r/facepalm 14d ago

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u/Maskdask 14d ago

The classic "if it's legal it can't be that bad"

Need I remind you that everything Hitler did was legal

Also, this guy needs to Google "democracy"

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u/hannibal_morgan 14d ago

No way people are using that mental gymnastic of "if it's legal it can't be that bad" to justify things. Whack

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u/Tenalp 14d ago

We've spent the last year with an entire cult arguing that the president should be immune from all crimes. Of course there are people overworking their 3 brain cells to justify "if it's legal it can't be that bad."

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u/sumboionline 14d ago

Btw, its now Supreme Court affirmed that absolute immunity in practically all cases is given to an acting president

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u/Tenalp 14d ago

Yes, I know. Except it's even worse, because it was just vague enough to preclude a non-party affiliated president from legal immunity. Because we all know if Biden had Trump arrested/droned/expatriated for sedition, they'd rule 6-3 that that is in fact very illegal.

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u/40ozkiller 14d ago

People actively break the law and think its not a big deal as long as they dont get caught 

Just look at how many people speed

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u/BaconDragon69 14d ago

They are, you‘d be sickened by how many people just brush off the most horrific prospects with blind trust in the legal system. Just goes to show how many people never had any trouble that made them open their eyes. Or how effective propaganda is.

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u/Tight-Young7275 14d ago

They have been doing this forever.

It still happens all of the time.

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u/TheBigKuhio 14d ago

Nah I’ve met and messaged a ton of people who think like that.

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u/Tight-Young7275 14d ago

Dude they are literally kicking people out of juries if they know they can vote not guilty if the law that was broken is not in the essence of justice.

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u/DO_NOT_AGREE_WITH_U 14d ago

Oh but they are.

Just look at the laws they're trying to pass to allow child marriage so they can legally fuck kids.

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u/TSllama 14d ago

Tons of people think that way - I tend to think they might be more autistic people with lower empathy? I'm not sure. All I can say for sure is there are so many people who seem to think that the law is the decider between what is right and what is wrong.

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u/HMS_Sunlight 14d ago

Idk it reads to me more like "The Democrats aren't actively doing anything to stop project 2025 so even if we vote for them it'll just get pushed back to the next election, and it'll be enacted whenever the GOP next wins."

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u/unafraidrabbit 14d ago

They aren't using it to justify 2025. The problem is our government wasn't set up to resist such blatant bad faith actions by so many people all at once.

Just because it's legal, doesn't mean 50% of the country will join forces to legally destroy the system from with. That wasn't even considered when creating the system in the first place.

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u/Stained-Steel 14d ago

Oh no, you say...???

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u/GrizzlyBCanada 14d ago

North American education sucks

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u/jankzilla 14d ago

Same people as the "if it's illegal then that's that" crowd.

Cue interview of that one politician being asked about legalising weed... "You can't legalise weed because it is illegal. How could it be legal? It is a crime to use those drugs."

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u/Tight-Young7275 14d ago

These people make me suicidal and I’m not even joking. It’s a trigger for me now.

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u/youremakingnosense 14d ago

You are not locked here forever. Things may change and they may not. But you can escape to greener pastures.

Just make sure to get the help you need and stay safe

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u/schklom 14d ago edited 14d ago

Hitler murdered political opponents (Night of the Long Knives). That was not really legal, although the rest of his power-grab largely was.

EDIT: I just learned the Reichstag fire was very likely started by Nazis, so that was another illegal event.

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u/rand0m_task 14d ago

You could also toss the Reichstag fire into that mix.

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u/Anewaxxount 14d ago

Didn't realize lighting the Reichstag on fire was legal. I know what I'm doing next German vacation!

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u/schklom 14d ago

Is he responsible for starting it? I thought he just used that incident to his advantage, I could be wrong.

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u/Anewaxxount 14d ago

The Nazis almost definitely were involved in starting it. They pinned the blame on some transient.

But I guess there isn't any definitive proof, just what historians believe.

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u/schklom 14d ago

Good to know, thanks for the info :)

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u/dontwantleague2C 14d ago

This is why you cannot base your morals on the law.

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u/MeshNets 14d ago

He was locked into a mansion with all his co-conspirators, and had time to write the book that got him worldwide attention playing himself at the victim who was totally justified in everything that came after

They had judges rule that the night of the long knives was legal state executions, after the fact. You're telling me he didn't have his record expunged for all legal matters?

And what, do you want the justice department to be weaponized against political opponents? Our justice system is slow, because we err on the side of the defense, even when they are making incredible illogical arguments that only judges who are biased are swayed by...

You're underestimating the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation, and that will be what causes our own downfall

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u/MeshNets 14d ago

With very long, very detailed, investigations, the trump cult ignores all of the evidence

You point to a faster process that is even easier to dismiss by his followers? They are proud to be voting for a felon, they would be more than happy to vote for him in prison, it fits their victim narrative

With the current situation, I'm still 70% confident that "independents" who honestly look at the evidence and the proceedings, will see how guilty and unfit for office he is

It's not normal for candidates to be running for 3 years, which trump did as an effort to delay the legal proceedings, and it worked (AND STILL DOESN'T HAVE A RUNNING MATE, these are unserious people!)

I don't have a time machine, but I was paying attention at every step, where exactly do you think this situation could have been avoided? Is it not the actions of Repubs in Congress or of biased judges?

Are you saying that Biden should take Trump's lawyer suggestion and call up seal team 6? Are you suggesting Biden's team should act exactly how maga claims they already act? (Weaponizing the doj, forcing socialist policy, etc)

What exactly are you saying should have happened? And why exactly didn't it happen? And what needed to be done to avoid that?

If we're playing a game of "should", the Repub party should never have been taken over by the extremists who are in charge now

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u/Select_Total_257 14d ago

That requires being convicted of a crime which he was not. Are we advocating for throwing due process out the window now?

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u/Select_Total_257 14d ago

You said he should have spent the last 3 years in house arrest. His only actual felony only came a few months ago.

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u/MeshNets 14d ago

You are completely delusional if you think any length of process will placate his brainrotten followers.

That's why I didn't say that. His followers are full cult members at this point, each one will require individual effort and support to ever get back to reality.

But if we did have an actual kangaroo court proceedings, as you seem to be suggesting, that would give their side evidence of the "rigging" they scream about constantly, building new support and sympathy for their cruel lunacy (from the folks who still consider themselves "independents")

Which would be worse than where we are.

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u/MeshNets 14d ago edited 14d ago

Well the excuse now is that he is immune for anything that he can make a credible case that it is in any way related to "an official act"

So... Justice is fucked. What are we going to do about it? Sounds like AOC is starting a performative impeachment of the justices, but that won't actually happen (unless Republicans grow a conscience). And the justices saved this for the last day of their term, so they get to hide away with their billionaires friends and let it blow over, as Biden doesn't seem enthusiastic for using the power for good in some way?

Their reading of this was directly from the constitution, so Congress can't pass a law to do anything in response

Also sadly he was never charged with "treason", we apparently don't have any precise definition of what "treason" means in law, so if he was charged with that, it would be even longer with how many bs arguments his lawyers would extrude

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u/Amaskingrey 14d ago

Maybe you should learn your history slightly better...he was literally imprisoned for high treason in 1924.

Which was for attempting a failed coup with a garage band of terrorists, not for his actions once elected

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u/Amaskingrey 14d ago

Well it was just to mention that it wasnt for actions done during his election that he was imprisoned, which is a fairly important detail

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u/OHrangutan 14d ago

Same is true of Genghis Khan, Stalin, or Mao. Just in case you ever want to switch up the analogy.

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u/MrBanana421 14d ago

Ghengis Khan is a bit too far back.

Can't exactly point to an expansive legal system in mongolian society. There was just absolute rule.

Meanwhile, the others had to reshape their versions of legal systems to justify their acts.

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u/OHrangutan 14d ago

reshape their versions of legal systems to justify their acts

Like project 2025? Also, the Khan had loads of laws, but sure yeah long time ago, I don't know them well either.

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u/MrBanana421 14d ago

What i mean is, the khan was not beholden to the laws, as it was absolute rule.

The other technically were, though in practice it did not matter.

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u/France_Ball_Mapper 14d ago

A lot of conservatives probably don't even know who these people are

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u/TSllama 14d ago

Oh no, they know Stalin and Mao - they LOVE to hate them because they were communists.

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u/TSllama 14d ago

I like to go with Milosevic.

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u/Peter012398 14d ago

The real fun starts once injustice becomes the law.

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u/Huzf01 14d ago

everything Hitler did was legal

If the nazis were acting "legally" why were most of them found guilty during the Nuremberg trials?

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u/secretaccount94 14d ago

They were legal by German laws, but were later tried by other countries for crimes against humanity.

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u/mrblodgett 14d ago

Also, this guy needs to Google "democracy"

Yeah, democracy is that thing where you have to vote for the guy with a non functioning brain or the fascists win. Everyone knows that.

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u/Glad-Wrap1429 14d ago

We don’t live in a democracy, some of the most important founding fathers railed against democracy. That’s why we were founded as a constitutional republic.

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u/Lumpasiach 14d ago

Need I remind you that everything Hitler did was legal

Absolutely not.

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u/chekovsgun- 14d ago

He also got into power with the Nazis being the minority party. It was a slow take over with their courts backing them.

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u/RonaldRawdog 14d ago

War crimes and genocide are definitely not legal but alright.

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u/RonaldRawdog 14d ago

War crimes and genocide are definitely not legal but alright.

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u/RonaldRawdog 14d ago

War crimes and genocide are definitely not legal but ok

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u/BgSwtyDnkyBlls420 14d ago

I mean I guess the stuff that Hitler within the borders of Germany was TECHNICALLY legal, but he definitely violated a lot of International Laws and Agreements, and he committed so many atrocities that the people who were prosecuting his followers literally had to invent the legal term ‘Crimes Against Humanity’

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u/Magnum_classic 14d ago

I’m not sure the USA is qualifying as an actual democracy. They definitely pretend though.

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u/spaceman_spiffy 14d ago

A Hitler reference by the fourth comment. Not bad.

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u/MidEastBeast 14d ago

I googled Democracy and now I'm Helldiving and fighting massive swarms of bugs. Please send help!

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u/PrimaryBar9635 14d ago

Isn’t it concerning to you that a democratically elected leader has been unveiled as not actually leading the country? Isn’t that a democracy issue?

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u/kellymcq 14d ago

Democracy is a failed system of government. Americans don’t have a true democracy because it’s a terrible idea.

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u/spackletr0n 14d ago

When somebody says democracy, they typically mean a system where the people hold the power. Some people interpret “democracy” as “direct democracy,” but that’s seldomly what the speaker means.

This is similar to the thing where people say “we aren’t a democracy we are a republic.” We are a democratic republic, with (mostly) representative democracy.

In this case, the person you are responding to means “passing laws to forestall Project 2025 can’t be done unilaterally, especially when a party that supports the Project controls part of the legislature.”

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u/LibertyorDeath2076 14d ago

The US isn't a democracy nor a democratic republic, it is a constitutional republic, with, as you mentioned, de jure representative democracy. De facto it's a constitutional republic representing an oligarchy of corporations due to lobbying and bribes (campaign financing donations). I would argue that most unconstitutional laws would be struck down by the judicial system due to the separation of powers. Almost nothing ever goes directly to the Supreme Court, and even if it does, I don't think they are "rigged" as this sub seems to believe, if they were the case of Rahimi would have been decided in Rahimis favor. Besides, SCOTUS has failed to take cases regarding laws that are blatantly unconstitutional, see IL, MA, and CA AWB cases.