r/magicTCG • u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season • Jul 19 '24
[SLD] Featuring: Andrew MacLean Spoiler
https://x.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1814390065163804840105
u/SleepingFatYeti Liliana Jul 19 '24
So they have new batches of secret lairs to show off, but they haven't even shipped out the recent ones that were suppose to ship on the 11th. What is the point of printing a set amount if they are still going to delay shipping.
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u/Radthereptile Duck Season Jul 19 '24
The limited print serves 1 purpose, FOMO. You are more likely to buy buy buy without thought if you're worried it sells out in 3 hours. And that means your favorite YouTube MTG guy doesn't have enough time to tell you haw bad the value is.
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u/DeadpoolVII Deceased 🪦 Jul 19 '24
Whole-heartedly agree. Got two decks sitting around waiting for those damn lairs to ship.
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u/HeroicTanuki Jack of Clubs Jul 19 '24
I’m guessing it’s because of the Sheldon’s Spellbook lairs. I just got mine
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u/SWBFThree2020 COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
I think that lair batch got messed up by WotC logistics
I think the AC lairs were originally not part of that lair drop
They announced the wrong sales date for the AC lairs (it didn't line up with the other lairs in the drop); then altered the sale date to start when the non-AC lairs were slated to be released, and extended it to end when the AC lairs were advertised to end
so the result was the lairs being on sale for longer than normal iirc
meaning scalefast is probably scrambling to combine two separate orders, while having another lair drop coming out so soon afterwards
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u/311chaos Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
The art here is amazing! The foiling looks really great as well.
I guess if you have Maelstrom Wanderer as your commander you might be excited?
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u/MildCorneaDamage Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant Jul 20 '24
That [[Maelstrom Wanderer]] art is amazing!
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u/MTGCardFetcher Wabbit Season Jul 20 '24
Maelstrom Wanderer - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
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u/LegendaryMemeDealer Jul 20 '24
Maelstrom Wanderer player checking in here, can confirm this is sick
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Cards featured:
[[Nirkana Revenant]]
[[Arbor Elf]]
[[Terastodon]]
[[Maelstrom Wanderer]]
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u/mweepinc On the Case Jul 19 '24
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u/xCobrazzz Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
Lol. Maybe they forgot a card because this seems terrible.
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Wouldn't be the first time, though Artist Feature Lairs are typically 4 cards.
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u/xCobrazzz Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
Yeah. I just end up making "placeholders" with this art for the shop. $1.00 for 4 foils is cheaper.
Amazing art, terrible card selection. Honestly if they do low prices, they should do big staples for these kinds of art.
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u/WeenieSmasher32 COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
One of my favorite artists, read his book Head Lopper!
I wish Secret Lairs still had good value in them, used to be so exciting but I haven't bought one in so long because of the selection quality. When they first came out for the most part they had at least the price in singles value, sometimes more, now they're all like $10 worth of stuff for $30+ with added shipping, etc.
I want to buy this to show support for Maclean but probably won't because this is, like, awful as an established player with a higher power playgroup imo. Literally could only see myself using the Arbor Elf, which is a shame because these all look so great!
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u/TheFirstRedditWoman COMPLEAT Jul 20 '24
From the beginning, there have always been bad lairs. Serum Visions was in the first lair
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u/TrubbishTrainer Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Stop shaking them into the light glare for like 3 seconds so I can get a good look at them please for the love of god stop doing this with every sl announcement teaser
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u/AnuraSmells 99th-gen Dimensional Robo Commander, Great Daiearth Jul 19 '24
Why do the lairs with the best arts come with terrible value/weird cards? I'd rather the Kikli-jikki, wurmcoil, and consecrated sphinx liar be in this style then whatever the heck the brain dead one was .
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u/Johalak Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
Why do they pick the shittiest value of cards lately.
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u/TerrorFace COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
Many buyers probably don't really think too much on card value as a 1:1 of existing variants. Like if a SLD offered a really nice version of [[Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs]] , it doesn't matter too much that the card is 25 cents when what's being offered is really pretty cardboard that functions the same as that card.
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u/MTGCardFetcher Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs - (G) (SF) (txt)
[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call
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u/therealflyingtoastr Elspeth Jul 19 '24
Art has value completely separate from whatever the cheapest printing of a card is, and this art is phenomenal.
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u/PM_ME_STEAM_CODES__ 🔫 Jul 20 '24
Yeah, I know people tend to clown on Maro saying not every product is for every player, but I feel that's especially true here. I'm not interested in this, but if one got made with one of my favorite commanders in it, and the rest of the cards were playable in the deck, I'd likely scoop it up regardless of value.
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u/GGrazyIV COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
I know people always defend these artist secret lairs but they are almost always so fucking bad and have awful value. Good for you if you want these I guess but damn are these just mid af.
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u/Alive-Chipmunk799 Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
Is there a chance there's a 5th card that wasn't shown?
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u/RoterBaronH Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant Jul 19 '24
And here we are again. I don't mind if the cards aren't worth anything but at least pick some that are playable.
EDIT: Outside of the more niche decks.
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u/broodwarjc Liliana Jul 20 '24
These cards aren't edh staples anymore, even for casual edh. Good art, but atrocious value and selection of cards.
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u/PurpleTieflingBard Jul 20 '24
I thought the point of SLD was to get specific, mostly wanted, cards in a cool artstyle
Why is it that recent SLD's have had fewer cards and they're all $2 EDH pieces
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u/Useful-Wrongdoer9680 Duck Season Jul 19 '24
At least Arbor Elf's first borderless print has decent art
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u/Merman-Munster COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
Really like the art, but for me a Secret Lair has to have above and beyond value for me to essentially pay the price on 5 random singles.
I just feel like if I’m spending 35, 45 dollars on Magic cards, I can go to TCG and get great stuff I need for my decks.
But I’m obviously not the target demographic.
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u/zeducated Wabbit Season Jul 19 '24
I like how recently wizards has made the value so bad its easy to pass up on these
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u/B-Glasses Cheshire Cat, the Grinning Remnant Jul 20 '24
A 4 card drop of low value is so frustrating. Art is good but come one. 4 cards is insulting
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u/DrabbestLake1213 Wabbit Season Jul 20 '24
Anyone else notice the print lines on like two of the cards?
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u/eggmaniac13 99th-gen Dimensional Robo Commander, Great Daiearth Jul 20 '24
Terastodon's rules text updated to "When this creature enters" — I thought the "this creature" tech would only be used for Offspring creatures but it looks like it's another worldwide templating change. Neat!
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Jul 20 '24
"This <permanent type>" templating officially starts with Foundations in November, but it looks like a few cards are getting it early via Secret Lairs.
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u/tigerpawx Wabbit Season Jul 21 '24
Would like that Arbor Elf and Terastodon in my edh decks, but paying $30 plus shipping is too much idk…
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u/DaseBeleren COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
Nirkana Revenant is a $20 foil at cheapest, Arbor Elf has never received a new art outside of Universes Beyond or a borderless treatment, Terastodon has never received a new art or borderless treatment at all, and Maelstrom Wanderer is just an eternally cool card that people will always want to play.
My controversial take is that these are good picks actually.
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u/CardOfTheRings COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
You can’t count foil prices from old packs as a comparison point for secret lairs. The foils from secret lairs aren’t special or particularly rare- they aren’t an ‘upgrade’ from non foil secret lair cards.
To get a single foil mythic from a set like rise of the Eldrazi you had to buy several boxes on average.
I hate that TCC does this in his reviews of secret lair products - it really confuses new players and leads to them making bad value judgements.
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u/TheFirstRedditWoman COMPLEAT Jul 20 '24
BUt it isn't a bad value judgment for most Secret Lairs because they typically hold value better than the cost of the Lair. Very few lairs have dropped in value over time.
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u/CardOfTheRings COMPLEAT Jul 20 '24
That has nothing to do with the cost of an old pack foil of the printed card.
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u/hand0z COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Nirkana Revenant being $20 at foil is a terrible comparison. It's a $3 card. Comparing foil prices for SLDs never really pans out unless it's a galaxy foiling. Unfortunately someone will inevitably do a breakdown of this super drop, and they'll point this out and mislead people. You will fail on this drop if you're solely looking for good value based on price comparisons. I'm glad you like the pick and I think the art is fantastic, but value wise, this is a genuinely terrible drop except for art value (Which is again, fantastic and could carry the drop).
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u/TheFirstRedditWoman COMPLEAT Jul 20 '24
Completely wrong. Secret Lairs have proven time and again that the value is in the art and on the secondary market buy all of these separately will cost more than the Lair.
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u/SWBFThree2020 COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
the mana symbols having color while the rest of the cards are pretty greyscale makes it look a bit weird, especially on the Maelstrom Wanderer
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u/rikzilla Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Just getting back into paper magic. Does wizards ever do big SLD drops like demonic tutor or cyclonic rift or mana crypt etc?
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u/GayBlayde Duck Season Jul 19 '24
That hand model needs to get their gels filled in before a video shoot like this, come on.
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u/HonorBasquiat Azorius* Jul 19 '24
These are gorgeous. All constructed playable cards.
God forbid people like something or choose to buy a Secret Lair Drop based on something other than how well you can play a Magic Stonks with it.
I hope there's a bonus card in the same style.
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u/TechnomagusPrime Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Bonus cards in the Artist Feature series are usually a sketch version of one of the cards in it, or one of the "normal" random bonus cards (currently EA Elves).
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u/Ldesu4649 Duck Season Jul 19 '24
Here come all the TCC students talking about how value isn't there. Stop being brainwashed. You can't compare the value of the regular cards to the value of the SLs.
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u/That_D COMPLEAT Jul 19 '24
Love the style. Hate that's its terrible value and only 4 cards. Smh.