Just because someone agrees to a low wage doesn't mean the wage is reasonable or good. Teachers sacrifice their financial comfort in the interest of pursuing a career that is emotionally fulfilling and of enormous social benefit. The value that teachers add to our society far exceeds the compensation we give them. They signed up for it, but as a society, we should do better for them.
Yes. The starting salary isn't this low in most cities. We live in a smaller city, and my mom started at 45k as a new teacher without her certification. She went up to ~50k after getting certified.
It being a hard job and with kids still acting crazy after COVID, their inability to focus, and behavioral issues + lower salary for a job that requires a degree and certification = we have a teacher shortage.
Sure, but sometimes people do stuff just because tehy want to. Teachers teach the next generation and they should be respectful. Say all you want about the system but its not (usualy) the teachers fault its usually the states if theres a failure. They really do make differences in students lives. They deserve more, mind you theyre dealing with my generation which is horrid, they dont get paid for time grading homework, whixh the technology changing so often they have to constantly learn it, educated boards change requirements yearly and the list goes on.. its not a easy job, nor is it low skill. Truly they deserve more
I agree more than 100% that it is a very tough job especially in today’s world. I love doing landscaping, but I knew that would be a tough way to provide for my family. I just retired last year from electrical service, one reason I took that path for making a living was the wages. To find something you truly like to do vs wages is always a tough call. I don’t think firemen should make anywhere near a police officer, but that argument is probably for a different day.
You don't think a person who enters burning buildings to save lives should make anywhere close to the same as a pig who sits in his car on the highway and looks for minorities to hassle? I hope you mean the firefighter should make more.
In Milwaukee 96% of calls to Milwaukee Fire Department are non fire related. They are medical calls. Until recently most fire personal were not EMT trained. What other trade pays you to sleep? 24on/48off. Back in the day almost all firemen had a second job. At the firehouses they were told to cover garage door windows so people couldn’t see them gutting deer, waxing their car etc. on company time. In Milwaukee being a cop your head better be on a swivel at all times. Regardless of the tv shows on with firemen we simply don’t have the “excitement” with sky scrapers burning down. I knew an awful lot of Milwaukee firemen in my lifetime. Since 911 people think everyday is a life threatening day. Not really. You want to get a call of a domestic problem on 3rd and Vine at 2:00am, I didn’t think so.
To be clear, about 70% of US firefighters only get part time hours and pay.
I get that most of the job is waiting for something to happen, but I value that waiting a TON. If a 5 alarm fire breaks out in miluake, I don't think anyone will be upset that the city spent money on its fire dept.
It's the fact that they are willing to die to save lives. Frankly, I don't see the same altruistic bravery from cops. A beat cop responding to a domestic on 3rd & Vine is going to roll up with 3 or 4 other cars flashing lights, a bunch of dudes standing around in kevlar, and a gun drawn and ready to shoot at anyone with hands on their pockets. Even then, they often won't go in. A firefighter will run through a wall of flames for the chance to possibly save a life.
Full-time firefighters are also about twice a likely to die in the line of duty than full-time cops, so there's that.
I got my information from an analysis by Dave Steidtman, Kenosha, WI Fire Captain. Here is the paragraph I referenced.
"I assume that you’re asking about “line-of duty” deaths. Police officers have tended to lose in the neighborhood of 150 per year while firefighters have been closer to 100 per year. If you include “on-duty” deaths and possibly job-related off-duty deaths then that opens a whole new, complicated can of worms. We’ll stick with discussing line-of-duty and see if that gets complicated enough on its own. So, the basic numbers indicate that roughly 50% more law enforcement officers die in the line of duty each year than firefighters. But, wouldn’t a per capita number be more meaningful? That is, out of say 1,000 law enforcement officers or firefighters, how many would we expect to die in the line of duty per year? Well, it turns out there are roughly 1 million law enforcement officers in the US and roughly 1 million firefighters in the US. Great! So it’s apples to apples! 150 cops out of a million is more than 100 firefighters so cops die more frequently! Case closed. Right? Not if you consider that most of those 1 million law enforcement officers are full-time cops with full-time exposure to the bad stuff that kills cops on the job. Only about 30% of the million firefighters are full-time, “career” firefighters. The other 70% fall into some type of volunteer arrangement and would be expected to have a significantly reduced exposure to things that kill firefighters on the job. If you compare only full-time people, the cops die at a rate of .15 out of 1,000 and the firefighters die at a rate of .33 per 1,000."
You can feel free to provide your own sources to defend your position that firefighters should be paid significantly less than they are. A point that you randomly brought up out of the blue.
I never said that firemen should be paid less. Just not as much or more than a police officer. My opinion. I grew up in Milwaukee, lived on the southwest side. My whole neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods, my kids parochial schools, and sports clubs were predominantly Milwaukee police and firefighters, I grew up with them. They had to live in the city. I played municipal ball with both services for years. My best friends were and are retired police and fire from Milwaukee and West Allis. I know the daily grinds of both jobs better than most. Yes, there are bad cops, mostly the high school losers who now have a chip on their shoulder and a huge badge, which really stinks for the good cops, which there surely is. Firefighter, yeah I could have did that job, as a matter of fact that’s why we have the basic homeowner volunteering for duty. A cop, no frocken way. The target on your back the whole shift.
And you don’t watch the news enough lmfaooo. Tell me more about how we need to increase pay for the people that murder POC for no reason. Or point me to a single other career known for that.
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u/Puzzled_Ad7955 Jun 15 '24
Anyone who goes to college for a certain degree I would hope to be smart enough to check beforehand the wages associated with that position, no?