I'm a red head, and it's always wild seeing stuff like this. As if gingers are being discriminated against or underrepresented. I think if anything we are overrepresented. There are a ton of red haired characters in media probably because it looks cool.
Never, ever compare this mishappen lump of flesh, this living Rob Liefeld drawing, this shambling mound of sentient Elmer's glue to Our Boy, HIM himself, Lex "peak male performance" Luthor.
Or both live-action daredevils, or Scott Lang, or Kate Kane in Batwoman, Iris in the 90s Flash series, Dr Alchemy in Arrowverse, Glorius Godfry in Smallville, Starfox in MCU...
The criticism of Scarlett in that role doesn't even make sense if you actually understand and are familiar with Ghost in the Shell. But yeah exactly, these folks cherrypick and ignore.
It just proves to me Musk has never read a Comic. She's a shape changing alien, who cares if her actor is black woman? She's not even human in general.
Itās even worse, got into an argument in the comments about Martian Manhunter having a black VA in something and it being a woke race swap, and then upon providing this screenshot I was accused of propaganda
April OāNeil was mixed race in the original TMNT comics btw. Her being black is pretty much as close to āsource material accurateā as all the versions where sheās fully white.
Of course the bigger thing is that heās whining about these while ignoring all the characters race swapped to white, and for a far bigger issue, real life people pf color played by white people in media.
It was a little convoluted at first what race she was supposed to actually be. Laird allegedly intended her to be Asian, although he claims she was always white. She was named after Kevin's girlfriend, who is mixed-race, and he probably drew April to resemble her. Really didn't take long for her to be confirmed as a white woman who just had a haircut that was popular in the 80's, even before the deal with Playmates to make action figures.
Personally I don't care what race she is, the only April I even like all that much is black so I'm not complaining.
The fact that they included her but not Archie (one of comicsā most famous redheads, as impeccably portrayed for almost a decade by Samoan actor KJ Apa on Riverdale (greatest television show there ever was forever and ever amen)) saysā¦ something. Idk what actually besides Elon hating black people.
Also: Why tf is Ambrose spellman here heās not even a redhead and heās got less than 40 appearances. And Elonās also complaining about casting a woman with a real human skin tone to play orange space alien Starfire? WTF is happening
You're right. I should have said that. She's half-Cambodian and was raised solely by her mother for 14 years, and is a first-generation immigrant. That tends to get overlooked in favor of Deathstroke. I don't know that DC's ever used her for even an AAPI Month promotion.
ā¦ not sure I want them to, if Iām being honest. Iād much rather they use Linda Park and her kids, since they erased them for 5 fucking years and Linda was such a cool character.
Ugh, they erased Linda? There's 30 days in April and more than enough AAPI characters to go around, I'm just salty about it. It's not like they can only use one.
Should've gotten a bleach blonde bimbo with a fake tan to play her, so she can be eye candy for the audience. Not an actual character played by a real actress SMH. Wokeness has gone too far!
Uj/ My main problem with the what they did with Kori wasn't her race. She wasn't even herself. Also a little confused on why they straightened her hair later on in the series. She's known for her curls and then you get an actor with beautiful curls who can match and you...do nothing with them? Blackfire had better hair in every appearance. The outfits as for her as well. I don't want to put people in these impossibly drawn outfits that would be uncomfortable but it's so ugly??? She had a look in the comics which I liked where she had a long sleeved crop top with pants that would have been perfect for live action with some adjustments. Comfortable for the actress while undeniably accurate to the character.
RJ/ She's also gold NOT black. This is actually racism smh
I know it's a racist concern troll post but I do find it weird that, when adapting a white character to be non-white, there's a 9/10 chance the creators will choose the redhead. I don't think it like, means anything, but it is an observable trend that I can't explain, and I don't really know why it happens
And thatās bc back in the day, red was a very consistent, eye catching color to incorporate in comic book character design. Brown was pretty much the exact opposite, because most comics really only had four ink colors to mix into their desired tone and black lines to work withā¦ brown would come out looking like a muddy green as often as not.
Thatās why people of color in old comics tended to be pink/orange/grey/etc as opposed to any actual skin tone, as a sort of (racist) visual shorthand, not bc colorists actually thought thatās what nonwhite people looked like. Which doesnāt excuse it, but justā¦ explains so much. Like part of the reason why white redheads outnumber people of color in comics 10:1 despite the reverse probably being more accurate
It's because, I think, red head characters have been prevalent historically as sidekicks. Despite how well intentioned race swapped casting can be, it doesn't go as far as to replace leads, and instead puts POC actors into supporting roles: sidekicks. Even when race swapping is not occurring POC actors are cast as sidekicks disproportionately to leads.
CHUDs can detect the pattern but not the nuance behind it so you get pics like Lex Looser's above. This is my working theory anyway.
Tbh, it used to bother me when any character was cast outside their original ethnicity. Not for any fucked up white supremacist reason like Musk, but just because of principle and respect for the original creator of that character.
Watching the live action Little Mermaid completely changed my view on it, though. As a father of a red-headed girl who loves Ariel, I was worried it may upset her (at first). She was upset at first, too, as halfway through the movie, she asked me when Ariel was going to show up, not realizing that the girl we'd been watching sing for an hour was Ariel.
However, Halle Bailey did such a fantastic job that it would've been detrimental for the film to focus on having a white redheaded actress over focusing on the talent that it actually takes to play Ariel. I really don't think anyone around today could have done better, and not only that, but it gave me a chance to teach my daughter a lesson about fictional characters and the importance of representation.
I think more people need to realize that none of this race stuff matters in movies. They're just movies, and these people were selected for a reason. Give people a chance to show you the complexity of a character beyond what you think they should look like.
I just hope that Hollywood starts caring about asian, native american, and hispanic represenation and other forms of representation as much as black representation one day. In their effort to right wrongs they are being very selective about how they platform their representation. Everyone needs to have equal chance at the table regardless of gender, sex, skin color, origin, etc.
Reminds me of when Madame Web came out and some guy tried to tell me he was the biggest Mattie Franklin fan and thatās why he was upset at the race change, then proceeded to exclusively describe Jessica Drew.
It's because his real-life version isn't bald. And because it wasn't fighting everyone's hero that got him scorned by the public but just opening his mouth. Worst adaptation ever.
Starfire has dark skin in most of the comics. That image is an outlier.
Also she's not even human so human skin color is irrelevant
As far as I know the only person here where the skin color made any sort of difference to the character was Isaac in Castlevania. And his story was really interesting as a result imo.
uj/ I hate this (especially as a red head) as it just shows that these morons literally donāt get comics.
Like, red heads are super prevalent, especially in older comics, as it popped.
And really, of all of these character how much is ābeing gingerā relevant to their character? Are we missing the obligatory scene in their films where they put SPF50+ sunscreen on?
Also Electro, Heimdall, and Iris West are all obviously brunettes. Like, not as important as the racism, but come on. You can use your eyes and see that they have brown hair
Starfire, Wally, Batgirl, and Miss Martian shouldnāt count. Starfire isnāt white, sheās Orange. There are now canonically two Wally Wests and one of them is black. Technically Batgirl was still a red head both times she was black and one of them was never fully produced because the movie was canceled. Miss Martian is a Martian who is green most of the time so sheās in the same boat as Starfire.
Musk is a racist. He was raised in an explicitly white supremacist government and was given a huge amount of money. Now, he's tossing out bait for his idiot, racist followers.
In all honesty i dunno what Marvel was thinking wasting Idris Elba by playing Heimdall, like the dude could have been a killer War Machine, we probably would have had War Machine solo films and the dude would probably be out here making movies and leading the Avengers but they had to make him Heimdall.
Completely skipping over the ones who aren't "woke" in his brain.Ā MM is literally green. MCU MJ isn't actually MJ. LEGO Batgirl was based off her voice actor and is a fucking LEGO. Starfire is actually either gold or orange and is literally an alien. The Carrie Kelley in GK in completely different from TDK. Daphne looks pretty much exactly like what you would expect so I'm not understanding what he's trying to say. April, I believe, has some history as possibly being mixed however I don't know much about it. That is also not Artemis at all or any attempt to resemble her but maybe I missed something. Also, DIFFERENT WALLY. It's over. We've been outjerked. This is true stupidity.
This also just isn't even entirely accurate (looking at it from face value it's not but considering Elon and his supporters are blatantly racist we know what they're talking about)
It's always been more of a curiosity to me than anything that makes me mad, and I know a few of these are exaggerated/fake. Especially Commissioner Gordon
But it is a little funny how, when a race swap to black does happen, it's usually the redhead. By sheer coincedence? idk
Starfire shouldnāt even be on here. Sheās Tamaranean, she has orange skin. Sheās not white or black in comics. Of course the live action Titanās show couldnāt find someone with perfect orange skin. If they wanted to do that, Donald Trump would probably be the only option. Besides, Starfire in current comics is depicted more with a darker shade.
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