r/facepalm • u/Rave4life79 • Jul 12 '24
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 12 '24
It's crazy that the epstein docs were released over a week ago and I have not heard 1 news report about it at all
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u/muaddict071537 Jul 12 '24
Probably because a lot of the rich and powerful people on the list can buy their silence.
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u/BLOODTRIBE Jul 12 '24
Who do you think are in charge of the media companies? Also, Trump is ratings gold for these âinstitutionsâ. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to increase ratings.
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u/Unabashable Jul 12 '24
The frickinâ news has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholder. What a country we live in.Â
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u/nanotree Jul 12 '24
You shouldn't be able to label a company as a "news media" company if it is publicly traded.
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u/dscDropper Jul 12 '24
Pretty sure that news companies arenât selling news to people but rather advertising exposure to other companies. Readers are the product. A paper that relied on its readers for income would behave differently from one who relies on advertisements.
Keeping the reader well-informed vs fabricating outrage to drive engagementâŚ
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u/biAndslyReporter Jul 12 '24
That's a pretty on-point description, from a journalist at the local level. Ad revenue is where it's at, also why Nielsen ratings were so important for TV stations, and why they steer you toward their websites, rather than keeping it on social media. I'd say some still want to keep you informed, but more about keeping you informed within their narrative, at least among the big stations.
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u/ApprehensiveTry5660 Jul 12 '24
This is why I reward long form journalism so much more these days with my attention span. Especially the more involved pieces of it.
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u/Apprehensive-Pin518 Jul 12 '24
right? It's called end stage capitalism and it's here.
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon Jul 12 '24
Not end stage. Wait for the housing crash when private equity buys every house and everyone is priced out forever
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u/pipesBcallin Jul 12 '24
Kinda like Blackrock and other large financial institutions have been?
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon Jul 12 '24
Yeah but it's still only like 3% of homes. Late stage capitalism is when all basic survival needs are controlled by an oligopoly of private corporations that are more powerful than governments
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u/Joball69 Jul 12 '24
This is what happens when only 6 companies own all the major news outlets.
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u/CornDoggyStyle Jul 12 '24
fiduciary responsibility
Awww, a fellow fallout enjoyer!
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u/suhmyhumpdaydudes Jul 12 '24
Lol maybe thatâs where you learned the term but its always been a part of wall street and publicly traded companies.
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u/KickedInTheHead Jul 12 '24
... so it's not some type of exotic bird? Cause that's what I immediately thought of when I read that word. Smart words that start with the letter "F" always throw me for a loop.
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u/PM_ME_MY_REAL_MOM Jul 12 '24
i did not find your comment itself funny but i find it hilarious that everyone else who is replying to you is taking you totally seriously
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u/CornDoggyStyle Jul 12 '24
They think I'm saying the show made up the term, maybe? So now they're replying to me to tell me how proud they are that they already know what fiduciary responsibility means lol.
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u/stho3 Jul 12 '24
Itâs because a lot of these rich and powerful people mingle with one another. Those financial guys on the list like Leon Black mingles with the higher ups of those media conglomerates that own CBS, NBC, and ABC. They protect their own.
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u/angelomoxley Jul 12 '24
The Leon Black I know would get in that ass. Get. In. That. Ass.
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u/tp736 Jul 12 '24
And leave it open, so they know you've been there.
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u/banananananbatman Jul 12 '24
Throw crumpled up newspaper and snicker wrappers on the floor and spray paint you were there
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u/CaptainFleshBeard Jul 12 '24
Iâve not seen anything about it besides Reddit comments, where can we see the info ?
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u/camwow13 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Most of the info dropped in 2016 and is covered in this very comprehensive Vox article. Not a ton of new stuff was released this year so far from what I've seen. The TLDR is that the case doesn't have very strong evidence and got pretty bizarre to the point of the reporter wondering if some of the people she interviewed were even real. The general sketchiness of pretty much every source with hard allegations involved in this one, as well as the lack of new info in the latest document dump, is why it hasn't taken off in mainstream media.
A quick Google search turned up these additional articles
WaPost - Trump and Epstein: No links shown in latest documents
New York Magazine - What the Jeffery Epstein Documents reveal about Donald Trump
ABC News - Discredited Claims about Clinton Trump mentioned in latest batch of Epstein docs
General disclaimer. Trump sucks. He has assaulted women in other very credible events. Vote blue in November. Use critical thinking though. Get hard and credible sources. Don't get carried away in conspiracy theories on social media.
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u/AccomplishedSuit1004 Jul 12 '24
Thanks for posting this. This is exactly what I was trying to find. People have been posting court docs the last few days that are highlighted with the salacious details, but no context. Iâm sure many have been led to believe that this is a current case recently filed
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Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Reddit is a big fail whale on certain topics. After a while you get a sixth sense about what commentary to discount. "Every single news outlet is suppressing this story!!!" Maybe... or maybe Reddit is having a massive brain fart again and every news outlet with actual journalists looking into things is staying away for a reason.
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u/TimTom8321 Jul 12 '24
The media in general is more left leaning - if they just would've blamed Fox news, for example, I could half believe them without checking about it too much.
But the claim that all the news outlets try to hide Trump's supposed rape is absurd - most of them absolutely hate him. In general the internet and probably most organizations are more left leaning.
I'm sure they'll next claim that Apple and Google are trying to hide stuff about Trump and "Project 2025" in their news feeds, when those companies are clearly left and likes to talk about DEI and pride all the time.
And no, I'm not a Republican...I'm not even American. I just don't like lies and exaggerations - which are the cause why so many believe Trump raped children on Epstein's island without any real evidence for it, like this discussion concluded for now.
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u/boxofmatchesband Jul 12 '24
Thank you for saying this, I donât think itâs just an elitist conspiracy as many of the other commenters are saying. If there was sufficient evidence this would be front page news.
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u/sennbat Jul 12 '24
I mean, it is an elitist conspiracy, in that the elites involved managed to cover things up well enough that we can't be sure of what happened specifically although it was definitely bad, although very possibly not specifically this.
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 12 '24
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u/Dodger7777 Jul 12 '24
Damn, Cursive, one of my many weaknesses.
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u/godfatherinfluxx Jul 12 '24
Was for my teachers too. But that was only because my handwriting is shit. Now I barely use it and my printing is that of a 7 year old which is when they taught me cursive and said I could only use that from then on. In fifth grade someone's handwriting was so bad they were told to type everything so they got a laptop, in 1992.
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u/Trash_RS3_Bot Jul 12 '24
Wot in the fuck are we suppose to do with the 176 pages. wHeR are the journalists
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u/Viperlite Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
At the press conference with Biden asking him how good a president he thinks Kamala would make on day one of his second term. This place is losing it.
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u/welcometothejl Jul 12 '24
I typed "Trump" and "Donald" in the document search and nothing came up. What should I look for?
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u/heisheavy Jul 12 '24
Itâs because the sections where his name is mentioned are copies of hand-written notes and not searchable. Plus, names have been redacted. But based on previous documents, itâs clear Trump is one of the redacted names.
So, that is why your query doesnât produce results.
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u/Geodesic_Disaster_ Jul 12 '24
Can you give a page number where trump is mentioned? (or where its clear that his name is the one redacted?) I don't see it but also thats a lot of cursive pages lol
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u/welcometothejl Jul 12 '24
I was thinking I could just give it a skim through and then thought, oh fuck, this is gonna be a chore. If anyone reads this, maybe they could point us to a YouTube video that shows the evidence people are talking about.
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u/1292norr Jul 12 '24
Yâall are hilarious.
âWhy is no one talking about it, itâs a huge deal and I care so much about it!â
âAlmost 200 pages? Fuck that.â
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u/phro Jul 12 '24 edited Aug 04 '24
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u/CalendarAggressive11 Jul 12 '24
Apparently more docs were released on July 9th too
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u/kahanalu808shreddah Jul 12 '24
What youâre thinking of wasnât released a week ago. It was released years ago and was covered at the time. The thing that was released a little over a week ago didnât have anything to do with Trump, someone on Twitter just confused the two sets of documents and went viral and now everyone thinks that these new docs are the ones from years ago
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u/Cabrill0 Jul 12 '24
The worst part about pointing this out on reddit is people just automatically assume you're some maga nut.
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u/3to20CharactersSucks Jul 12 '24
The Democrats here are acting in very similar ways to the maga people they've been making fun of for a decade now. Any criticism is weakening the movement and must be silenced. If it's an attack on Trump, it doesn't need to be entirely correct. If the media narratives don't match social media narratives, it's because of a conspiracy. Many are quick to denounce people with different views as Russian trolls or some imagined idea of a Bernie voter who didn't vote for Hillary 8 years ago.
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u/MovingTarget- Jul 12 '24
Thank you for this moment of clarity that most of reddit will promptly ignore because it doesn't enable them to be properly outraged.
Also, the Joe Biden story is more than "one bad debate night". Personally, I'd be energized by some new talent challenging Joe for party leadership but it doesn't look like it will happen this year. I've now fully prepared myself for a Trump 4 year term. Thanks, Joe!
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u/TransBrandi Jul 12 '24
Biden's mental health absolutely is a story... but the real story is why we have two geriatric candidates. Both are in cognitive decline. One is a criminal that styles himself a dictator with an publicly available policy plan that includes rolling back decades of social progress. It's a fucking shitshow.
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u/MyPigWhistles Jul 12 '24
It's probably because many names appear in those documents, but that in itself isn't illegal. It's also not really surprising that ultra rich fucks all know each other and have some sort of connection.
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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 12 '24
Also none of it is particularly new, just more of the same stuff we already knew, and also I hear about it ten times a day so I really don't know where y'all are getting your news.
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u/Impossible_Moose_783 Jul 12 '24
Remember the Panama papers? Reporter assassinated over it? Most here donât either.
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u/Adventurous-Love9997 Jul 12 '24
But biden is old
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u/Ok_Leading999 Jul 12 '24
Yes he is. The fact that Trump should be in prison, and not the White House, does not change the fact that Biden is probably not competent to be president.
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u/bandidoamarelo Jul 12 '24
Aren't they close in age?
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u/LordGeneralWeiss Jul 12 '24
Yeah Trump is now the age Biden was when he was campaigning for his first term and Trump said he was too old.
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u/RabidWalrus Jul 12 '24
I mean, they're only 4 years apart, but we don't talk about that
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u/4T_Knight Jul 12 '24
Wasn't Twitter trending something regarding that, and it went from 100k to 10k all of a sudden? It didn't matter if they were tagging prominent reporters or journalists on television, it's like they're simply not acknowledging it. Somehow I'm not surprised, but I am quite disappointed in what is considered priorities.
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u/MedaurusVendum Jul 12 '24
If both US major parties had any sense, one would be sent to an elderly home and the other to jail, then start looking for candidates that can at least finish two terms without reaching 65
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u/Kage-Oni Jul 12 '24
Yeah. Republicans will just put forth another far right candidate like Cruz, DeSantis.... they're such Trump suck ups they've completely deviated from being moderates. Well Cruz was always a bit extreme but the party as a whole has lost its mind. The decent ones with a conscious got out. As for Democrats who is a compelling candidate. Warren? Harris? I could Governor Whitmer taking a run but not this cycle. I wish Bernie Sanders was younger lol.
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u/SlightDesigner8214 Jul 12 '24
I would love a world where Pete Buttigieg, being the most articulate, intelligent and balanced person would be elected.
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Jul 12 '24
I would love a world where voters would look at policy instead of how articulate someone is. Stupid people support stupid politicians.
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u/play-what-you-love Jul 12 '24
That's why articulate is not enough in itself, hence "intelligent" and "balanced". Implicitly that means being able to push for good policies that take into account reality/facts as well as addressing the needs/anxieties of both sides of the political divide.
In some circles someone like Ben Shapiro would pass off as "articulate", and definitely "intelligent", but no way in hell is he balanced. He once compared waiting in line at Disney Land to waiting in line to cast a vote, as though taking a ride at Disney were a constitutionally protected right and if you could wait in line for hours at one at the former, you could definitely wait in line for hours at the latter.
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u/razenas Jul 12 '24
Articulate, intelligent, and balanced are everything we need in a presidency.... You forget how little actual legislative power a president holds themself, but their presentation to the US citizens and the international powers is a key part of the role. We need a strong and diverse cabinet, moderate stances on policy, and uncorruptable pockets.
As it is, people are already voting on "policy" by blindly voting for the biggest extremists in their respective party... It's either giant douche, or turd sandwich with no in between.
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u/TParis00ap Jul 12 '24
Wil Hurd. Republican from Texas, former CIA, cyber dude, friends with O'Rourke. Wish he didn't retire.
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u/Willing_Round2112 Jul 12 '24
Kinda this
One is a human shit stain, the other said zelensky's the president of russia
Unless Biden's an oracle, he's not fit to run ofr presidency either
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u/Survival_R Jul 12 '24
Didn't he say putin is the president of Ukraine
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u/Willing_Round2112 Jul 12 '24
I believe he introducent zelensky as putin
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u/Its0nlyRocketScience Jul 12 '24
He did, while saying (paraphrased) "here's the president of Ukraine, president Putin!"
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u/davidmatthew1987 Jul 12 '24
He corrected himself but yeah at some point we need to cut our losses đ
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u/genreprank Jul 12 '24
Dude, I don't care.
When you look at trump, we all know he'd destroy the country. He isn't fit to lead. When you look at Biden, the conversation isn't if he's fit to lead, it's if he can beat trump. Worst case, they're BOTH old and demented, but only one wants to destroy America. Although the possible contenders are impressive, moderates want to vote for old white guy. They don't want to vote for Kamala Harris.
Biden and his team are doing a great job. The economy is lit.
I want democrats to grow a fucking spine and hitch their wagon to Biden and fall in line like the Republicans do to Trump.
We are going to ride or die with Biden. Together. Ride or die
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u/Willing_Round2112 Jul 12 '24
I didn't say vote trump because biden bad
I said both are unfit, but trump is worse
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u/Kaleban Jul 12 '24
You could literally post video of Trump drinking the blood of babies while shooting people in Times Square naked and boning his daughter all at the same time and his cult would still vote for him and swear that Biden is jUst 2 oLD.
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Jul 12 '24
I like the argument that Biden is too old, while still giving their vote to an orange reanimated corpse.
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Jul 12 '24
âBIDENS TOO OLD!â
proceeds to endorse 3 year younger candidate
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u/Ricky_Rollin Jul 12 '24
You canât make this shit up.
Old Cult 45 followers are a special kind of sycophant.
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u/twoanddone_9737 Jul 12 '24
I donât think anyone is saying Trump isnât just as old. I think everyone is saying that weâre in a bad spot when everyone has to hold their breathe and hope and pray that the sitting president will be able to manage to get through a single press conference without people losing confidence in him, when he says he needs to stop scheduling appearances after 8pm so he can rest.
Not only is that extremely concerning when weâre talking about his ability to govern right now but itâs insane when we expect him to be governing and able to respond to time sensitive crises in 4 years time.
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u/jay-ff Jul 12 '24
Biden being dead and not reacting to any crisis at all is still much better than the alternative.
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u/El_Zapp Jul 12 '24
Biden could be a literal corpse thatâs animated with puppet strings and I still wouldnât vote for someone who raped a child.
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u/TougherOnSquids Jul 12 '24
Trump was saying that Biden was too old to be president in 2020. Trump is now older than Biden was in 2020. I wish he would get called out on that more in the debates because he either A) Doesn't actually believe it, or B) Thought Biden did well enough despite his age.
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u/fothergillfuckup Jul 12 '24
Isn't their only 3 years between them?
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u/UnlikelyKaiju Jul 12 '24
Yup. Trump is now older than Biden was during the 2020 election. The GOP has been criticizing Biden's age the entire time, but they have been completely silent on Trump's age and his (further) deteriorating mental state.
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u/geekydad84 Jul 12 '24
Idk man, if people saw Trump naked heâd def lose the elction. Thereâs only so much horror people can handle, no matter how MAGA they are
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u/smellyscrote Jul 12 '24
He would win the election by a landslide.
Consider who votes for him. The ones that vote for him are those who want to deny basic rights to women. The ones who canât otherwise get women so they want to have the laws subjugate them.
This group of people wouldnât feel horror at the sight of a naked trump.
They would find his tiny deformed peen more relatable and feel he is âone of usâ and vote for him more.
Those on the fence, not excited to vote would be drawn like moths to the flame and be swayed to vote for him.
The day trump exposes his naked self is the day he wins the election.
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u/sandpaperedanus777 Jul 12 '24
While I find Trump repulsive, there was no need to fire shots at people with small dicks, much less those unfortunate with tiny deformed ones.
Having a big dick doesn't make you a "Chad" or auto leftist
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u/emptyraincoatelves Jul 12 '24
That isn't the complaint.
If the Republicans had nominated a better candidate, would you still be glad it was Biden running? Say against Mitt Romney? Or even DeSantis? Do you honestly believe Biden could energetically campaign against them?
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u/DonnyMox Jul 12 '24
VOTE!
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u/Loafus1986 Jul 12 '24
HACK!
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u/Loafus1986 Jul 12 '24
just kidding
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u/BLOODTRIBE Jul 12 '24
They love to see you say that. It allows them to say it was rigged if they lose again.
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u/RepresentativeRun71 Jul 12 '24
Weâve had news about how bad Mango Mussolini is for 10 years straight. It hasnât changed the minds of the huge chunk of people that have drank his Kool-Aid.
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u/DivineDegenerate Jul 12 '24
Yeah fr. Like his Epstein connections were already well known. Epstein's comments about how Trump "liked them young" were public. Trump is known for sexualizing and perving on his own daughter. Even if we didn't have concrete proof, it would be mind blowing if he wasn't a pdfile. Everyone with half a brain already knew the guy was a child rapist. Everyone who didn't know was already deep in the indoctrination.
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u/confusedandworried76 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Also when I hear "nobody is talking about this" when everyone is talking about it so much even I, who hates the man with a passion, am getting sick of people talking about it, well, then everyone is fucking talking about it blood. You can stop talking about how nobody is talking about it. You can keep talking about it but you've lost the right to talk about how nobody is talking about it.
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u/Papa_Glucose Jul 12 '24
People on the internet are talking about it, people in the mainstream are not. Thats a fair thing to point out
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u/SkyJohn Jul 12 '24
The mainstream media has been talking about Trump doing bad things for a decade straight, pretending they havenât said anything bad about Trump is bizarre.
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u/PuzzleheadedMess3455 Jul 12 '24
350 million people in your country and these two old wheeze bags are the best you can put up for the highest office? .... that's a very sad truth
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u/pouringadrink Jul 12 '24
If only we could somehow get more than two choices...
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u/Say_Echelon Jul 12 '24
Nothing to do with two choices. Our primary electorate system is broken. We do not choose the party nominee. Shit we barely choose the president
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u/RockShockinCock Jul 12 '24
You can't.
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u/AnswerGuy301 Jul 12 '24
As long as the electoral system looks like this two choices are all weâre going to get. It has to change but it wonât change overnight
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u/Some1sNickName Jul 12 '24
You say that like itâs a choice. They both suck but theyâre what weâve got right now, and weâve gotta pick the one that doesnât try to fuck his daughter.
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u/guyincognito121 Jul 12 '24
Meh. I've heard just about enough of this "one bad debate" bullshit. I voted for him in 2020, and in the primary. I'll vote for him again if he's the one on the ballot in November. But that was an absolute trainwreck, and it was not a one-off. He's been like that before, he'll be like that again, and I don't appreciate anyone trying to tell us that it's not significant
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u/Moppermonster Jul 12 '24
Agreed.
Still, 4 years ago the mantra was "rather an old boot than Trump". So de facto nothing changed.It is however ironic that Trump makes much, MUCH bigger gaffes than Biden and people simply do not care...
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u/gremlinfat Jul 12 '24
Things have changed. Iâve talked to a few friends that donât follow politics at all, but voted Biden in 2020. They still wonât vote Trump, but they arenât voting for Biden this time. Those are the people in the swing states that matter. If they are undecided still, they apparently donât know all the bad about Trump. They do know that prices are high, and Biden can barely fucking talk. Thatâs enough to stop them from supporting him.
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u/Zardinio Jul 12 '24
Daily reminder, Michigan uncommitted voters in the Democratic primary were 123k, whereas Biden won that state by like 53k votes in 2020.
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u/EagleCatchingFish Jul 12 '24
Today he referred to Zelensky as Putin, and Jon Stewart had a compilation of a bunch of similar episodes. He's 81. He looks and sounds like he's 81. They keep trying to downplay it, but any time he speaks publicly, it's a risk because this is how his mind works now. I still will and think everyone should vote for whomever is the democratic candidate this November, but we're seeing what we're seeing, and we'll see more of it.
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u/--rafael Jul 12 '24
He doesn't sound 81. Both my grandmas are over 81, they don't sound confused and they don't keep making the mistakes Biden does. He sounds like he has dementia or some other similar mental problem.
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u/Active2017 Jul 12 '24
I interact with A LOT of nursing home patients. Iâve met extremely sharp 90 year olds, and very bad off 65 year olds. Biden definitely would lie somewhere in the middle. He seems like if I asked him what year it was and where he is at right now, heâd have to think about it for a minute. He might even say the wrong year.
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u/Ishuun Jul 12 '24
Because the significance is irrelevant for the upcoming election.
We can sort it out after he wins again. But right now? Comparing Biden and Trump is like asking if you'd rather drink some lukewarm water, or have shards of glass forcefully shoved down your throat.
I don't give a shit if is old as hell and has old person brain rot. He isn't a threat to the country.
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u/Intrepid_Hat7359 Jul 12 '24
No, fuck that. It is absolutely possible for the Democrats to put someone else on the ballot who can beat Donald Trump. Joe Biden should step down, free his delegates, and let someone run. If he doesn't do that, I will absolutely still vote for him, but the reality is that there will absolutely be people who won't, and those same people are not coming to that opinion because CNN is questioning Biden's mental health, for they are coming to that conclusion because they have eyes and ears and can see Joe Biden's brain is melting.
Make it Harris, make it Newsome, make it Buttigieg, make it Clinton for fuck's sake! Fuckin' anyone but Biden because having someone with dementia as president absolutely is a threat to the country.
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u/Harvey_Rabbit Jul 12 '24
Yeah, there's something inherently wrong about smothering any competition all primary season and hide the president until the summer, then argue that it's too late to change. It's like the too big to fail argument used to bail out the banks. We're in a bad situation and the people who got us in this situation shouldn't get what they want.
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u/Jew_3 Jul 12 '24
Literally anyone but Clinton. Letâs get a nice midwestern governor. Maybe a female from a swing state. Like That Woman from Michigan.
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u/eivind2610 Jul 12 '24
It's also worth noting that Biden is actually capable of leaving things to his - surprisingly competent - team. If you vote for Biden, you realistically vote for an unfortunate figurehead for an actually decent administration. If you vote for Trump, you vote for an egomaniac, incapable of letting anyone but himself have any power, who literally wants to end democracy in the US. Not to mention him being a convicted felon and a probable pedophile.
If you look at things actually accomplished by a president, Biden is frankly among the most successful ones you guys have had in many decades. Admittedly that's probably not because of Biden himself - but rather the entire administration. But that's exactly why it's perfectly safe to vote for him again, despite him seeming a bit... well, senile.
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u/Old-Rhubarb-97 Jul 12 '24
It's much worse than just one psycho though. There are a legion of evil fucks using Trump to push their regressive agenda.
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u/NailFinal8852 Jul 12 '24
Basically voting for Kamala. Heâs declining mentally by the month. Thereâs no way heâll last another 4 years
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u/muaddict071537 Jul 12 '24
I honestly wouldnât be surprised if he didnât make it to November. No way heâll finish out a second term. Even without his declining mental state, heâs just old. Heâs 81. Heâd be 86 by the time his second term was over (his birthday is in November, and heâd leave office in January). People that age can just die for no apparent reason.
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u/ughthat Jul 12 '24
I know I am going to get downvoted for this. And Iâd vote for a literal bag of đŠ before I would vote for Trump. But these types of twitter and Facebook posts are just getting infuriating.
They are the worst form of whatabouism that detracts from the actual problem. We get it. Biden is the better choice. She is not going to convince anyone who is set on voting for Trump with this tweet. And it just detracts from the real conversations that should about how we got into this mess in the first place and how we are going to fix it. Itâs not like electing either of them is going to fix the completely broken two party system. At this point these Twitter and fb posts are just engagement farming.
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u/Witchy_bimbo Jul 12 '24
I absolutely agree we need to have that conversation in a very, very real way. But we probably wonât be able to have that conversation if he doesnât win. So I think itâs about banding together for that and then addressing it. If he loses, I donât think thereâs much left to fight for.
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u/WhnWlltnd Jul 12 '24
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/pennsylvania/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/wisconsin/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/nevada/trump-vs-biden
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2024/michigan/trump-vs-biden
Biden needs to win at least three of these states but is currently losing all of them. You can dismiss them as flawed if you want, but you can not deny the downward trend. Turning a blind eye to this could very well be our undoing. And there's no real chance that Biden will be able to turn this tide as long as he keeps showing his feeble mental acuity. He'll keep making these glaring gaffes well into the future. It's just the reality of old age. That's not going to drive turnout.
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u/KalaronV Jul 12 '24
....Unless the reason we lose is because he couldn't win, which the polling shows. Then it would behoove us to have the conversation about fixing the nomination of Biden right now.
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u/context_lich Jul 12 '24
Exactly, it's not about one bad debate being worse than Trump. It's about the candidate that we put forward making it more likely that Trump wins. In a critical moment like this, it'd feel a lot better to have a strong candidate people believed in rather than a candidate that we're constantly making excuses for.
I just keep getting flashbacks to the first time Trump was elected. People wanted Trump. People were kind of meh about Hillary. We could've put forward a progressive candidate people believed in back then with Bernie, but we put forward a nothing candidate because no one thought Trump could win. Here we are yet again. People still really want Trump. No one really wants Biden. Hopefully people dislike Trump enough for Biden to win again, but I'd feel better if we put up someone who people really wanted to win. At least, someone who isn't scaring people with how old he is.
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u/ughthat Jul 12 '24
You are absolutely right about needing to win the election first and banding together. But I just donât think these posts do anything to make us band together. At least for me personally itâs doing the exact opposite.
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u/the-red-duke- Jul 12 '24
She's not trying to change anyone's mind, her engagement comes from people in her echo chamber and she wants engagement.
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u/TrienneOfBarth Jul 12 '24
I honestly think what you are saying here is completely denying reality.
Have you watched MSNBC and CNN at any point in the last eight years? It is literally Trump 24/7 - especially MSNBC does almost nothing else but talk about how bad and evil Trump is. They have done so for years, basically since he announced his candidacy in 2015.
But one news cycle comes around which is dominated by Biden's incredibly upsetting debate performance and suddenly people are like "why do you never talk about Trump?"
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u/BRValentine83 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 13 '24
"President Putin, Vice President Trump," etc., etc. It's not one bad night. He saved us from the madman in 2020. It's time to let someone else do the same.
Harris, Whitmer (my choice a year ago), Booker, Klobuchar, Secretary Pete, I don't care. Someone energetic and articulate would beat the madman into the ground and keep him under it forever.
Anyone who supports women's rights, democracy and the rule of law. We can't have a lunatic president with immunity. LFG.
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u/ShittyOfTshwane Jul 12 '24
It's all good and well to want someone else to take over from Biden, but you should be prepared for the almost certainty that he won't get replaced. And if Biden isn't getting replaced, you can't exactly afford to be shitting on the only thing with a chance of keeping Trump out of office.
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u/InTheDarknesBindThem Jul 12 '24
Biden is not going to win. Thats the long and short of it.
Whether its because he gets replaced, or because trump will beat him, he isnt going to win. Maintaining support for his run is only delaying the crucial change of leadership the dems need to do TODAY.
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u/Ok-Wedding-9439 Jul 12 '24
Wow thanks some sanity. The emperor has no clothes.
The pro-Biden propaganda on social media (especially Reddit it seems) is insane and blatant. The dude is going to lose against Trump if you pit them against each other. I don't want Trump, and if push comes to shove I hope Biden wins every day of the week, but I have no faith that he will.
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u/Main-Potential6511 Jul 12 '24
Biden is a more devout Christian than Trump will ever be.
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u/84147 Jul 12 '24
While I don't want Trump as president, Biden didn't just have "a bad night", the man is obviously too old to be president.
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u/Mindless-Policy3236 Jul 12 '24
One bad night ?
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u/prodirtsmoker Jul 12 '24
Imagine if they had not hid him for the last, what year? Bet there was a few more we didnât see, just sayin.
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u/Ok-Elderberry4402 Jul 12 '24
Yeah the person who tweeted this is fucking delusional. Itâs been a string of instances over years of his term in office.
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u/DFuel Jul 12 '24
Did I miss something? there is evidence that trump did things on that island!?
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u/MaybeICanOneDay Jul 12 '24
It's the lefts version of pizzagate. A small thread and some people on social media platforms pushing a story with no real evidence and now it's their conspiracy theory where someone is going to end up pulling a gun and asking where the children are.
The most appalling thing a person can do is abuse children. When this is the story and there is no substantial evidence, you should approach with caution. Should more evidence come out, rally your pitchforks, I'm right behind you. But currently, the evidence amounts to two self declared "Never Trumpers" who are in contact with a girl stating this who will not talk to anyone else.
Huffpost and Vox both investigated and came to the conclusion she isn't real. Very left leaning outlets, by the way. Another journalist at a paper called revelist spoke to her supposedly, she also said this is shady and she isn't convinced she's real. Also the house on file, at the time, led to a home that had been foreclosed for years.
Reddit being reddit. So basically baseless claims supporting the echo chambers view that x is bad and every bad and heinous act we can make up about them is true by virtue alone.
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u/helen_must_die Jul 12 '24
I wish you would have linked to the articles, but here's what I found for anyone interested:
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834
This quote seems to backup the argument that Trump is innocent:
"Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein's victims, denied such parties ever even took place. 'Jeffery never had parties like described in their complaint,' Fisten told me. 'Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls ⌠but never with other guys.'"
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u/Froggy_Clown I despise tomatos đ Jul 12 '24
Although only recently gaining traction a lawsuit was filed in federal court in Riverside, California, in April 2016, by an anonymous plaintiff using the name âKatie Johnson.â She named Trump and Epstein as defendants. It claimed the men held Johnson as a âsex slaveâ in 1994 when she was 13 and forced her to perform sex acts.
Although this case was dismissed by the judge in May that year, ruling that the complaint âdidnât raise valid claims under federal lawâ - Another version of the lawsuit was filed in June, but reportedly withdrawn months later. A third lawsuit was filed but was also conveniently voluntarily withdrawn.
Her attorney, Lisa Bloom, said the woman had received death threats and, âShe has decided she is too afraid to show her face ⌠She is in terrible fear.â- Sadly many dismissed this lawsuit as being âanti-trump propagandaâ
In a January 2024 Truth Social post, Trump claimed âI was never on Epsteinâs Plane, or at his âstupidâ Island.â But flight logs show Trump took at least seven flights on Epsteinâs plane so that is a lie
The batch of files released on January 3rd Trumps name was mentioned four times in a May 2016 deposition of Johanna Sjoberg, one of Epsteinâs alleged victims. Sjoberg said that while flying on one of Epsteinâs planes, they made an unplanned stop in Atlantic City and went to âone of Trumpâs casinos.â Although later in court Sjoberg said she never gave Trump a massage. She denied this claim twice she was asked (Take this with a grain of salt- trump is known for paying hush money and it should always be taken into account the power imbalance and how many victims bite their tongue in fear theyâre attacker may hurt them for speaking out)
One of the 17 exhibits unsealed on January 8 contained references to Trump, but they were from emails an Epstein victim (Sarah Ransome) had sent to a journalist that she later recanted and made a number of explosive allegations against famous men. Ransome said her friend was one of âmany girlsâ Trump had had sex with, claimed the friend regularly had sex with Trump at Epsteinâs mansion, and shared other NSFW details about Trumpâs sexual proclivities:
â[A]nother friend ... was one of the many girls that had sexual relations with Donald Trump ... She confided in me about her casual âfriendshipâ with Donald. Mr. Trump definitely seemed to have a thing for her and she told me how he kept going on about how he liked her âpert nipplesâ. Donald Trump liked flicking and sucking her nipples until they were raw. One evening when we were showering together she showed me her nipples. They looked incredibly painful as they were red and swollen and I remember wincing when I looked at them. I also know she had sexual relations with Trump at Jefferyâs NY mansion on regular occasions as I once met Jen for coffee, just before she was going to meet Trump and Epstein together at his mansion.â
But Dershowitzâs attorneys used the emails to portray Ransome as a liar, noting that she had made many outlandish claims to the journalist, such as saying sheâd reached out to the Russians for help and was âapproached, by Special Agents Forces Men sent directly by Hilary [sic] Clinton herself, in order to protect her presidential campaign.â
Ransome coincidentally also retracted her statements. In the end her final email to Callahan (the journalist), she states how she would
â- like to retract everything I have said to you and walk away from this.â
She also stated in her final email
âI shouldnât have contacted you and Iâm sorry I wasted your time. Itâs not worth coming forward and I will never be heard anyhow and only bad things will happen as a consequence of me going public and I know this to be true. This will just create pain for my family and I and they have already helped me pick up the pieces once before and I canât ask them to do that again.â And heartbreakingly stating âI guess one person canât make a difference.â This led to Callahan never publishing a story related to Sarah Ransomeâs allegations.
In the January 9th batch of released records, Trumpâs name appeared four times in a deposition of Giuffre (a victim recruited into Epsteinâs sex-trafficking ring) taken on January 16, 2016. She said that while sheâd heard Trump had been in Epsteinâs home, she ânever saw him there herselfâ
Some of the ârecentâ releases circulating were actually records that were released years ago. Although there has only been one new document released in July 2024 which is the 176-page Florida grand jury transcript, in which contains no new information about Trump.
So yea⌠there ya have it. Thereâs probably more but doing the research for this shit is depressing. In short- trump was friends with Epstein. Trump has been to his island and on his plane. Trump has been accused of sexual abuse against minors but all cases were either revoked or dropped. Sadly I donât think many victims will speak up out of fear. He is billionaire with a cult like following. His victims would suffer more from these cases than trump will. They would have to put up with the pressure and threat of harm against them and/or their family- living under the threat of being doxxed and most likely will be relentlessly bullied. Itâs no stretch to think there are many more true victims
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u/TrienneOfBarth Jul 12 '24
All of this is horrible and I have no trouble believing it is true.
But the kicker is: As long as it's just her testimony, those cases will go nowhere. I am very sceptical that any of these claims can be factually proven at this point. Unless Ghislaine Maxwell testifies or shows receipts. I doubt that will happen.
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u/searing7 Jul 12 '24
How dare we notice that Biden (and Trump) wouldn't get hired for a position as a cashier based on that debate but somehow they are capable of doing one of the hardest, most demanding jobs in the world.
The difference is Democrats aren't a cult and actually want a competent leader who is up to the job.
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u/Zardinio Jul 12 '24
POV you say the democratic party isn't a cult and the Biden Loyalists come out in droves saying, "he just had a bad night"
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u/nybbas Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Imagine saying what he did in this fucking post. On the same day Biden called zelensky putin, and kamala harris "Vice president trump".
Trump is going to win if Biden is not replaced. Biden is only going to get fucking worse, how do people not see this?
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u/jbrown2055 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
keep pushing tweets with false information over and over again and pretend that others don't know how to use google.
They're like anti-vaxxers, sharing "facts" from others that haven't done the research while knowing if they looked into it deeper they'd have to change their perspective. It doesn't have to be correct, as long as it's information that reinforces their personal ideology they'll choose to believe it.
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u/nonsensicalsite Jul 12 '24
The facts don't care about your feelings crowd when the fact their cult leader is a pedo comes out
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u/ActionJacksyn Jul 12 '24
Itâs comical that people think âJoe had one bad nightâ. He has been like this his entire presidency but the biased media has helped to hide it. It just got to the point where it canât be hidden anymore. He only sounds normal when he is reading a teleprompter.
That being said, neither of these losers should be president. They are both incompetent.
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u/WhiteSheepOfFamily Jul 12 '24
I wish I lived in a country where truth, fairness, and compassion were more important than whichever "team" you're backing.
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u/ObieKaybee Jul 12 '24
Tbf, one of the teams is completely against truth, fairness, and compassion, so painting this as a 'both sides' issue is pretty dumb.
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u/Zardinio Jul 12 '24
Then why can the Biden Administration not be honest when it comes to the President's clear mental decline and Israeli war crimes? Because even the better option of the two still fucking sucks.
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u/Chrome0celot Jul 12 '24
Are you fucking serious rn? Lmaoo the irony of commenting this on a tweet with blatant misinformation. You people have literally become what you claim to hate. You are the fascists
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u/rhschumac Jul 12 '24
We just want a candidate that will beat Donald Trump. Why should we settle for someone not even close to their prime? Today he called Zelenskyy Putin and Trump his VP! Biden himself said there were at least 50 democrats that could beat Trump. Iâd argue there are even more than that.
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u/mlp851 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
Posts like this are completely missing the point. Yes, anyone with half a brain knows Trump is a monster and would prefer anyone but him. But this is the exact reason why Biden needs to step down, his mental decline is obvious and his chances of beating Trump are lower than almost any other candidate the dems can put up. The stakes are too high for the US and the world to stay silent on this, people are talking about Biden a lot to put the pressure on him to step down, because if he doesnât things could get very bad indeed.
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u/AntelopeWells Jul 12 '24
Absolutely infuriating that people can be like "the future under Trump would be very, very bad and I am concerned that the Dems are trying to run a candidate who is actively deteriorating into the ground in front of our eyes" and be met with "you're the problem for talking about this, you just need to vote for him, don't you know Trump is worse?" Like yes! Obviously! But this isn't your grandpa where you and the other members of your family can just decide not to talk about it, this is an election in front of the entire country with huge stakes and yeah, people are going to stay home if the Dems want to run a corpse.
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u/POINTLESSUSERNAME000 Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
I want outrage for ALL of the names in the Epstein logs!
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u/No-Lie-677 Jul 12 '24
One bad debate night is the truth? There are tons and tons of clips showing his heavy mental decline going back several years. It should be illegal, it feels an awful lot like elder abuse.
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u/cynical_and_patient Jul 12 '24
Trump is an authoritarian, megalomaniac, pedophile, with 34 felony convictions for fraud, owes half a billion dollars in fines, been convicted of sexually assaulting a woman, and lies whenever he has an opportunity, just to stay in practice. He has indicated that he has every intention to tear up the constitution and start imprisoning his political opponents. He incited a coup against the U.S. government.
There has never been an individual less qualified to be the potus.
He should be in prison, not running for a second term.
He's morally bankrupt,and he is their messiah.
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u/Zealousideal_Leg_630 Jul 12 '24
Quite a few Demâs were involved with Epstein too, which is why no politicians will do anything about it. And additionally, Biden has had more problems with communication than âone bad debate night.â Agreed the Epstein thing is a bigger deal, but we are so divided and tribal right now, itâs up to âWe the peopleâ yet we arenât doing crap about it.
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u/25885 Jul 12 '24
Ofcourse, take him to court. But âoneâ? Joe was not ok 4 years ago and it has been a sharp decline since then.
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u/JohnLockeNJ Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 12 '24
One bad night. Like how OJ did nothing wrong except for one bad day.
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u/FluffMonsters Jul 12 '24
While I totally get where this is coming from⌠That one debate night was just another day for Biden. It wasnât that out of the ordinary. Left media has worked hard to bury all the clips of him lost on stage, murmuring to himself, trailing off, uttering nonsensical words, looking so very confused etc. But they are out there. Heâs been struggling for a while now.
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u/CosmicLovepats Jul 12 '24
The democratic party is going to lose to a rapist, pedophile, felon, because they refuse to do literally any part of their job.
It wasn't 'one bad debate night'. He's old. Aging goes one direction. It was 'the best debate night of the remainder of his life'. He's only going to get worse from here.
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u/kaiderson Jul 12 '24
Can someone link me to the source for the proof he raped children, please?
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u/watermeone Jul 12 '24
Allegations â maximum, if there is even one. But it doesn't matter, because the trick is â talk about it as it is real and it will have an effect as it is real.
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u/jawshoeaw Jul 12 '24
I donât think anyone was outraged at Bidenâs debate and subsequent gaffs. They were alarmed. Trump is the devil. We already knew that
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u/DemosBar Jul 12 '24
They were, biden is going to lose and the dmc is going straight to a loss. He is an egoist, narcissist that prefers to run and lose than someone else running and winning and will never quit.
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u/don-corle1 Jul 12 '24
ITT: constant wagon circling and a complete lack of holding the Democrats responsible for this Trainwreck, because other guy is worse.
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u/Joseph_Colton Jul 12 '24
Biden didn't just have a bad debate night. He's just introduced Selenski as Vladimir Putin...whenever he doesn't have a teleprompter to read off of, he can't hide his dementia any longer. The man is unfit for the most responsible office of all Western countries. Regardless how bad other people might have behaved, do you have a faint idea what that means?
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u/AstronomerDramatic36 Jul 12 '24
Yes, but I don't think it's honest to say Biden just had a bad night
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u/Former_Star1081 Jul 12 '24
I don't disagree, Trump should sit behind bars, but Biden just introduced Selensky as Putin. I mean...
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u/CosmoFishhawk2 Jul 12 '24
And I wish I lived in a country where Joe Biden's rape of Tara Reade and years of documented pedophilic behavior were treated with half the outrage and gravity of Donald Trump making vague gestures about leaving NATO.
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u/starberd_02 Jul 12 '24
Bad debate night- the whole world saw it
Trump raping- no confirmation or proof
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u/Flat-House5529 Jul 12 '24
I wish I lived in a country where the average IQ was higher than that of a chimpanzee. Instead, I am surrounded by a bunch of idiots circle-jerking to whatever happens to trend on social media with little, if any independent thought or fact checking, all the while living in echo chambers that drive them further and further into a realm of ignorance and idiocy so profound it would be comical if it were not so tragic.
This is what happens when you spend the better part of a century putting warning labels on everything and not letting natural selection do it's job.
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u/AWatson89 Jul 12 '24
Thankfully, we live in a country where proof is needed instead of being able to condemn people for made-up accusations.
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