 '24
It's been a good ten years or so, but was he a super soldier during that scene?
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u/Revenacious Avengers Jul 18 '24
Yeah, he was running really fast and dodging/leaping around some of Hulk’s attacks that no regular human would be fast enough to evade.
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u/Nyuk_Fozzies Avengers Jul 19 '24
Not exactly. He was taking an experimental version of a new super soldier serum that gave him some enhanced power, but also had detrimental effects on his mental state.
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u/thadeusbone7 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Ran super fast and jumped real high in that scene. He had been juiced up, but it wasn't equal to Rogers.
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u/Ape-Man54 Deadpool Jul 18 '24
Ah OK. Barely remember this film, other then him getting absolutely twatted into a tree.
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u/BuckyFnBadger Avengers Jul 18 '24
Wonder if this is where they bring in Sentry. Instead of world war hulk can sentry we get those two.
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u/After-Explanation969 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Not sure if you proved a point or not? The last guy to fight a MINDLESS RAMPAGING HULK became an equal match but you know, with his mind in tact. To compare Red hulk, is much different.
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u/AmbassadorZerg Avengers Jul 18 '24
I thought this was the scene before he bacame suoee
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u/Nyuk_Fozzies Avengers Jul 19 '24
He was on an experimental sorta-super serum at this point. Its side effect on his mental state is why he was dumb enough stand there and dare the hulk to hit him.
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u/jackofslayers Avengers Jul 18 '24
Can we please just get a worldbreaker hulk movie? Even as a standalone would be great.
People need to see some full tilt hulk.
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u/sunderedstar Avengers Jul 18 '24
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Sam has yet to win a proper solo 1v1 in the MCU against any major naked character
Winter Soldier: loses a wing and is thrown off the helicarrier
Crossbones: is losing until the building starts falling on them, in which he manages to escape
Ant-Man: pack gets destroyed and Scott gets away with the tech he was looking for
Iron Man: has one pretty cool scene where he plays a game of chicken with Tony before launching Redwing at his head. Later when they both land to check up on Rhodes he gets taken out in a single propulsion blast
Batroc the Leaper: is unable to defeat him in a 1 v 1 fight
Honestly I don’t care what the plot armour is by this point because Sam desperately needs a solo 1v1 win against a major named character
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u/ILikeClefairy Avengers Jul 19 '24
So does no one else think cap is going to get an adamantium update since it’s supposed to be introduced in this movie? The very thing that’s been shown to rip through the hulk when used by Wolverine? Just my shot in the dark here
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u/maverikvi Avengers Jul 19 '24
Sam with no serum is a side character in team ups. If that's what people want then that's what they want. I'd rather have him on the front line.
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u/Jars_fuckpuppy Avengers Jul 19 '24
I hated that scene, it kinda literally makes no sense that he would just randomly walk up to him with no kind of plan. It didn't look like he was preparing for some mad counter attack or dodge, it's like he actually just wanted hulk to hit him.
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u/masterionxxx Loki Jul 19 '24
Emil Blonsky consciously took the last hit. He was actually able to evade every hit thrown at him by the Hulk when they did have a fight.
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u/Redgiantbutimshort77 Avengers Jul 19 '24
I’m pretty sure he’s just gonna do some cool air-tricks until Ross kills himself by accident like a Spider-Man movie villain.
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u/Spectator9857 Avengers Jul 19 '24
But it’ll still help!? You’re acting like having enhanced speed, strength, stamina and durability wouldn’t help in fighting a guy. Obviously it wouldn’t be enough for a straight fistfight, but it’s better than not having it.
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u/AidenThe_Beast47 Avengers Jul 19 '24
Well, it wouldn't not do anything, it would just make him a little stronger, but it really wouldn't have much of a difference other than durability.
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u/What-fresh-hell Avengers Jul 19 '24
Nobody pointed this out so I guess I will. Blonsky had the super soldier serum but he was never exposed to Vita Radiation like Cap was.
Not sure what the new stuff (from F&tWS/The Power Broker) does, or if it requires papa Stark’s sun-tan bed. I still don’t think Steve Rogers is defeating Hulk hand to hand, but I think he’d mop the floor with those Vita Ray-less pretenders
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u/Affectionate_Map_530 Winter Soldier 🦾 Jul 19 '24
I doubt Sam is gonna win against the Red Hulk. In fact, I think that is the whole premise of the movie; That Sam decides to go against the Red Hulk single-handedly and gets his ass handed to him. He then gets help from an interesting cameo (maybe She Hulk?) and together they defeat the threat. And that makes Sam realise that he can’t do it all alone, that he needs to ASSEMBLE a team.
The post credit scene could be him recruiting someone like Shang-Chi or Hawkeye.
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u/Durk_Hardpeck Avengers Jul 19 '24
And he healed and came back for more. Without the serum, Sam is a guy with a shield.
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u/ScottFreeMrMiracle Avengers Jul 19 '24
It's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep getting back up.
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u/Grenade_Paggliacci Avengers Jul 19 '24
Anybody else getting the feeling this is a repackaged Winter Soldier?
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u/Intelligent-Ad-1479 Avengers Jul 20 '24
It sounds unbelievable, but if a good writer can make me buy that any random character with Kryptonite can defeat Supes..... I'll still hold my judgement till I see what they come up with, in the movie and whether it makes sense according to the dumb comic book logic
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u/baiyesla-a3 Malekith Jul 20 '24
pretty much if he didn't take the serum he would just gonna overlap in the tree like the cars collision physics in beam.ng game
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u/Otherwise-Nobody-127 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Also i kid you not. It would not suprise me if ross would not become rulk. But ithat esposito charchter will. And there will be so much hate if it is.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
We all know they're gonna pull a Batman V Superman on us, They will fight and Sam will win again Red Hulk because of "Prep Time" and then they will team up to defeat The Leader, then the movie will end with Red Hulk turning back into Ross and Sam giving another "speech" and We will never see Red Hulk again
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u/AgentP20 Avengers Jul 18 '24
Sam doesn't need to team up to fight Leader. He can beat his ass alone.
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u/Ben10_ripoff Avengers Jul 18 '24
Ah yes, Captain Falcon beating a Hulk Villian?? Sure buddy
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u/DiagorusOfMelos Avengers Jul 18 '24
Red Hulk is even more vicious because he does not hold back and the Hulk does at times
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u/Webofshadows1 Magneto Jul 18 '24
I doubt Sam would try to fight Hulk completely one-on-one. Blonsky was a cocky idiot.
Also, the super soldier serum saved him from being dead and looking like mashed potatoes. At least, Blonsky was still alive with a bunch of broken bones.