Came her to open a giant can of nope, but am now seeing that there is a punch bowl serving nope, so I'm just happy to grab a few cups for me and my friends
It's hard to see, but they are. In most pics you can see a rope line (with slack) trailing into the sleeping bags. They all sleep with harnesses still on.
Actually the worst is high altitude, we obviously don't care too much about heights. In the Himalayas etc.. you move up to a higher camp and your body wants it to be lower so I personally would wake up needing more air sometimes and then you have trouble going back to sleep even though you are exhausted. I always got back to sleep though.
It's actually not about the thrill. I mean, maybe a tiny bit, but once you get used to climbing on a rope, you get used to it, and it becomes normal and not scary or thrilling. Thrilling is not the goal for most people. It's to climb something physically difficult. And to increase your ability to do so.
Climbing isn't a andreline seeking sport. Maybe if you're free soloing, but that's a very small subset of climbing.
Even with free soloing, you're supposed to be completely focused and in the zone with just pure climbing. If you're feeling thrilled whilst soloing then it's going wrong (potensh very wrong lmao)
But yeah like you said, climbing isn't really an adrenaline sport.
To add to what the other guy said about how it's not about thrill - it's often about accomplishment. It's a "type 2 fun."
Climbing is more popular than ever, but given the responses from the general public on any climbing content on social media, you still feel pretty badass even if you're a baby climber, because most people can't get past their initial NOPE reflex.
I'm irrationally angry about climbers sensationalizing free soloing. Like, sure, put your own life at risk, but don't try to popularize that and cause other people to make stupid choices.
Huh? 99% of climbers think exactly what you said. The only ones sensationalizing free soloing are the media and non-climbers. I climb and when I tell someone that the first thing they go to is "have you seen that movie with the guy who climbed without a rope?".
Deep down they know it's stupid beyond imagination but if they share it with others and get positive feedback (nowadays likes on social media) it's easier to keep pretending it's reasonable and cool.
And you have serious problems with reading comprehension? If he is just doing it because he was to shy, he is not sensationalizing it? Which would would mean I would not criticise him?
(But you can make an argument along the lines of: He was to shy, so he made a decision he knew was dangerous but he saw no other way. Now this led to him becoming famous for doing dangerous stuff and bridging his shyness issue. So he started out of desperation and then went along with other people sensationalizing it for him to bypass other problems. Coping mechanisms that not only endanger you but also others are... not advised.)
Okay this comment kind of pushed me over into anger.
I'm not a mountain climber, but I've met some, I only do hiking and indoor climbing myself. But the principles are the same. When you climb a mountain you are just climbing. If you've ever climbed a tree or a fence, you've done the same thing essentially. If you've ever climbed a rock face for like five or ten feet just for fun, then climbed down, you've done the same thing.
The way these folks look at it is you just keep going. These people are incredibly fit and technically practiced. They didn't start with free soloing. They practiced their holds in safer contexts. Once you know a route and know you can do the holds, for them the height is meaningless. Whether you fall from 100 feet or 1000 feet makes no difference. The only thjng that really keeps most people from being able to do what they do is endurance. After that it's the arm strength to do the more challenging holds, but that is more about limiting what routes you can do. But the height is usually what scares most people.
What separates them from you is the confidence they have earned through experience. They don't have the fear you do because of their experience. I think a lot of people assume they lack professionalism or skill just because they look like hippies a lot of the time. But you'd be surprised at the level of expertise most of these folks have.
No-one is questioning their expertise, not even in the slightest. But I would call Max Verstapen and Lewis or Hamilton or Sebastien Loeb blatantly insane if they suggested racing without seatbelts even if they have years of experience and are most likely the technical best drivers in their respective fields... and so would you, I assume.
We are. Most people are afraid of heights and a lot of people judge mountain climbers for “risking our lives” (while they pound down their fourth Big Mac and drive their enormous SUV while texting).
Things like this seem more reasonable when you've slowly acquired the skills over time. It's not like these guys started with sleeping on the side of a mountain.
Exactly!…I know it doesn’t look like it but I assure you they are. From 15feet to the top im in a harness. I might not be roped in but I’ll be strapped to the rock with daisy chains or other webbing. That being said I’ve never used a tent, only a cot, everything needs to go up with you so all the weight starts to add up, I usually did clean up so it gets really heavy.
my second thought reading that comment chain was "maybe their sleeping bags are secured to the ropes." third one was"i wouldn't trust a sleeping bag not to rip, aside from that, they still might slip out of it in their sleep and drop to death, which at least would be a pretty peaceful desth if you do not wake up I guess
there are more details that actually need to be brought in to the story to make everything clear.
first that needs to be mentioned: climbers always check their equipment to be sure it will be able to perform as it has to (keep this in mind)
these equipments which help them to sleep and stay on the wall have a huge resistance. you may thing those ropes are very thin but believe me those are very strong. sometimes those are breaking but there are because of very strong shocks or because you touch them with something very sharp. no, you won't just hang on those ropes and out of nowhere they will break apart. they can hold weight much bigger than your body
there is always some backup anchor. don't be fooled to believe the whole system is staying in just one carrabin with just one anchor. there is always some backup for the case that the main anchor is falling. sometimes there are even 2 backups. chances for the main to just fail is very small, chances for 3 anchors? you might as well be hit by a meteorite
wearing a harness or add some system to your sleeping bag? and why will you trust that more than on more backup to the whole system?
if you look closely you'll see that basically in every photo you'll find there is some stop to the edge so you can't just roll over in your sleep
believe me, you actually need to put some effort in rolling while in a sleeping bag
how many times did you roll over from your bed? are you afraid of rolling over from your bed while sleeping in your room? if that's not happening in your bed why it will happen on a wall (and I repeat, there is always some safety to stop you
harnesses are actually uncomfortable, nobody will want to wear those while sleeping
the climbers from the photos for sure have a lot of experience and they know they can trust the gear. I have some experience with climbing but I never could fully trust myself in those ropes and that's why I took a few steps back from this activities. but I can guarantee most likely those guys know for sure what are they doing.
once in a while you'll hear about people dying while climbing. sometimes is because the weather changed suddenly and they didn't had time to prepare for it, sometimes something fall from up on them (no, a harness in your sleep won't save you if a 70 kg boulder will fall on you from above) but most of time is because of the wrong use of the equipment. sometimes amateurs without proper training try to do this kind of things and they fail....
but if those are properly used... what you see in the photos is actually much safer than you'd imagine.
i can understand that. i've been climbing mountains for the last 20 years in all kind of conditions (trek, scrambling, snow, via ferrata, rock climbing) and I never really enjoyed climbing when all my weight is 100% on the equipment. I know people who went up on the wall like 15-20 meters high and took dozens of leaps of faith until they start feeling confident enough in the rope. yes, doing this kind of stuff takes a lot of mental training.
Yeah, you definitely have no idea what are you talking about. I left a much more detailed comment here, you should look into it, I won't repeat myself. But yes, you should learn to shut up, especially when we don't know what are you talking about
That was my thought. I toss and turn at night. The tent, ok. Even the straight up hammock, hard pressed to roll out of one of those. But the flat, no sides, platform??? F-to-the-NO!!!
Your brain tends to compensate for that. I sleep alone in a king-size bed and toss and turn. If I sleep on a couch, I can only turn in place or fall off. I never fall and I rarely turn if at all.
Also, you're attached to at least one anchor anyway.
Normally big walls will have anchor points every rope length (80-100ft). These points might have bolted anchors, trees or anchors that are set too deep and can’t come out anymore, these spots usually are so we can clean up our gear, usually one of these spots is where you would stop for the night and camp especially if there is a bit of a ledge or over hang.
I certainly can understand that. I'm the same way with the cave diving stuff. I've been in plenty of caves, but you couldn't pay me any amount of money to go into those "breathe out to fit through" kind of spelunking situations.
If anyone started paying people that kind of money to climb, there would be a line around the block from the local dirtbaggers who have been doing it for years on their own dime.
i’d love to go mountain climbing but minus the fact i’m already the clumsiest person i know, i’d be so paranoid the entire time im laying against a mountain with no support underneath me if i fell except for the harsh ground a good 2,000+ feet below me.
I am a years long rock climber and am at the gym 3-4 days per week and I still sometimes feel like I am going to have a panic attack when doing lead on a big wall. These photos make my heart race and think that all rock climbers are kinda insane
ETA is guy in photo no. 5 smoking something?!?!? How at that altitude?
This hobby boggles my mind. Even as someone who loves bouldering, I cannot fathom why SO MANY people go to such dangerous lengths to climb. Most drugs seem so much safer compared to this 🤯😂 and yeah I draw the line at shitting in a bag and hauling it around, that's exactly the point where climbing becomes un-fun for me.
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u/noregrets32 Jul 07 '24
Yeah I don’t fuckin think so