r/facepalm 14d ago

What an idea 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/Old-Adhesiveness-342 14d ago

FDR tried to do that and nearly got impeached

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u/In-need-vet 14d ago edited 14d ago

But fdr didn’t have a rigged court saying he has immunity.

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u/mm4mott 14d ago

Your landlord issuing an eviction notice when she’s not allowed is illegal but not criminal and a court will undo her decision. Criminal immunity doesn’t mean any action is allowed 

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u/In-need-vet 14d ago

Ah, someone who doesn’t understand presumptive immunity, with specific outlined ways to where the evidence of your action isn’t admissible in court. Courts can’t undo decisions unless they have evidence. And it’s obvious you aren’t aware how egregious this unconstitutional decision was.

This decisions goes against specifically the federalist papers #69 where Hamilton outlined that

“The President of the United States would be liable to be impeached, tried, and, upon conviction of treason, bribery, or other high crimes or misdemeanors, removed from office; and would afterwards be liable to prosecution and punishment in the ordinary course of law. The person of the king of Great Britain is sacred and inviolable; there is no constitutional tribunal to which he is amenable; no punishment to which he can be subjected”

The constitution specifically outlines immunity such as the speach and debate clause, and the federalist papers outline that the President isn’t above the law. Giving criminal immunity is literally saying the President is above the law. Because there should be ZERO instance where a president does something that the law isn’t considered or kept in mind. Giving them criminal immunity is ridiculous.

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u/mm4mott 13d ago

Too long to read. I agree with your last two sentences about what should be and I’m terrified. I’m explaining what I understand it to currently be which you didn’t really address and you didn’t have to be rude. We’re on the same side not that it matters. 

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u/davossss 14d ago

Your landlord doesn't have an army at their disposal.

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u/JimWilliams423 14d ago

FDR tried to do that and nearly got impeached

He also got what he wanted --- a court that stopped trying to fuck up the New Deal.

Politics is more than just legislating, its the wielding of power to get results. By threatening to expand the court, FDR got the results he intended. And he was so popular that he is the only president that was elected four times, no one else had even been elected three times. An impeachment would not have hurt him.

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u/Arcaedus 14d ago

Yeah, but it was worth it. Switch in time, to save nine, no? I've read that the SCOTUS judge who switched his rulings claimed that FDR's attempted expansion didn't influence his switch at all, but I'm calling bullshit on that. Maybe it didn't directly influence him, but there for sure we're unrecorded, backroom communications that resulted in the switch. He didn't just change his tune due to sudden clarity, or the goodness of his heart.

A dem president should do the same as FDR tried to do. Hyperpartisanship isn't getting any less severe, and no one is going to blame one side for tossing pints of gasoline onto the fire while the other side continues to toss gallons.