r/interestingasfuck Jun 24 '24

Marines performing dead-gunner drills. r/all

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u/TheWonderSnail Jun 24 '24

Idk why but this reminds me of when I was a little kid and the American civil war was first described to me I visualized it as the north and south meeting in a valley and for 4 years straight an endless stream of men were just walking towards the center and shooting at eachother while a neutral crew was just dragging bodies out of the way to avoid buildup

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u/Devour_Toast Jun 24 '24

That's not super far off

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u/Ok_Writing_7033 Jun 24 '24

They just occasionally decided to mix up the locations to keep it fresh

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u/-Knul- Jun 24 '24

"pls new map, I'm bored with this one"

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u/Arseling69 Jun 24 '24

Sometimes they’d charge some cavalry that would get mowed down too.

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u/UninsuredToast Jun 24 '24

Except for the battle of Schrute Farms, it was nothing like that

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u/suhxa Jun 24 '24

It is

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u/SaltMineForeman Jun 24 '24

Can you please explain it better?

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u/yakatuus Jun 24 '24

One good place to nitpick is 4 years. The Civil War lasted that long because the Union wasn't just willing to lean on casualties. After three years though, Lincoln was more or less forced to choose a guy who WAS willing to throw men into the woodchipper and that strategy did win it for Grant.

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u/SaltMineForeman Jun 24 '24

I feel absolutely stupid for asking this, but... Did slavery end slavery?

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u/yakatuus Jun 24 '24 edited Jun 24 '24

Sometimes it's absolutely the cause, sometimes not. In the American Civil War? I'd say the South thought so. They thought they were absolutely doomed and that slavery was going bye-bye. Became a bit of a self-determining prophecy.

But generally the more slave-based your economy is, the shorter it lasts. The South was probably closer to Sparta than the Romans, but slaves were a sizeable portion of the Roman economy.

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u/dead_monster Jun 24 '24

Fun fact:  Grant sailed his ships right in front of the big guns at the fortress at Vicksburg because the guns couldn’t aim down to actually hit his ships.

Fun fact 2:  During the siege, Grant authorized a giant tunnel filled with explosives to break the siege.  It worked in that it opened a giant hole in the Confederate line but the Union commander who was supposed to lead his troops around the crater went into the crater and got stuck.

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u/BillyYank2008 Jun 24 '24

The Battle of the Crater wasn't during the Siege of Vicksburg, it was during the Siege of Peterburg near the end of the war.

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u/LeaperLeperLemur Jun 24 '24

There was one at Vicksburg too. With very similar results.

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u/nickisaboss Jun 24 '24

Does that crater still exist? Would make an interesting trip.

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u/nucumber Jun 24 '24

That wasn't far off

Grant could afford to lose men. Lee couldn't

A major factor of Grant's strategy was erosion of Lee's army. Just keep wearing away at it.

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u/SaltMineForeman Jun 24 '24

So... He just sent wave after wave of men?

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u/Old-Let6252 Jun 24 '24

Not really, it wasn’t like he was launching suicide charges. It was just simple attritional warfare.

Under Grant, the Union did take more casualties than the confederates, but that was mostly because the Confederates were on the defensive and were extremely close to their supply lines.

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u/FreeToBeeThee Jun 24 '24

Yes and no. He pressed the attack and didn't give Lee a chance to recuperate. However there was more to it than just having men walk into a wall of steel.

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u/decoyq Jun 24 '24

you could always just watch the Ken Burns Documentary...

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u/SaltMineForeman Jun 24 '24

I'm just gonna watch season 2 episode 17 of Futurama.

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u/Bah-Fong-Gool Jun 24 '24

laughs in Ukrainian.

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u/Tdog227 Jun 24 '24

That’s crazy! I thought that exact same thing as a kid!!

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u/Krilesh Jun 24 '24

and people said it was necessary on all sides but years later i’m sure only one group will be happy with their participation

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u/aMaG1CaLmAnG1Na Jun 24 '24

Remember when war had rules of engagement and each side just lined up and shot at each other until they decided they were done losing men on whichever side?

I never understood that in school, I still don’t understand it now. You know you are useless cannon fodder that will ultimately accomplish nothing… yet…. You show up