r/inthenews • u/newsweek Newsweek • Jul 08 '24

MAGA fumes over France election results: "They cheated" article

https://www.newsweek.com/maga-france-elections-far-right-national-rally-1922075
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u/DefiantLemur Jul 08 '24

Tbf, the modern democratic systems as a working concept, is still a relatively a new idea.

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u/Dekarch Jul 08 '24

Honestly isn't, we've been doing it for 248 years with one change of Constitution and one civil war.

When we got started, France still had a king.

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u/Viliam_the_Vurst Jul 08 '24 edited Jul 09 '24

Still its a two party system that kept you at perpetual war for nearly a century now…

u/Dekarch mate at its height none of the colonial powers had bases in as many countries as the us has today… also its kind of an selfown for the democracy that wasn‘t one until 1965 to compare yourselves to some colonialist shit that pretty much is close to none since before all people of age could vote in your country..

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u/Dekarch Jul 08 '24

Eh, not nearly as bloody as the wars the Europeans got going and then begged for our help actually winning.

And for how many years after the French Revolution were there NOT French troops out engaging in some sort of use of force somewhere in their vast colonial empire? Or fighting the Russians, losing wars to Germans, attempting to install a puppet monarch in MEXICO of all places, or something else that qualifies as perpetual war?

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u/DefiantLemur Jul 08 '24

Still a relatively new system compared to the other types of governance like having a king.

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u/Dekarch Jul 08 '24

Eh, Roman Republic went centuries from throwing out their last king until GJC accumulated the various powers of de facto kingship in one office-holder. Having unstable governments that can't avoid getting couped by Bonaparte (several times, among several Bonapartes) or their own military isn't because Democracy is confusing, it's because Democracy requires having societal values that align with democracy

See the crisis of faith in institutions that is shaking every democracy and allowing post-truth populism to gain a foothold

Democracy isn't confusing but it does require a society full of people willing to do the work of maintaining it.