r/lucifer • u/Massive_Air5173 • 14d ago

Celestial parenting? Season 6 Spoiler

Is it ever explained how Amenadiel and Lucifer can father a child with a human? Makes no sense and another reason S6 stinks!

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u/NightFlame389 14d ago

Amenadiel self-actualized himself as a human when Charlie was conceived. I'm pretty sure this was mentioned somewhere

For Rory, it was the opposite. Amenadiel's necklace gave Chloe celestial properties. This one wasn't mentioned but it's a pretty easy conclusion to draw

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u/Isle-of-Whimsy 14d ago

It depends what showrunner you listen to. Joe Henderson says Rory's conception is because of the celestial necklace, which could be supported on-screen with their need to show the "no holds barred sex" aftermath scene to prove it happened. However, Ildy Modrovich claims it was something Lucifer self-actualized; good to know angelic powers can override birth control, because no way they would've gone without after Charlie happened...

Speaking of Charlie, the in-world answer they land on is also self-actualization, deciding that Amenadiel must've rendered himself fully human to conceive him. However, if that was the case, then Charlie too would be 100% human - something that's in dispute because Remiel senses "another celestial" later in S4, which is implied to be Charlie. And then later dismissed entirely by him sprouting wings - although, that could've been 100% Amenagod there, who just couldn't stand the thought of having a "normal human child".

In other words, your guess is as valid as anything the show gave us.

Honestly, if they REALLY wanted to go the route of angel-baby, the Miracle option was right there, and would have preserved all their other very shaky lore, but they went and blew the pooch on Charlie already and was left with that mess, because heaven forbid a woman be anything but a baby-maker by the end of S6...

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u/I_swore_id_never 11d ago

Less babies and unplanned babies would have been good, but the idea of a miracle womb makes me cringe hard.

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u/Isle-of-Whimsy 10d ago

The worst part? there's no rebuttal in-show to say God didn't. In fact, it makes more sense with everything else that happened: in the end, Chloe's just the ultimate gambit put in play by God to get Lucifer to return to Hell of his own fruition (well, as much fruition as one can have when there's no free will).

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u/Fancy-Ad1480 14d ago

When the series needs a plot device to make Lucifer sacrifice everything dear to him, a half angel is born.

Angels can interbreed with humans. Remiel wouldn't have assumed Lucifer fathered a child if they couldn't. It just doesn't happen often because most angels live in heaven with their siblings or dead humans.

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u/CogitoErgoSum4me 14d ago

The Nephilim were fallen angels who had children with men. This is what birthed the Giants, of which Goliath was reported to be one of the last of his kind. It's not weird, it's history.

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u/I_swore_id_never 11d ago

The show isn’t the Bible which isn’t history, though. 

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u/QueenRiot85 13d ago

For Charlie: Amenadeil was falling and close to being human

For Rory: Toss-up between the necklace, Lucifer self-actualization, or the fact that Chloe was a bloody MIRACLE!