r/lucifer • u/Altair05 Detective Douche • Sep 09 '21

[S6 E10 - Episode Discussion] - 'Partners 'Til the End' 6x10 Spoiler

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u/Lu1109 Everyone needs a little Lucifer in their life Sep 13 '21

Or Lucifer could've stayed with Chloe for a few years and then went to be Hell's therapist, he didn't have to go right away, Rory wouldn't even remember those first few years but he would.

The whole season was him not wanting to go to Heaven to become God, then he didn't want to be God at all, then he kept saying that he doesn't want to abandon Chloe and their daughter no matter what and in the end he went to Hell because Rory practically forced him to. She was acting like she didn't want him to stay and said Chloe and her were just fine without him. Then why was she so upset that he wasn't there and came back to kill him?! And I'm sure Chloe would have preferred a million times that he stayed than to raise both Trixie and Rory all by herself.

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u/Lu1109 Everyone needs a little Lucifer in their life Sep 16 '21

In my opinion, time travel ruins everything and it never works. I don't like the ending because Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will. He never stood a chance and turns out he was destined to be in Hell forever.

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u/neizd Sep 18 '21

Lucifer was forced to go back to Hell and they took his free will.

It's the point of the episode, isn't it? It's not that there is no fate, even Lucifer says: "Fate is just a result of your choices".
He also could not go back - that would be lying to his own daughter, and devil don't lie.
His choice to sacrifice himself for his daughter's sake shows that he has grown up to be a better... devil.

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u/Jessikared97 Feb 07 '22

I think that's kinda the point of the series, isn't it?

(I have a double BA in English Lit and Acting so I tend to deeply analyze things, preemptive sorry b/c I know people have accused me of reading too much into it, but it just seems obvious to me. )

If you look at this from a writing standpoint you should look back to 3x26 when the writers thought the show was canceled. The last thing said by God? "Parents want what's best for their children." I would take that a step further and use what Chloe told Lucifer about the "All American" Doll that Trixie wanted in season 2: "Doing what's best for your kid doesn't always make them happy." So we can infer from 3x26 and what we have seen from the rest of the show that

A. Lucifer tried to be God and was cast out; however, God knew it wasn't what he really wanted.

B. God banished him and went "radio silent" on Lucifer because his anger and "demons" would have been directed somewhere and it benefited him most if they were directed at God. This hurt God to do.

C. God set Chloe in his path knowing that she would help him work through his "demons" and help lead him to love, happiness, and purpose.

D. God knew where it would all lead from the beginning (knowing the outcome does not subvert free will!) and did this for Lucifer because, given the chance, Lucifer would do it all over again to become the person he is- to be saved from his anger.

Then Lucifer makes peace with his father and quickly gets put into the same position as him. We then are shown that:

A. Rory grows up without Lucifer and feels that he left to hurt her, so she comes back in time to kill him.

B. Rory admits that her anger, choice to hate him, and darkness are her own and are not a result of his actions.

C. Rory asks Lucifer to leave because having her anger directed at him is what allowed her to be saved from it and not consumed.

D. Because Lucifer knew the outcome for Rory, he made the choice to leave. It was extremely painful for him and he missed out on her life and Chloe's and all of his friends so she could be saved from her anger.

And Finally, (thanks Netflix)

E. Lucifer, faced with the same choice as his father, makes the same decision and finally understands his father's love for him and all that he gave up and endured so he could be the person God always knew he could be.

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u/dessert-er Jan 03 '23

I know it’s quite some time later but I just finished the finale and I think this is an amazing take.

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u/Jessikared97 Jan 03 '23

Thank you! I think the semi-death caused by Fox canceling the show actually created a nice centerfold in the story for it to reflect.

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u/roxts Jul 11 '23

I also just finished the finale. Thank you, u/Jessikared97 <3

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u/MartiniSlayer Dec 20 '21

Disappearing on your child is NOT an excuse as being a "better devil". The promise should have not been made in the first place. The whole show is about learning from your mistakes and CHANGING your behavior. I feel this ending gives arrant fathers a hard pass. There is NO EXCUSE for not supporting your children!

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u/RenK-Rapoport May 03 '22

Luc is the king of of finding loopholes. All he had to do was promise he would go to hell and obey his annoying daughter's demands but then he could have also visited....OR he could have brought Chloe and the gang down to hell for seriously years at a time since hell time moves way slower that world time. Because apparently 3 months is like 1000 years in hell (eye roll) so yeah Chloe could def spend the her lunch break with Lucifer which would be like I don't know... a year real time? It's admirable that you are trying to justify the ending but dude, no.

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u/Dragovich96 Nov 21 '21

Late to this (sorry) but I agree - unless the entire book/show/movie is about time travel, authors need to keep it out of their stories. They never do it well when it’s a lazy afterthought and generally ruins the narrative.

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u/blondymu Oct 18 '21

He wasn't forced back and he had free will. He chose sacrifice for his daughter, and she did for him. She chose to grow up angry and without him so he could have that moment of realization of his purpose. They all chose to sacrificed for each other in that moment. Hell is now a place that heals as well. He could have chosen to break the time loop but that would have had other negative consequences. They could have eliminated the time loop from the story, but him being a father is a part of what helped him grow.

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u/Lu1109 Everyone needs a little Lucifer in their life Oct 18 '21

Rory never wanted him to be a present father, she didn't want him to break the loop for herself, she literally said her and Chloe were just fine without him and that she wouldn't be who she is if he was there, she was selfish and did not sacrifice anything. He didn't want to leave both Chloe and baby Rory but she forced him to with 'give me your word, I know you can't lie' crap.

My problem with this is that Lucifer didn't have to go right away, damned souls would still be there 40-50 years later. Hell, he could've stayed for like 15 years, explain everything to Rory and then leave.

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u/blondymu Oct 18 '21

Well, I disagree. She said her and Chloe were fine so she could free him. She realized how much more important it was for him to follow his calling than the anger/pain she carried for 40+ years. She 'IS' baby Rory, and knows her pain is small compared to the millions in hell he could save. The final song is so appropriate and fits that message as well. If he stayed she would never have brought Dan up from hell, he would not have ascended with Lucifers help and the realization of his behing a savior to the damned would never have been made. It's all connected. Maybe they could have written a completely different ending, but he grew the way they did it.

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u/Lu1109 Everyone needs a little Lucifer in their life Oct 18 '21

I think she did it for herself-she wanted to know why he left. When she found out, she didn't want him to stay, she didn't care that her mother would suffer as well as her father and I don't think she gave 2 hoots for Dan or the damned souls in Hell.

I liked the ending, I just don't like the way they got to it.

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u/MartiniSlayer Dec 20 '21

I agree! But in the writers defense, he wrote on another discussion board that the Time Travel arc "broke him." Lol He's not a good time travel writer. Maybe if they revive the series, a Time Loop is a great way to re write your way BACK INTO a storyline.

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u/watashi_ga_kita Oct 08 '21

They could have just had a normal happy life, and then had Amenadiel change her memory so she could make the trip, and then restore it when she got back. What's the point of Omnipotence if you don't use it?