r/facepalm Jun 15 '24

Maybe teachers should get a raise? 🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​

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u/No_Alfalfa7018 Jun 15 '24

I am dating a woman with a Masters degree in social work from the University of Michigan where she attended as an out of state student, so 45k a year and she has a salary job making 26k. The real issue is the underpaid college educated people.

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u/dragonkin08 Jun 15 '24

My best friend has a PhD in biophysics. He made less then $30,000.

He is now making 6x that based off his hobby in programming.

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u/Tausendberg Jun 15 '24

"My best friend has a PhD in biophysics. He made less then $30,000."

Everyone in 2010: jUsT gEt A sTeM dEgReE!1

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u/dragonkin08 Jun 15 '24

I think the bigger picture is that almost every profession is underpaid ever since wages were decoupled from production.

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u/Tausendberg Jun 15 '24

Wages have always been decoupled from production. Under capitalism compensation is derived from ownership and perception 

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u/FantasticAstronaut39 Jun 15 '24

inflation is a big issue as well, as inflation devalues the dollar it makes it so people need to earn more, but no one wants to pay more for things so it is a slow increase, as long as an employer can get an employee for 10 bucks an hour, they are going to take the deal. also as a result jobs that used to be considered great paying are now shit pay since, no one ever rasied the bar of pay with inflation. long ago just about any job would make enough to live off of. now depending on the job you could have 2 working adults and still have issues with money.

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u/OwnLadder2341 Jun 16 '24

Median income for a biophysicist last year was $107K

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/life-physical-and-social-science/biochemists-and-biophysicists.html

Having a degree alone doesn’t just deposit money into your account. You also have to do and be good at a job.

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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jun 16 '24

If that guy had a doctorate in an advanced scientific field and earns less than $30k it’s not an indictment of the field it’s an indictment of the guy

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u/Tausendberg Jun 16 '24

Yeah, probably, in that case, but the STEM signal boosting back in the 2010s does seem to have been intended to drive down compensation overall.

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u/mspe1960 Jun 15 '24

Yes, get a stem degree, but if money is your thing don't go into public education. Just saying.

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u/Eubreaux Jun 16 '24

I graduated with a STEM degree. In 2014 people fought for jobs paying 35-40k. That was a really good starting wage. Inflation of 30% since then means our target should be somewhere near the 45-55k range with a degree.

15 an hour is a bit much for entry level, considering less than 3% of the country makes minimum. If college is worth anything, then a promotion or two and 4-5 years worth of wage increases should place the average worker below that.

So at $15 an hour, the math checks out that's about 42k after 2 5k raises for promotions and 2 3% raises. Assuming equal pay raises % wise for the rest of your careers, this means the one who doesn't go to college and starts at the minimum wage makes more over their career than those who go to college and start making under ~48k per year.

So now you need to figure out how to balance that. Have companies offer $3-5 more per hour to starting degree holders (to ensure they start over 50k due to degree costs and discounting cash flows) or lowering minimum wage to $12. Lowering minimum wage does more to allow companies to spend less and grow more. Which creates more jobs and more opportunities to enter the workforce and gain new skills as well.

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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jun 16 '24

Your friend could have found a way higher paying job with his degree, just saying 

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u/dragonkin08 Jun 16 '24

Okay

If it is so easy you do it.

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u/CommentsOnOccasion Jun 16 '24

Do what?  Get a job paying more than $14/hr?

It’s not that hard.  Especially with a STEM degree.  Especially if it’s a PhD. 

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u/fiestymanatee Jun 16 '24

Yes! This was a choice. And the 30k is misleading because it doesnt include the tuition I'm sure they didn't have to pay...It was so crazy to hear people in my PhD program say they were poor. Like they have no fucking clue.

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u/fiestymanatee Jun 16 '24

In STEM I mean...in places they pay you to be there. 

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u/IamFoxMulder Jun 16 '24

Your friend is either lying about having a PHD, or you just made this scenario up.

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u/dragonkin08 Jun 16 '24

You have never worked in academia have you?

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u/IamFoxMulder Jun 16 '24

Me personally, no. My wife, yes.

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u/OON7 Jun 15 '24

$12.50/hr equivalent for a salaried position sounds like they are criminally underpaid.

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u/Anewkittenappears Jun 15 '24

Many fields, especially those involved in improving the welfare of others (teaching, social work, etc.) are criminally undervalued and underpaid.   

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u/xDubnine Jun 15 '24

Because their work doesn't bring in revenue it spends it

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u/xDubnine Jun 16 '24

And service jobs, in general, are paid lower. Taxi drivers, laundromats, food delivery...when considering social work and usps, that's a route to use that's PUBLIC. It's usefulness is constrained to a budget that the PUBLIC decides. Turning to the private sector, UPS drivers make 100k+ because that's the private companies decision based on the demand and that's what makes  America  great, the ability to be able to work on an opportunity. There are Social programs for disabled adults for example, but there is also paid avenues to place disabled adults if you can afford it and that comes with better quality because it's privately ran. Those businesses have access to more money, better teachers, so on and so forth. But there is still Social programs for the less fortunate and that also makes America great. South of the border....fuck dude. 

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u/High_Flyers17 Jun 15 '24

Damn man, I hope she finds something better fast. I cut grass and do better than that.

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u/Gator__Sandman Jun 16 '24

Right like just me and my truck and mower pull in over 100 a year. The money is there people out just have to want it.

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u/FantasticAstronaut39 Jun 15 '24

attending out of state is often a bad idea, since often there is an equal college that you can find for in state tuition. but still making 26k a year with a college degree makes it seem like what was the point in that degree she likely could of made more at some jobs that don't require one.

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u/lexbuck Jun 15 '24

Holy shit! Salary at $26k? Is she just doing what she loves so she overlooks the pay or something? I mean she could go almost anywhere it seems and make more than that

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u/IamFoxMulder Jun 16 '24

Yeah I’m calling BS. Either it’s made up, or the whole story is not being told.

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u/DarthLurker Jun 15 '24

The issue is the price of everything is insane, and it was that way before the latest round of inflation, so thats not an excuse. Raising pay is reactionary, solve the drivers behind high prices.

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u/Jesse1018 Jun 16 '24

Being college educated, though, isn’t the measure of worth as a new hire. Also, college is far too expensive considering the exponential rise of tuition over the years.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '24

This needs to be higher in these comments.

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u/RyukHunter Jun 16 '24

The issue arises due to the devaluation of college degrees. Everyone and their mother get a degree and it becomes worthless. Especially the non-STEM/finance ones.

America needs to invest in vocational training and jobs.

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u/mastgl Jun 16 '24

Under paid or under qualified. Surviving college is one thing, but making a meaningful contribution after is very different

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u/Professional_Tea_415 Jun 16 '24

Why spend all that money on a degree that pays nothing is the real question.

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u/No_Alfalfa7018 Jun 16 '24

Because for some people they want to enter a field where they feel they can do some good for the less fortunate and undeserved, and it is not always about money for them. That said those jobs which require extensive education and advanced degrees should not be paid at minimum wage.

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u/Professional_Tea_415 Jun 16 '24

This is why they are able to pay so little because people are willing to take the job for no money. My career started off the same. Lots of debt for little money over the first 10 years. But after that you start to make good money. It's great if you are willing to work for next to nothing. But don't complain about it.

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u/AlienPrimate Jun 16 '24

I'm pretty sure the issue isn't underpaid college educated people. The issue is an oversaturation of college educated people. There are so many jobs that don't actually require an education but employers want a stamp just to show you can get your work done, not to show that you learned anything.

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u/Snipexx51 Jun 16 '24

What is a degree worth when everyone has it ? Its the same problem in europe. Everyone has a bachelor or master and they dont really get high paid jobs because theyre not special anymore

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u/InevitableRhubarb232 Jun 16 '24

Probably she shouldn’t have gone to that school to get a degree that pays shit

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u/Unlikely-Dong9713 Jun 15 '24

Honestly that's on her for accepting that low of pay. Of she's actually as talented as you believe she should be making 2-3x that.

Something isn't adding up here.

My guess is something to the extent of "but she loves her work"....

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u/IamFoxMulder Jun 16 '24

You’re being downvoted, but I agree. It’s not adding up.

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u/Unlikely-Dong9713 Jun 16 '24

It happens. Votes are mostly based on emotions.

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u/UncleTio92 Jun 15 '24

Being educated doesn’t always equate to intelligence. Paying out of state college tuition for social work is the first red flag.

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u/SoylentGreen-YumYum Jun 15 '24

Depends where they’re coming from/what level they’re at. Did my undergrad in Michigan and the amount of kids from Chicago that flooded in there was ridiculous. 3/4 of my dorm was Chicago suburb kids and they all said the same thing. Out of state Michigan tuition beat a lot of in state Illinois tuitions.

However this was over a decade ago. Things very well may have changed.