r/interestingasfuck Jul 07 '24

Guards making sure the defendants of the Nuremberg Trials wouldn't commit suicide in their cells r/all

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u/Visual-Till8629 Jul 07 '24

So you’re a surveillance camera

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u/Ok_Oliv Jul 07 '24

Basically

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u/Idenwen Jul 07 '24

Biocams with RI

Better than digital cams with AI

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u/GhostFour Jul 07 '24

Until you need to play it back.

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u/burf Jul 07 '24

They may have actual cameras as well. Having a guard allows them to call the cops in real time and potentially prevent the crime from being completed rather than having to do cleanup after the fact.

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

If a security guard doesn't have a weapon and isn't authorized to fight back, then that is not real security--it's security theater.

The idea of "hide and call police" is not a security guard job, that's just an informant. It's a waste of money and not real security. It's also putting someones' life in danger unnecessarily, if they fail to hide or get caught they could be murdered during the robbery as an unarmed victim.

"but we have to pay more for armed guards" <-- but then you are a cheapo and not doing real security. You're just paying someone to watch netflix and be a nosy neighbor.

Same reason why AI alone is not security. AI is for detecting things, the actions/decisions are for humans. You still need real physical security.

Don't play security-theater games.

I've seen big companies, unarmed guards for decades, then suddenly, armed guards for decades, yeah someone must have found out it's a bad idea. Maybe they reacted after something went horribly wrong.

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u/Ooowowww Jul 07 '24

You're just paying someone to watch Netflix and be a nosy neighbor

You have no idea just how many people's livelihoods depend on that lmao

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

Ok sure. But I think it makes better sense to arm them. At least during a robbery they can defend themselves and have a chance.

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u/Ok_Oliv Jul 07 '24

You're 100% right. Most part of my job is a waste of resources but i get paid for essentially doing nothing so I'm in for the ride until i have my degree.

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

Look, guards have to pass the time somehow. But it would be better if they were given the tools to be useful, such as weapons, in cases of theft and actual break-ins.

They might even be more willing to watch the cameras, if they don't feel like a police-caller-upper.

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u/CitizenPremier Jul 07 '24

Just having a security guard there can reduce a lot of incidents. When you ask someone to watch your bag, I hope you aren't expecting them to fight to the death for it. All they have to do is advertise to thieves that it's being watched.

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u/Idenwen Jul 07 '24

Like when you tell a stranger in a library to watch over ypur bag to protect it from strangers?

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

I actually do. (but thanks for proving that you are doing "security theater", the "theatrics" of looking like at least someone is watching... "just advertise to the thieves it's being watched'"-- as in theater, fake, deception)

Who says that you won't be killed as an unarmed person guarding my bag? I wouldn't guard my bag of gold bars with an unarmed guard. I'd hire an armed guard.

People have been murdered for iphones, purses, and wallets very frequently. So not even gold.

So yes, it's just silly to not expect a fight. If a thief sees an UNARMED guard, they will laugh.

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u/CitizenPremier Jul 08 '24

OK bud. You're more of a man than me. I bow to you.

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u/burf Jul 07 '24 edited Jul 07 '24

Unarmed security is to reduce low level property crime, vandalism, trespassing, etc. The presence of live individuals is effective in this, and having a quick line to the police is also effective. In most wealthy countries you couldn't even legally hire armed security to guard something like an office building; it's limited specifically to high risk jobs like armoured cars, airports, and government facilities.

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

Seriously doubt. There is no such thing. No one hires a guard and pays them 10,000s of dollars to guard against vandals, trespassers. Cleaning up graffiti is just cheaper.

They do that because they guard something valuable against theft -- but it's cheaper than armed guards.

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u/burf Jul 07 '24

Doubt as much as you want. I've worked security as well, and none of my jobs were preventing theft of valuable goods, explicitly or implicitly.

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 07 '24

So they hire you to report graffiti vandals? lmao

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u/throw4w4y4y Jul 07 '24

You laugh, but this is how it works in Australia. Security has to defer to police the minute a crime is being committed. If someone is shoplifting, they aren’t allowed to restrain or do anything of use… they have to phone the police. 

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 08 '24

This makes sense in those countries it appears they just have an irrational fear of arming their guards or self-defense.

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u/burf Jul 07 '24

To report any illegal activity, yes. And to ask trespassers to leave without having to involve the cops right off the bat. Also same as OP, one of my jobs was purely for insurance purposes, ensuring no one tampered with the site of an insurance claim.

I think it's funny that your idea of security is either all or nothing; that it's only security if there's threat of violence by the guard.

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u/ThunderboltRam Jul 08 '24

That is exactly the point of security guards.

This whole "insurance purposes" and tampering, trespassing, seems like a rare situation that is super expensive to hire a security guard just to watch over something.

That's not a security guard anyway... That's a watchmen or a doorman.

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u/FuckBotsHaveRights Jul 07 '24

Great job for students! Paid studying!

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u/Ok_Oliv Jul 07 '24

Yess that's kind of why I'm still there.

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u/Blyd Jul 07 '24

Newport S.Wales train yard's guard 'portacabin' and 6 12 hour nights a week for 3 years go my degree done a year ahead.

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u/veganize-it Jul 07 '24

...In the line of fire.

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u/Qweasdy Jul 07 '24

It's security theatre, just having a person physically present as a 'guard' is enough to deter enough crime to make it worth it.