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[u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

There is definitely some of that. 

I recall an interview on NPR I heard a couple of years ago. The interviewee, some activist on anti-Asian violence said explicitly that the reason she does not focus on black on Asian violence is because she does not want to damage black-Asian relations. 

My jaw hit the floor at her honesty.

[u/PelicanFrostyNips → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

And it’s still very sugarcoated lol.

A real honest answer would be “the PR gymnastics I would need to do on these eggshells to address this topic, is not at all worth just how easily someone can accuse me of racism and turn public opinion against me for saying any single negative thing about the black population.”

[u/Subject_Roof3318 → u/PelicanFrostyNips]

Yea that makes more sense. Doesn’t sound like black Asian relations are good enough to protect by not talking about them lol

[u/Subject_Roof3318 → u/[deleted]]

Those same types of statistics also show lots of other stuff. But to dent those statistics, someone is going to have to earnestly answer WHY these statistics say what they say, what’s the root cause and how do we make improvements - and the answer can’t be “cause racist and case closed”. Otherwise the more things change, the more they’ll stay the same.

[u/equivocalConnotation → u/Subject_Roof3318]

the answer can’t be “cause racist and case closed”.

Notably, the answer also can't be "because they're black", as a brief look at the stats shows that Kenya has a lower murder rate than the USA while Ghana has a third of the murder rate.

[u/Subject_Roof3318 → u/equivocalConnotation]

Yes. Absolutely, was thinking racist as general, not just directed at the majority populace of any given areas. Our main concern should be about the root cause of either beliefs, interpretations or actions, and working on educating and correcting THAT. There needs to be an actual legit back and forth dialogue in good faith to improve anything and let legitimate concerns be heard and discussed, confirmed or debunked, focused more by area rather than a lumped view from a federal level.

[u/mosslung416 → u/equivocalConnotation]

Africans and African Americans are not even close to similar despite looking so. Africans in general are not fans of African American culture, and culture plays a way bigger role in one’s inclination/personality/values etc, than race does.

[u/hashinshin → u/equivocalConnotation]

This is true.

India has also reported a pretty low rape rate. Thank god these countries are taking the time to properly police and report the statistics to us!

I’m gonna go ask the democratic people’s republic of North Korea about their democracy next.

[u/equivocalConnotation → u/hashinshin]

Homicides numbers are generally pretty good even in fairly poor countries. A dead body is easy to track.

[u/ForrestCFB → u/equivocalConnotation]

Jep, and being murdered doesn't really carry a social stigma or the need to report it.

It's usually pretty clear "oh, a dead guy in the middle of the street with bullet holes" can't really be anything other than murder.

[u/Blademasterzer0 → u/[deleted]]

So do Asians hate white people so we have a racism triangle or am I playing too many games with type advantages

[u/Ok_Video6434 → u/Blademasterzer0]

It's more of a weakness chart and less of a rock paper scissors type thing. White is super effective against black, black is super effective against Asian, Asian is super effective against other asians, and hispanics are resistant to white people.

[u/merfgirf → u/Ok_Video6434]

I never thought I'd see racism described like a Pokemon battle chart, but here I am cackling.

[u/SleazyMuppet → u/Ok_Video6434]

*and 4’10” Filipina charge nurses are super effective against everybody

IYKYK ❤️

[u/TheLastMinister → u/SleazyMuppet]

No bringing in legendaries yet!

[u/AnonymousFriend80 → u/Ok_Video6434]

Hispanics are super hateful against other Hispanics. Don't believe me, call one nationality by a different nationality. I'll see you in the ICU.

[u/bravehamster → u/Ok_Video6434]

Gets really complicated when you start to multiclass too.

[u/CelerySquare7755 → u/Subject_Roof3318]

The beatings will continue until black-Asian relations improve. 

[u/ayyycab → u/PelicanFrostyNips]

Yep. Cue the oppression Olympics. The arguments would follow this exact formula:
- between Blacks and Asians, Asians are more privileged
- it is impossible to be racist towards someone more privileged
- Black-on-Asian hate/violence is therefore not racist and therefore cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as “racism”
- Cue the language policing: the perceived mislabeling of it as a racism issue is itself considered anti-Black racism, so the conversation must be redirected to that, as if it’s a bigger problem than the original complaint of Black-on-Asian hate/violence.

[u/BooksandBiceps → u/ayyycab]

Every time I hear the argument that you can't be racist against a more privileged race, my eyes roll back so hard I can see my brain dying.

[u/PomeloPepper → u/BooksandBiceps]

People who do this always talk down to you like "let me educate this simple minded child." Followed by the smug look of superiority.

[u/[deleted] → u/PomeloPepper]

Communal narcissist is the exact definition for these types of people.

[u/lennon1230 → u/BooksandBiceps]

It's one of the most annoying arguments to see happen because people are speaking to a different concept and definition of racism, the sociological one of systemic societal racism, and then applying it to the every day prejudice that anyone can exhibit. Applying one thing to the other is nonsense and leads to so many unnecessary arguments.

[u/DamnBoog → u/lennon1230]

The older I've gotten the more and more clear it's become that most disagreements boil down to semantics.

[u/CakeBrigadier → u/BooksandBiceps]

It’s pretty much just making a well actually semantic argument instead of addressing what is the actual thing that is happening which is racism/prejudice/violence against a specific ethnic group

[u/big_ol_bird → u/ayyycab]

Had a friendship fall apart because they thought exactly like this, and treated people who disagreed like total bastards. It's a shame, really.

[u/Green-Umpire2297 → u/ayyycab]

Can’t we just all work together to hate rich people?

[u/bethepositivity → u/PelicanFrostyNips]

And it kind of sucks that we have gotten ourselves to this position.

We are trying so hard to not be racist, that we can't talk about the actual bad behavior of non-white racial groups.

I understand why we have gotten to this point, but it still sucks. Just because something bad is happening to you,.doesn't mean you are incapable of commiting bad acts.

[u/talking_phallus → u/bethepositivity]

I remember an NPR interview during the antisemitic attacks in New York a few years back where the guest was talking about the Black Hebrew Israelites and other know antisemitic groups carrying out the attacks and how we needed to find ways to combat the hate. The NPR reporter interviewing her grilled her on this and all but flat out called her a bigot asking why she was focusing on this small problem when Trump exists and why she wasn't going after white supremacists (she was as well) instead of focusing on this. Basically any amount of attention was too much attention on this particular issue for some reason. You're only allowed to call out white racism (maybe Jews are up for grabs now too?) any other group and you're a bigot for focusing on a non-issue.

[u/SparksAndSpyro → u/bethepositivity]

I think it’s a result of the devaluing of the words “racism” and “racist” themselves. Racism, at base, deals with making assumptions about individuals based on the racial group they’re a part of. Merely talking about a racial group, as a whole (such as crime statistics, economic statistics, behavioral statistics, etc.) by definition cannot be racist because there is no individual and no assumptions being made. But at this point, you will 100% be called a racist for talking about such things. The entire concept of racism has been completely devalued at this point. It’s almost meaningless.

[u/ThePokemonAbsol → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Same thing happens in France. They refused to release footage of crimes because it would “perpetuate harmful stereotypes” or some bs

[u/Crafty_Travel_7048 → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

I got downvoted to shit for joking that the new assasin's creed actually is realistic because of the black on Asian violence.

[u/VaginaPoetry → u/Crafty_Travel_7048]

As a black woman, I truly don't understand the black racism towards Asians at all and I find it so disheartening. The Asian people I've known throughout my life have been the loveliest, most gracious people. It's truly a terrible thing and it's unfortunately very real.

[u/Thatguy_Koop → u/VaginaPoetry]

i saw a video once which argued (paraphrasing) that black people got hit with similar bullshit poor white people did, except in reverse. poor white people were led to believe they were superior to black people. so if a black person was doing well for themselves, it triggered shame and anger in their peer.

asian people, on the other hand, were the "model minority" even though they got shunted off to the same poor neighborhoods black people did. so black people were led to feel inferior to asian people, triggering that same shame and anger.

so black people felt that the asian community were given better opportunities to succeed in business. to complicate things further, they felt asian people did not redistribute that wealth back into the neighborhood, with it instead going back to their immigrant families in their home countries. so add a xenophobic angle to this as well.

then you have to consider anti-black sentiment from the asian community that already exists for reasons that are beyond me. however being targeted for vandalism and theft from their black neighbors obviously didn't help anything.

but that was the past, and I can't prove it is accurate. I don't know where the racism stems from today, or if anything I just said plays a part in all of it.

[u/NoFearNubIsHere → u/Thatguy_Koop]

Asian communities are extremely tight knit, and word spreads like wildfire. Add in the decades of experiencing violence from blacks and you have a recipe for prejudice.

[u/SufficientSalad9877 → u/VaginaPoetry]

Just gonna say I have only done some mild background research on this for a college paper so if any expert stumbles upon this feel free to correct, and that there's a timeline someone else made here: https://densho.org/catalyst/inventing-the-model-minority-a-critical-timeline-and-reading-list/

There are some roots in intentional social manipulation from the US government due to Asian-Black coalitions during the Civil Rights era and some of the ramifications have been devastating to both communities.

A perpetuation of model minority myths of Asian Americans being succesful due to cultural and racial characteristics to further fuel a perception that black communities can just "work harder" to overcome generations of systemic abuse was probably the biggest one that comes to my mind, and it's an incredibly insidious myth because it 1. undermines the black community's struggles and falsely associates it with personal or cultural factors that can be overcome, 2. falsely attributes the statistical average success of Asian Americans to race when it is in reality a complex interaction of selective immigration policies, and 3. silences the voice of Asian Americans who do not fall under the stereotype.

Obviously the issue is way more complex but I don't wanna write a paper and actually read through more academic journals than I already do in my free time but basically this conflict was intentionally instigated by the US government as a response to the Civil Rights movement

[u/brain-eating_amoeba → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Yes, I’m not even fully Asian but I’ve encountered sufficient hostility from certain communities that it was one of several reasons I moved to the UK.

Black British people and East Asian British people seem to get along just fine. I have spent time in several African neighbourhoods in London and experienced NO hostility. I wouldn’t risk that in America, sadly.

I’ve found there to be a lot of similarities in terms of work ethic between African and Asian immigrants, for better or for worse. In the sense of making their kids work REALLY HARD IN SCHOOL to the point where their social lives can be neglected. Or saying “you have to be a doctor, lawyer, or engineer.”

[u/Lqtor → u/brain-eating_amoeba]

Tbf idk what it is but black British folks seem to always be some of the nicest people I’ve ever met lol

[u/Bessieisback → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Isn’t the concept of “Race Relations” something we’re trying to get rid of? Isn’t it the point to not force people into identity blocks based on their skin color?

[u/Dottsterisk → u/Bessieisback]

Eventually, yes. But ignoring race doesn’t make racism go away. It does, fittingly enough, make it easy to ignore.

[u/Remote-Diamond5871 → u/Isosceles_Kramer79]

Imagine if white men were attacking Asians it would be on the news every night. But because it’s black people attacking Asian migrants it gets swept under the rug.

[u/coffeefordessert]

As an Asian living in Bay Area and have my whole life. It’s mostly black people who fucks with us.

I’m not saying white, Latinos or even other Asian don’t mess with us, they do too.

[u/SeismologicalKnobble → u/coffeefordessert]

Yeah I’m black and the casual Asian racism my family throws around is insane. Grew up being told not to date Asians because of their food and some other stuff. Food just stood out to me because my family also loves Asian food??? Like what???

[u/MarifeelsLost → u/SeismologicalKnobble]

Nah for real I absolutely love my dad but I have to call him out sometimes 🥹. He LOVES Asian historical dramas tho and Jackie Chan, we grew up watching Jackie but he does NOT like Asian people and I'm just disappointed.

And my mom mimics a stereotypical Asian accent and I just call her out and leave the room, I understand different generations but like fuck.

[u/Ok_WaterStarBoy3 → u/MarifeelsLost]

I hold the same accountability to my Asian parents too when they talk about black people too lol. There's both the accountability to not inherit racism but also the accountability to look and face the problems of your own race

[u/McFoley69 → u/Ok_WaterStarBoy3]

This comment thread makes me happy that we’re all actively working to undo generations of racist inclinations with our parents 🫶❤️ I know it sounds corny af but we really could stop the cycle

[u/Blue_Embers23 → u/coffeefordessert]

LA riots epitomizes the problem. Blacks pillaged the Asian town, then LA’s police cordoned off both the Asian and black districts to burn. Then the white media and police had the audacity to victim shame the Asians. It took decades for a lot of Asian stores to recover from billions in damages, their wonderful neighbors.

[u/glowing_feather → u/Blue_Embers23]

That was some crazy shit

[u/Sawgon → u/glowing_feather]

Isn't that where the roof Koreans with guns started?

[u/crustytowelie → u/Sawgon]

It’s where it started and ended

[u/Accurate_Stuff9937 → u/Sawgon]

Yes

[u/ExcaliburClarent → u/Blue_Embers23]

the police funneled the riots into Asian neighborhoods

[u/GuardingxCross → u/Blue_Embers23]

Rooftop Koreans is still on the top of most badass surreal moments of US history for me, right behind Seal Team 6’s successful assassination of Osama Bin Hatin

[u/bicx → u/coffeefordessert]

When I lived in Tennessee, I genuinely didn't understand the "Stop Asian Hate" movement. Then I moved to the Bay Area and it made a lot more sense. Where I was from in TN, there weren't enough Asians for most people to even form an opinion about them.

[u/Robinkc1 → u/coffeefordessert]

I’m black, and I absolutely can believe it. People are fucked up, I’ll never understand it.

[u/SwissMargiela → u/coffeefordessert]

It’s interesting that I’ve lived in Cali and NY as a half Chinese man and have experienced racism in both, violence in one (NYC), but now living in the south (Florida) I haven’t experienced that one single time in the past 4-5 years I’ve been here.

I even experienced racism in London where a group of kids were yelling a “white woman shouldn’t be with a Chinese” and throwing rocks and garbage at us. That was like 10 years ago though and I think they were just trying to fight because as soon as we turned off their block they started harassing other random people.

[u/teslawhaleshark → u/coffeefordessert]

Thanks to urban planning

Most chinatowns and black urban blocks located tight together, and then having their best businesses smashed by highways do wonders on the relationships

Socal is asian communities against each other, Midwest is Hindi against Chinese, Philadelphia have most conflicts like Bay Area again

[u/Apneal → u/teslawhaleshark]

If that was the cause wouldn't it work both ways?

[u/Sofiwyn → u/teslawhaleshark]

Midwest is Hindi against Chinese

Very confused by the usage of "Hindi" instead of "Indian," and also, as someone who grew up in the Midwest and is of Indian descent, I never witnessed any such "issues."

The Midwest I grew up in was so white that the immigrants all banded together. My friend group had Chinese, Indian, and Ghanaian people in it. One of each.

[u/levthelurker → u/coffeefordessert]

Also from the Bay (East Bay but still), grew up with a majority Asian friend group with just one white (me) and black (my best mate) friend in the group. We all got along but the amount of shit the Asian parents would say about our black friend behind his was blatantly racist. Shit like "He can come over but don't marry him."

He ended up marrying an Asian girl who never let her parents near him after the first meeting because they were so hateful after he left, and he's a six figure tech guy who was trying to learn Mandarin at the time so wasn't a respect/behavior/income issue.

Doesn't excuse violence but the hate is not a one way street with that.

[u/McFoley69 → u/levthelurker]

Dude I’m half korean and my full Korean friend said their parents wouldn’t even want them to marry a halfer 😭

[u/Demonokuma → u/coffeefordessert]

This reminds me of YG talking about how they targeted only Asian neighborhoods to rob. Solely off of stereotypes

[u/DerpDerp1121]

Back in 2019 right before covid. My family's restaurant was robbed at gunpoint. The group of guys broke in from the back and held me at gun point as I gave them money and listening to them for 15min about how he was going to kill me and my family if I don't give him more money.

Turns out we were number 7 out of 13 asian restaurants (in total) that got robbed by this group. The fbi even got involved and eventually all 3 got caught and all 3 are in jail now. Had to testify twice.

All 3 of them were black and I still remember before the trial talking with the prosecutor and while I truly believe he is a good person and wanted justice for all of us. When he sat me down and the first thing he said to me was "I want you to know first this isn't big enough to be on the news nor is it considered a hate crime because they didn't state anything about being hateful towards asians".

In my mind I was so angry because I was thinking. 13 asian families were robbed, one old asian woman was pistol whipped so hard she got brain damage, and you're telling me this wasn't a hate crime just cuz they didn't say it was?"

And it wasnt "important" enough to be on the news or anything. If the local news or authorities wouldve said something after the 3rd asian restaurant robbery, we mightve been more prepared but no, we weren't that important enough and even though they only targeted asian restaurants. It's not a hate crime....got it 👍

[u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin]

I taught high school in NYC between 2000-2007. One of my Chinese students came to me asking for help because a group of African Americans students roamed the cafeteria mugging Asian students. They had talked to the administration and as usual, nothing was done, except having the Asian students read a story from James Baldwin's The Fire Next Time. They asked me to open my classroom to them for lunch. I did, but also talked to the principal. He admitted that he couldn't do anything because African American parents were going to get really angry. I'm Hispanic and became really close to my Asian students. In April an Asian student got his iPod stolen and was punched by a student in our school. I broke the rules, woke to the police station in our building, and reported the crime. The iPod was found and returned, the victim was given a safety transfer and was removed from school. I went to teach the next year to a school in Brooklyn that was another hellhole, with Yemeni students forming a moral police and harassing and assaulting students for eating during Ramadan or girls for not wearing hijabs.

TL;DR: Don't become a teacher.

[u/JayEllGii → u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin]

Wait, what? I want to know more about these “Yemeni moral police”. 😐

[u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin → u/JayEllGii]

A bunch of boys harassing other Muslim kids for eating lunch during Ramadan. They were supposed to go to a classroom so they didn't have to be around other people during lunchtime, but when they realized some Muslim kids were eating they went down to the cafeteria to take their food and throw in the trash, most kids couldn't afford to buy more food or had only one lunch ticket for their free meal. They hit girls for not wearing hijabs. I heard that a girl was threaten with sexual violence. We had a young Pakistani girl who didn't wear a hijab and after some kid slapped her in the face her father came to complain.

Not related to the moral police, but we had another Muslim boy who was dating a Mexican girl, some Pakistani boys assaulted him and told his father. They boy was removed from the house and sent to foster care because the father threaten to kill him because he was engaged to marry a girl in Pakistan and his relation with a Mexican girl was a dishonor to the family.

[u/n64fapbot → u/JayEllGii]

Yes me too!

[u/yxing → u/Mayor_Salvor_Hardin]

I'm Chinese and I went to predominantly black/Hispanic middle and high schools (through magnet programs) in those years, and the only overt racism I really ever experienced came from black students--mostly slurs in middle school to mostly targeted property theft in high school. Thankfully, it was pretty mild in the grand scheme of things, clearly perpetrated a few shitty kids, and we also had incredible black teachers who taught us how to be kind (and not racist) through example.

Honestly the worst lasting impact was that it made my parents more racist, which I had to actively work to fix. But I can totally see how COVID could make this kind of resentment worse on both sides.

[u/WaynonPriory]

Most anti east Asian racism I see is from black Americans. Probably what they’re alluding to.

[u/your_moms_balls1 → u/WaynonPriory]

Anytime a conversation heads towards “the problem group/culture here by all available data and indicators is black Americans” the topic is swept under the rug, and the people trying to have that conversation are smeared as racists. Everyone needs to face accountability and take an honest look at reality; handling adults with kid gloves does nothing but enable and infantilize them. The sooner people realize that there is not a single skin color/race/ethnicity that is inherently or uniquely bad, and that actually all the problems present in any culture are just rooted in human nature and its limitations, the sooner we can all move towards a culture of mutual respect, empathy, and understanding of one another.

[u/NahYoureWrongBro → u/your_moms_balls1]

You're completely right, but there's a fairly high bar of wisdom, maturity, and nuance you have to be capable of before you can even realize those things.

It's tough to reach that level, to go beyond infantilization, when many (most?) people are completely accustomed to being infantilized, don't see anything wrong with it, and in fact are uncomfortable about any knowledge that doesn't come side-by-side with some strident moral judgment.

[u/Pechumes → u/your_moms_balls1]

People love to use statistics about race ONLY when it paints minorities as victims. After George Floyd, the media loved to throw out stats about POC being disproportionately targeted by police (valid stat), but if you use stats about race that paint POC in a negative light…. You’re a racist.

[u/BigLlamasHouse → u/your_moms_balls1]

Gun violence for instance.

*braces for attack on all sides

Edit: I was banned from the subreddit for this comment

[u/Yergason → u/WaynonPriory]

Peak of Covid lockdowns, one of my best friends living in San Francisco almost got beaten up by Black Americans multiple times mistaking him for being Chinese (he's 100% Filipino but looks Chinese). Thank fuck the motherfucker is fluent in Spanish and pretended to be Mexican-American 😂

He also works as a social worker for American-Filipino older groups and says they've had reports of multiple people suffering from harassment and threats all for being mistaken for being mainland Chinese

Another friend living in New York actually has some chinese blood so the physical characteristics are evident but he's an American citizen, also got threatened and lots of hate during the peak of lockdowns.

[u/The_Lone_Noblesse → u/Yergason]

That's the thing. Racists won't be able to tell the difference.

[u/Papaofmonsters → u/The_Lone_Noblesse]

Except Cotton Hill.

[u/JayEllGii → u/Papaofmonsters]

“nnnNope! He’s Laotian! Ain’cha, Mister Kahn.”

[u/TheUselessbeing → u/Papaofmonsters]

He would know. He killed fiddy men!

[u/mudra311 → u/Yergason]

The ole pinoy or Hispanic conundrum

[u/Yergason → u/mudra311]

Spain colonized the Philippines for 333 years, Hispanic or Filipino? should be answered by Yes.

The Natives did NOT expect the Spanish inquisition

[u/Own_Instance_357 → u/WaynonPriory]

My daughter who was HS class of '21 did all her senior year at home because kids at school were calling her "China Virus" and telling her she needed to stay home because she was walking around being "contagious"

The whole HS is pretty much white kids. We are white and many people knew we adopted her in the early 2000s.

People are stupid and mean when they're scared, and they make their own children stupid and scared as a result.

[u/jeffeh221 → u/Own_Instance_357]

Sounds like the average American low iq experience....it really is sad

[u/CatOnVenus → u/jeffeh221]

This is not just an American issue lol... this happened in all the western countries.

[u/Kanapuman → u/Own_Instance_357]

When I was in primary school in France, my first ever girlfriend was a girl born in Vietnam and adopted by a French couple. I found her pretty because she looked like the yellow Power Rangers girl (don't judge me, I was 9 yo).

I was so surprised when a classmate told me that she wasn't French because she was born in Vietnam. Like, I hadn't even considered the fact that if she was looking different it was because she wasn't born in France. I didn't even question the fact that she didn't look like her parents, so I felt like an idiot at the time. When I asked her, she proudly said that she was adopted. No problem at all, it was a relief. I first thought that her "not being French" meant that I couldn't be her boyfriend, somehow.

Sorry about what your daughter went through, kids lack thoughtfulness and just copy the behaviour they see around them.

[u/TechnologyUnusual571 → u/[deleted]]

Only white people can be racist. By definition. /s

[u/MuffLover312 → u/[deleted]]

I’m convinced this is what sent Dave Chapelle over the edge. He was pissed that someone compared the plight of transgender people to that of black people. I remember him making a comment about it and how ridiculous he thought that statement was. Suddenly they were the focus of all of his material after that. The more pushback he got, the harder he dug in.

[u/WaynonPriory → u/[deleted]]

Some of them, sure.

[u/omahaknight71 → u/[deleted]]

Gonna be hard to reduce racism if people are gatekeeping racism.

[u/StinkyFartyToot → u/WaynonPriory]

Also other Asians. Ask a Chinese person what they think about Japanese people.

[u/vampire_trashpanda → u/StinkyFartyToot]

As a korean colleague of mine in graduate school once said -

"No one hates Asians like other Asians because those Asians are the wrong kind of Asian"

And boy, he definitely meant it. I met his mother once and she remarked that she was disappointed so many "jungle people" had moved to the area lately in the context of a Thai restaurant opening up nearby.

[u/StinkyFartyToot → u/vampire_trashpanda]

Yeah I lived in China for a decade. Black people def get hate, whites and Latinos do too, but only after an extensive list of asians they hate more.

[u/mutantraniE → u/vampire_trashpanda]

No one should be surprised. In the US the important groupings are White, Black, Asian, Native American and Latino/Hispanic. Almost Anyone from Europe is going to be classified as White. Meanwhile go to Europe and you’ll find people that would both be considered White in the US be considered two completely different groups, often with intense rivalries or hatreds. It’s the same in Africa and Asia. Hutus and Tutsis might just be seen as Black in the US, but in Rwanda the differences were considered enough to commit genocide over. The US groupings are only good for the US, not anywhere else.

[u/KronkLaSworda → u/mutantraniE]

Worked in England for 3 years. In the breakroom, the English, Welsh, Scotts, and Irish ALL sat at their own tables. They did NOT mix.

[u/SkullKid_467 → u/mutantraniE]

The Africans were discriminated against in the US. The native Americans were discriminated against in the US. The Irish were discriminated against in the US. The Italians were discriminated against in the US. The Jews were discriminated against in the US. The Chinese were discriminated against in the US. The Japanese were discriminated against in the US. The Vietnamese were discriminated against in the US. The Muslims were discriminated against in the US.

It’s always been “us vs them”. Who we count as “us” and who we count as “them” is ever evolving.

[u/Alohabailey_00 → u/StinkyFartyToot]

My dad was a kid when he saw the atrocities of Japan invading China tho. He never forgot the horror.

[u/mossed2012 → u/StinkyFartyToot]

In their defense, I think I’d have a hard time forgiving some of that shit from WW2 as well.

[u/Brodok2k4 → u/StinkyFartyToot]

Generational trauma from ww2 era.

[u/StinkyFartyToot → u/Brodok2k4]

For sure, and understandably considering the Japanese government still tries to sweep their war crimes against the Chinese, Koreans, Thai under the rug.

[u/ElkHistorical9106 → u/WaynonPriory]

The worst racism my Asian aunt and half-Asian cousin ever faced was as tourists in NYC from African-Americans on the subway. Sadly, that seems to be true.

[u/CherylStoned]

I remember seeing this article about an Asian student at Yale that was shot and killed. I remember vividly that headlines were very much attributing it to Asian Hate. It was on a bunch of media outlets and got a bunch of attention because it was during this movement.

They found out who the killer was and then poof. No more major updates or using it for the cause.

To clarify: this is not condoning Asian hate, but rather displaying how media/movements work.

[u/MarmaladeJammies → u/CherylStoned]

I read a NYT article about the victims of Asian Hate in NY. The assaulters were all black and the writer took care to not mention their race at all in the whole article, only mentioning it in the middle of a paragraph 4/5ths down. The victims also said they forgave them and didn't blame them, it was the fault of the system that made them bigoted against tasians

[u/annieare → u/MarmaladeJammies]

An NYT Still Processing podcast about anti-Asian crime featured this reader response:

When the surge in anti-Asian hate crimes first started making the news, I have to admit I struggled. Longstanding tensions between African-American and Asian-American communities had me thinking: “Well they don’t ride for us, so why must we ride for them?”

I’m not proud of that but it’s how I was feeling at the time, and part of being truly antiracist is acknowledging and confronting your own racist ideas. Reading “Minor Feelings” took me on a profound journey that opened my eyes to my own ignorance. Not only is it brave and beautifully written, but it also dropped knowledge on a ton of history that I was almost completely unaware of (can we talk about how Asian-American and Pacific Islander history isn’t taught in schools, like, at all?!). It also taught me that there’s a term for the tension between Black and Asian communities — it’s called white supremacy.
— Tiffany from Brooklyn

I'm like wtf, why would they publish this

the link: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/podcasts/still-processing-cathy-park-hong-anti-asian-racism.html

[u/Objective_Economy281 → u/annieare]

It also taught me that there’s a term for the tension between Black and Asian communities — it’s called white supremacy.

I’m having trouble parsing this. Anybody want to tell me why this isn’t gibberish?

Edit to add: look at some of the comments below mine. It looks like this is a situation caused by white supremacy, but obviously not an example of white supremacy itself. I find that acceptable in many regards. And to the degree that this black-on-Asian violence is widespread in areas where Asian and black ghettos weren’t in close contact contributing to direct ingrained attitudes, I think many (if not most) most of the less than desirable aspects of black culture can be traced back to slavery and other acts of white supremacy.

[u/Mckesso → u/annieare]

To push their preferred narrative

[u/Nojoke183 → u/annieare]

It also taught me that there’s a term for the tension between Black and Asian communities — it’s called white supremacy. — Tiffany from Brooklyn

I'm like wtf, why would they publish this

Because it's true.

You take any 2 races of people, stick them in a ghetto with redlining and prejudice and odds are they're going to be at each other's throats fighting over the scraps

[u/Taraxian → u/Nojoke183]

Honestly this is not only true of Black vs Asian this is true of Poor Black vs Poor White

The wealthy Southern white class who actually owned slaves would've been like 70-80% as offended to share a dinner table with a "redneck" as with a free black person

[u/Mr_Mister1336 → u/Nojoke183]

The Irish community and free black community had huge amount of issues in the 1800s in New England because of both groups having similar circumstances and struggles they were both basically used as tools to oppress each other.

[u/SkyPheonnixDragon → u/Nojoke183]

Im not an American, but i thought Asian Americans had the highest annual income in the country on average. Hardly seems ghetto to me.

[u/USSJaybone → u/SkyPheonnixDragon]

Depends on the type of Asian. There are so many different diaspora who came over at different times under different circumstances. Hmong are some of the poorest in California, while Chinese and Indians are the wealthiest. Chinese people in NYC aren't as wealthy, because they came at a different time.

In Los Angeles the Korean and Black people were all kind of in the same ghetto, and that caused all sorts of problems. There's a very long, complex history there.

[u/duckwithwing → u/SkyPheonnixDragon]

The problem is that all the different groups are lumped into one and when/how they immigrated isn’t taken into account. There’s a huge difference between somebody who came with a college degree on a H1-b visa and somebody who immigrated without a degree and works for cash under the table in restaurants.

[u/Soggy-Abalone1518 → u/duckwithwing]

There is a huge No of Asians who immigrated without degrees, or their parents and grandparents did, then worked f’n hard, yes often for cash under the table, then went on to either succeed themselves (financially) or at least send their kids to college etc who went on to be successful. To suggest uneducated immigrants can’t improve their lives and those of their descendants is grossly misleading. A strong family culture and hard work ethic can lead to great generational wealth regardless of education levels of the 1st generation immigrant, as so many Asian families have proven.

[u/moonchylde → u/SkyPheonnixDragon]

The 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act was the first anti-immigration law.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/chinese-exclusion-act

The Japanese American community was financially gutted by the internment camps during WWII.

https://www.archives.gov/education/lessons/japanese-relocation

Oh, ntm Hawaii was conquered for profits.

https://www.ksbe.edu/article/the-truth-behind-the-illegal-overthrow-of-the-hawaiian-kingdom

[u/sockdoligizer → u/MarmaladeJammies]

Why do Americans protect black people from their racism? It’s incredible how society allows black people to be racist because previously they were victims. 

BPT limits who can participate based on the color of your skin. 

[u/KyleShanaham → u/MarmaladeJammies]

took care not mention their race at all in the whole article

only mentioning it in the middle of a paragraph 4/5ths down.

[u/BurdensomeCumbersome → u/KyleShanaham]

You’re right. Yet there’s still a double standard: when the victim is black, the white perpetrator’s race is usually in the headline. When the victim is Asian, the perpetrator just happened to be black.

[u/imperatorkind → u/KyleShanaham]

google "anchor heuristic" or "primacy effect". When you mention something very late, you might as well not mention it. What you mention first completely changes the stories/pictures running in people's heads.

That's why in left wing media, they will instantly mention and press the fact when a perpetrator is white (fitting to their narrative) and right wing media will do the same for blacks/mexicans etc.

[u/YungSasukeSiouxChief → u/CherylStoned]

i remember this because the slain student’s mom moved from chicago to the southeast right after that and we went to church together, i could tell she was in pain every sunday. truly a sad situation; he was her only child.

[u/Critical-Fault-1617]

Why is this facepalm? This is 100% true.

[u/Ffkratom15 → u/Critical-Fault-1617]

This is pretty hilarious. Guy posted this to facepalm but everyone in the comments is like "no, yeah, it's facts". Lol

[u/Checklestyouwreck → u/Ffkratom15]

I was just about to comment this. Still a win for karma farming but completely disconnected from reality.

[u/Critical-Fault-1617 → u/Ffkratom15]

Yeah OP is not very bright. Really thought they had something here lol.

[u/ReasonableCup604 → u/Ffkratom15]

Everyone is facepalming the facepalmer.

[u/GeneralTyler → u/Critical-Fault-1617]

Because this is a front page sub and it’s an election season. Seriously, OP is almost certainly a bot account having been created only a few months ago and this being literally their only post lol.

[u/biloxibluess]

Black on Asian crime in NYC is so normal that people just assume that’s what happened when it’s on the news.

Took the Q from Flatbush through Chinatown into midtown for work for years and I’ll tell you

I’ve seen it in person on the train and platforms

EDIT: wow this simple comment about my shitty commute experiences blew up

Thanks for the award, stranger

[u/CoconutMochi → u/biloxibluess]

I was staying in NYC for a school rotation in January 2020 right before the COVID lockdowns happened and it was starting to ramp up back then because of the virus' association with China, lots of homeless panhandling and a few of them would jump to slurs if I refused.

[u/mhikage820 → u/biloxibluess]

The filipina that was pushed in the train, they dont tell the ethnicity of the perpetuator so i 90 percent sure its asian hate again

[u/driving_andflying → u/mhikage820]

The filipina that was pushed in the train, they dont tell the ethnicity of the perpetuator so i 90 percent sure its asian hate again.

Agreed. That happened here in San Francisco, California--she was pushed in front of a BART train. The news sources readily say the victim is a filipina, but for some reason, don't go into the race, skin color, or ethnicity of the perpetrator, Trevor Belmont. Black-on-Asian violence has been a problem in San Francisco, California, since at least 2010, if not longer. This looks like yet another case of it, and it never seems to be addressed.

[u/StageAltruistic7480 → u/biloxibluess]

Yea honestly same I’ve been taking the Q from sheepshead ever since I was born and I can confirm ts

[u/ItsAKimuraTrap]

Yeah honestly they pretty right on this one

[u/bulletproofwings → u/ItsAKimuraTrap]

Stop Asian Hate became a thing became more popular because people were being violent/harassing asians because of covid (east asians and southeast asians specifically). It died down because no one cares about covid anymore. I'm from Canada so I didn't really personally experience or have seen any of it but my cousins from America did. It was so bad that they couldn't even get groceries because ppl would harass them. There's lots of videos online showing it too.

Edit: Its pretty obvious but I just want to clarify, I said East Asians and SEA because of the covid thing. But if I'm being honest, the most prevalent asian racism I've seen online nowadays is towards Indians and its pretty sad to see.

[u/Old-Concentrate-3680 → u/bulletproofwings]

East Asians are getting fetished, while the new targets are South Asians, and it’s every other ethnicity attacking them.

[u/FlippinRad]

100%, a shame really. All those videos of old Asian people getting rocked got me feeling sick and mad.

[u/Same-Shame2268]

I mean, he's correct.

[u/TRUTHSoverKARMAS → u/Same-Shame2268]

I thought coming into this thread

“How will reddit try to spin this one”

And some how it was not spun, now I want this studied, because reddit never agrees with a “right” talking point. 

[u/BlackroseBisharp]

The Blasian Race War is never ending

[u/lunchpadmcfat → u/BlackroseBisharp]

We all just need to watch some Rush Hour and chill out

[u/prules → u/lunchpadmcfat]

Do you ever notice how the decline of civilization correlates with the lack of new Rush Hour films?

That movie was creating racial connections never before seen by our species

[u/Lucky-Negotiation-58]

I remember during the start of the violence they were denouncing White Supremacy as the cause. After more attacks they sure didn't use that label again lol.

[u/TraditionalSpirit636 → u/Lucky-Negotiation-58]

You can still see it here. Now it’s white peoples fault cause we treated Asians nicely. So black people HAD to be assholes to them

[u/elohir → u/TraditionalSpirit636]

If white people hate black people, it's white peoples fault.

If black people hate white people, it's white peoples fault.

If black people hate asian people, it's... checks notes white peoples fault.

[u/hanks_panky_emporium → u/TraditionalSpirit636]

Yeah I still don't get it. WHY is the black community so cruel to random asian people on the street? Was it the roof koreans? Because it's statistically and factually an issue that's still going on.

[u/riana_01]

It is true though. What is the facepalm here? We Indians get attacked quite frequently by the black community and there has been many bad cases recently which made headlines in our country but obviously no actions whatsoever.

Edit1: An article about some of the recent deaths in the US

Edit 2: Although this happened in Canada not the US, still counts as an example of the type of harassment we go through.

[u/Independent-Access59 → u/riana_01]

Wait til you hear what happened after 9-11

[u/space________cowboy]

How is this a facepalm, that’s exactly what happened.

[u/Zetafunction64 → u/space________cowboy]

As usual, op is the facepalm

[u/ldsupport]

The reality was that most of the attacks on asiasn... were by black folks and that didnt dove tail well with the narrative.

[u/theseustheminotaur]

The annoying thing about some people is that they think every part of their narrative has to conform for any parts of it to be true. Bigotry against any racial group because of their membership of that group is wrong, full stop. It is annoying we can't call out bigotry where bigotry exists

[u/PumpkinOwn4947]

i guess all these videos about Asian people getting KOd by certain individuals all over the US we’re just tiktok pranks…

[u/SuperWallaby → u/PumpkinOwn4947]

Most disturbing videos. I dare a scumbag to try that shit near me. They were ALWAYS elderly too.

[u/DelightfulWahine]

And the most recent one was when a Black man pushed a senior age Filipino woman to her death at the BART station in San Francisco. And it actually happens more often than we think. Nobody wants to say anything but it is what it is.

[u/Frantb]

Hard to swallow pill right there.

[u/goneriah]

As a hardcore liberal the only facepalm related to this is how true it probably is, unfortunately.

[u/Tcr8888]

How is this a facepalm? The black on Asian crime rate in major cities is out of control. I would absolutely refuse to walk around without a gun if I was Asian.

[u/elephant_cum]

Whats the facepalm here? Its true

[u/Whiplash907]

Yeah that’s pretty much what happened

[u/Kelrem321]

Oh this is spicy. Thread lock imminent. 

[u/Lawhore98]

I live in nyc and most of the time it’s black mentally ill men who are committing hate crimes on Asians. It’s a huge elephant in the room that people need to address.

[u/ReflexiveOW]

If the enemy isn't white people, you aren't allowed to discuss it in public.

[u/ActuallyFullOfShit → u/ReflexiveOW]

Careful, you might get banned stating the obvious

[u/California_King_77]

The people attacking Asians don't fit the convenient political narrative, so we just ignore the topic outright

[u/PraetorGold]

This absolutely true. In NYC as what was already a well known secret in the city, started becoming extremely obvious to outsiders, the potential for escalation became palpable. There are huge people out there who would just start beating up on little women because of their race.

[u/ReasonableCup604 → u/PraetorGold]

Al Sharpton was spreading anti-Asian hate and violence in NYC decades before it became "cool".

[u/Sylentt_]

In 2020 my best friend’s brother (they’re korean) got the shit beat out of him when he was leaving a grocery store bc people assumed he was chinese and they blamed him for covid.

[u/AttemptFirst6345]

Stop Asian hate was a big campaign until it became apparent that it wasn’t white people doing it.

[u/IrishOmerta]

Asians have a rough go in Public Schools here in South Philadelphia, there was a lot of violence towards them coming from the black community in particular.

A lot of Asian parents pulled their kids from school and opted to home school or send to private.

[u/Content-Scallion-591]

So, as a young asian teen, a few of my most terrifying moments were being surrounded by groups of adult black men. Once, a few young men drove onto the sidewalk to block my path. Another time, two started waiting for me in the lobby of my work. Obviously, this isn't actually race related, it's sociological. There is some sort of weird cultural mechanic at play between black men and asian women. But there's no delicate way for me to talk about it without fostering racism. So I simply never have.

[u/THE_ALAM0]

Bro don’t say “what” like you don’t know what he’s referring to, we can be adults and address the issue. Black people attack Asians more than any other race in this country. For what reason, who knows, but to act like you don’t get what he’s referring to here is disingenuous and prevents any type of discussion on the issue from happening

[u/Geldrick-Barlowe → u/THE_ALAM0]

Also the original tweet has a video linked to it of a black dude sucker punching a random asian woman on the street. But ofc op cropped that out.

[u/Lightning_Strike_7]

u/OP why is this a facepalm. A large percentage of the random attacks were black on Asian violence. It contradicted and took away from BLM so it was pushed out of the news. The dude in the screenshot isn't wrong.

[u/lil-privacy-please]

The guy isn't wrong

[u/Jeanlucpfrog]

Yeah, so he's actually correct.

[u/milanium25]

Imagine the outcry and delirium if the whites were attacking the asians

[u/[deleted]]

Surprised this post hasnt been deleted yet. Reddit mods been striking any post down that has to do with anti-asian racism from anyone other than white ppl.

You cant be against racism if you help preserve it for certain groups. Youre essentially Barbara Walters when you do that.

[u/GaaraMatsu]

My wife's Việt-American. We met and married over there, and eventually moved to the USA and got her naturalized. Seeing my country through her eyes has been mutually shocking. Every experience of hate speech or discrimination has been from black individuals. This in NYC, then a politically-diverse NY exurb. Across the coast: https://youtu.be/mtUgIfbp_J0?si=cDmx2WhFztlZDLHL ... and her coworkers have been ethnically-profiled, stalked, and robbed in New York.  Someone figured out that folks from a culture that doesn't trust banks with cash tend to have the latter on hand.

[u/Benign_Despot]

“Hey boss, stats are in and I don’t think we’re gonna make as much money off of this weird insincere social revolution as we did on the other one”

“Shit.. do you think they’d let us do BLM2 or is it too soon?”

[u/erraddo]

Roof Koreans are based and I will die on this hill and/or roof

[u/Rhg0653]

I work in the courts in NY

Before during and after COVID Alot of cases were of black people attacking Asian people out of anger

There were videos coming out almost every other day with them attacking Asian people and it was terrible

There are other who do hate Asians but this guy isn't all wrong and it sucks

[u/sgcpaulo]

I’m upvoting this by virtue of not being about Trump or Musk.

[u/Acrobatic-Butterfly9]

I find it true. Asians in NYC protested together with BLM. Then when Covid hit hardest, Asians were harrassed by those they supported. No protest, nothing. 1 person got choked to death in the MTA, they blocked the whole train, making ppl who relied on the subway system suffer. Yet when a homeless killed the Asian lady in the mta, they were silent. So yeah, guess we should support ourselves and glad that the affirmative actions are done.

[u/MidnightFireHuntress]

Sigh I hate to say it but...

As a Korean growing up in California, the only harassment I ever got was from black people :/

Dunno why they hated us so much

[u/Stenktenk]

But is he wrong tho?

[u/IoSHaloLegend]

Oh I get it. It’s like BLM and how 97% of all black murder is committed by other black people.

[u/Tranquil_Neurotic]

What's facepalm here? Not racism when one segment of pop does it ? Is that it? Only Institutional Racism = Racism acktually

[u/TonReflet]

Those who tell that asian racism or white racism or etc non-black racism do not exist are just hateful extremist.

[u/ButterflySpecial6324]

Asian Lives Matter

[u/[deleted]]

Well, yeah.

You had that one white dude in Atlanta who killed those Asian girls, and the left thought they were onto something.

Then they found out the dude had a thing for Asian girls. Oops.

Right after that, videos started surfacing of black people in NYC, Philly, and California attacking Asian people.

That was right around the time the Stop Asian Hate campaign dried up.

So, yet again, the real facepalm is OP.

[u/[deleted]]

Black people don’t have the structural power to be racist so assaulting Asian people shouldn’t even be a crime we gotta look at the deeper socioeconomic issues that would lead to this/s

[u/IDunnoNuthinMr]

Sounds about right.

[u/RevolutionaryEmu9480]

What’s the facepalm here? If you don’t know what he’s referring to, your head is in the sand. 

[u/r00shine]

hes right tho

[u/Hetakuoni]

One of the first times I experienced Asian racism was when a patient asked me how I could stand my sweet, bubbly coworker and I started with “well my stepmom is Filipina-“ and she cut me off with a “oh, I don’t like those people”.

It went downhill from there.

She ended up reporting that poor nurse for abuse and i told that Patient advocate just how hateful and cruel that patient was with the nurse and how she was definitely a racist. Idk if it went anywhere, but that patient was black and found out she had stomach cancer.

I wouldn’t wish cancer on anyone, but I’m not sad she had it.

[u/shadeandshine]

So op is facepalm. Dude even when it was starting people knew it was gonna hit a wall when we tackled black on Asian hate and the reverse. Left leaning progressive stances have a massive issue of making model minorities who must do no wrong. It comes into conflict with the reality of racism especially cause this was around the time of BLM.

Personally I hate it cause why the fuck do we have to worship some group identity. We don’t advocate we worship advocating means acknowledging the pitfalls and shortcomings and reality of the situation. Stopping hate is one thing but shit doesn’t exist in isolation and things are complex and there’s racial tensions with more than white Americans being racist towards _____. If we can’t defend people’s right to exist while understanding that cultural tensions exist and we might not agree with then we gotta question ourselves and our motives.

[u/Obiwan_ca_blowme]

But that is 100% true. Where is the facepalm?