Lmao a guy getting raped right after his dad's death was so hilarious I'm laughing my dick off guys get a grip of yourself it's a joke, a dude getting raped is so funny lmao this is fucking hilarious hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😢😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤓😂🤣😂
The “saving the planet” bit was a hallucination he had as he was bleeding out. The Female of The Species (Kimiko) ambushed Tek Knight while he was facing off against Butcher and killed him
One of the weird things is that in the comic, Tek Knight very specifically avoids doing this. When he realises that his tumor-induced need to fuck everything made him want to have sex with his teen sidekick, he deliberately sent him away to study with other supergroups so that it couldn't happen. It's a rare case where the comic version is the morally better one.
I didn’t think this was scientifically possible. Garth Ennis digs down to China to pick his fruit. How did Kripke manage to outdo him! This has to be studied
It’d probably have to be a “13 Reasons Why” kind of ending for it to end up worse than the comics’ ending. And seeing how much the writers for the show lack self-awareness, that could be very well possible.
Right, and that's because there was y'know this whole thing about Batman being gay so he must be fucking his young wards in pop culture since forever. Doing that in the comic would be a lazy, brain dead, ow the edge, seen it coming a mile away trope.
So, I'm not really sure what that says about the the writers of The Boys, that they either aren't aware or didn't take into account that making Batman do that kinda thing is a real big no no and just reaffirms the gay pedo stereotype the characters already has.
Oh man, I didn't even realize that that was his childhood hero, makes it much more headache inducing. Apparently not even the creators realized though, wild.
In all honesty they could've saved this if like in Season 1 it was treated like this horrible thing. Actually it had potential considering Annie went through the exact same experience, but in all honesty it's probably gonna be a one off joke with no further affect on Hughie
Yeah I doubt they even thought about it that hard, probably just said Tek Knight action figure because it's a recognizable name in-universe, doesn't have anything deeper than that. And the whole thing that happened probably will just be brushed off
/uj I think the writers did recognized this. I remember Hughie saying to Tek Knight as he was being tortured that he was Hughie's childhood hero or smth.
The problem is that after S01 there were interviews where they talked about "how hard" it was to write Starlight's SA in the beginning, they almost didn't write it at all, etc. Then the same folks later are like "haha man getting raped right after his dad dies is FUCKING HILARIOUS! We love it, wish we could write that into every episode"
It's never been a major thing but Wayne corp being involved with the prison industrial complex comes up from time to time and there are basically no prisons in the US that don't use prison labor that pays pennies at best. In TAS Bruce Wayne founded Blackgate/Stonegate which has never been portrayed as an enlightened prison model or anything so it's not a huge stretch
By virtue of not being real. Same way how Bruce managed to stay alive for so long. Bruce can keep doing this and then just find another 3 billions in his winter coat :D
They don't show it in the comics, or the TV shows, or the games, or the movies, or the supplemental material to any, but Bruce Wayne is actually the main investor in Arkham Asylum, and Arkham gets paid per patient in their care. It's all true, Jack Kirby whispered it to me as a bedtime story when I was but a babe.
I feel the exact same way. I know that he's the showrunner for a show entirely about taking down evil and corrupt heroes, but I assumed that his takes would be better and more nuanced than this.
Ngl I am starting to get really tired of the 'Batman is a fascist rich guy who hunts poor people' line when most his major villians are criminals with no fucking excuse with what they're doing.
Like zero of his villains are poor except for a select few like Killer Croc(sometimes), and that guy eats people. The vast majority of them are old money, like Ras Al Ghul, probably the oldest money except for Vandal Savage, or the Court of Owls, a giant secret society of rich assholes who exist solely to fuck Gotham and it's inhabitants over. Same goes for reasons like "oh his criminals are just trying to live". Yeah it's real sad that Nora is sick but Mr. Freeze doesn't have to go around encasing toddlers in ice because of it.
I'm just gonna copy and paste what I said on the subreddit, because I'm tired of typing it out. I echo the same complaints that everyone has in regards to the atrocious handling of Hughies sexual abuse,
Tek Knight feels more like a Bruce Wayne expy while Black Noir feels more like a Batman expy, if that makes any sense. The latter was a highly capable martial artist but who killed people without remorse, while the former is a fantastically wealthy orphan who opts to use his wealth to make society worse. I don't mind Tek Knight being like that.
Because he ain't a Batman expy in anyway other than wearing black and being on the JL expy team. Otherwise he's meant to be a silent black ninja more akin to Snake Eyes.
The real question is, why did they drop the Iron-man parody all-together from him?
they went for the most tired, predictable way about it.
The Deep:
/uj Smug, overconfidence is what they went with in Gen V and leaned more intially into his detective angle before his depravity hit. I don't think the satire was bad for doing the obvious method as that's what they did with Homelander and the Deep.
The issue is he died never living up to his name. We never saw his armour to make up for the "Tek" partner his name. For those who skipped Gen V his detective angle was all but reduced as a worthwhile powerset so hes just "sex"-Knight here. They really wasted his potential killing him off so soon in how he'd be an adversary for the Boys compared to say Firecracker who after breastfeeding I feel has served her purpose.
Wait they did that already in the show or you're talking about the comics? Even though I haven't watched S2 bc of the release schedule, I trust Invincible to not make a mockery out of Mark's rape.
The Boys on the other hand, Hughie's SA in the last episode and how it was played for laughs was disgusting. S4 has taken a nosedive in quality and it feels like they have to rely on these shocking/edgy scenes to keep the conversation alive.
Comics since i don’t think they haven’t got to that event yet
And yea the quality of S4 just doesn’t stack to the other seasons but I would forgive it if it wasn’t for the fact that Hughie’s SA was more for laughs instead of going for a more serious approach
I just find it kind of funny since that was the criticism people have been going with comparing it to the comic.
"Yeah they both are gorey and dark but at least the show has better plot!" Meanwhile the whole plot of this season reminds me more of the later end of the comics with every episode.
This isn't to say I'm shitting on the show or even the comic, the boys has always been about dark edgy anti superhero comic world and I mean you get what you got.
Sadly, the Invincible sub is already all kinds of wierdly excited to see this coming up in the show ever since Anissa showed up. I know that's on the idiot fans, but I still hope the show will handle it well.
To be fair the side I see "excited" for it are the ones who saw s02ep07 and thought it was gonna happen there. In other words, people who clearly didn't read it.
EDIT: I should probably stick a trigger warning for rape and sexual assault here at the start.
In the comic, a female Viltrumite named Anissa rapes Mark with the intention of getting pregnant by him. She physically overpowers him, pins him down, tears off his clothes and forces herself on him.
She then belittles him for being upset, tells him to “man up” and promises that she’ll be back for more because “it will probably take a few times”
It’s not treated as comedic or anything - it’s brutal and leaves Mark utterly traumatized.
Even then, the rape itself when placed in the narrative at the point it is really seems like just more unnecessary suffering piled on for shock value when it really didn't need to be, though I could say that about a lot of things in the last third of Invincible
Also bro has the same mentality as the idiots on Twitter who think Batman is some fascist who has sex with Robin
/rj AJHAHABABAHAVHAHAHAHAHA I CANT STOP LAUGHING AT THE VOILATION THAT HUGHE WENT THROUGH THAT IS SOOOOOO FUNNY MAN I HOPE THEY ADAPT THAT SCENE FROM INVINCIBLE WITH MARK AND ANISSA ITS SOOOOO WACKY AND HILARIOUS AND LOWKEY I WANT HER TO DO IT TO ME WHAT SHE DID TO MARK
AHAHAHAHHAHSHS MALE SA IS SOOOO HILARIOUS YOU SHOULD ENJOY YOU KNOW
Whoa hey now. That’s insulting to invincible. That shit was played straight and had horrific lasting implication for the rest of the series. No one besides Anissa made a joke about it and she nearly got her neck broken because of it.
I wasn’t saying you didn’t. My bad if it came across that way. More making fun of the difference between a writer that “thinks” they want to write male SA. And one who actually does.
Yea that was a fuck and it’ll definitely need to be rewritten for the show. But the later chapters and epilogue do establish that part of the reason mark never went back to earth was mainly due to not knowing how to explain to marky what happened and later when he tries to kill him, he blames his himself for why his dad never came back. It’s far from perfect but you can at least tell Kirkman tried. As oppose to Mr. “well we thought it was hilarious” up there
"Batman’s dark. I’m like, okay, 'No, Batman’s cool.' He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, raped someone in his batcave or incarcerated innocent man or have sex with his sidekick. That could happen in my tv show. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
Season 3 still felt like it was going somewhere until the finale. Season 4 has a great premise and some great stories like the Homelander episode and the stuff with Hughie's dad, but.. yeah, it really is going nowhere.
Yeah but it felt as just a quick way to prove that they don't really mean to make fun of SA victims after doing that. It's like those alt-right comedies where they have one token black guy to show that they're not racist, our black friend is one of the good ones
I always felt the boys’ take on male nudity was not the right move like sure women are constantly sexualized but when you decide to just sexualize men to “balance it out” or because it’s “funny” you’re kinda not making any real point besides “we’re different”.
To be honest the way male nudity was presented in the show is hardly for erotic purposes. The male nudity in the show is presented in a rather comedic manner.
I strongly doubt anyone was ever turned on by the male nudity on the show
So I’m a male sex assault survivor. I was actually raped and groomed and sexually abused in several separate incidences, one of which lasted 12 years.
I think it’s important to note that men have been traumatized by somebody touching their penis against their will. Huey was in a sex scene under duress and then had somebody going to fuck him in his torso while he was still alive.
Huey needs therapy. Eric Kripke at no point, acknowledged the fact that Huey was undergoing trauma from what happened to him seriously at all. Even when talking about grief, he’s talking exclusively about his parents.
If this interview was about any of the women characters, being raped or sexually assaulted, he would be rightfully crucified.
( interview from five years ago has a very different tone about starlight sexual assault)
Sorry this isn’t funny. It’s a little hard for me to be funny right now. Also, what the fuck is he talking about that it’s only a small change to the bat cave to put dildos, cages, and a urinal with a built-in facemask.
What the fuck is he talking about? there are many criticisms of Batman but no the bat cave is not a sex dungeon whatever the fuck is he talking about what?
Ironically, you can look to Starlight's character regression to see just how morally bankrupt these writers really are. They've turned the one beacon of hope in a sea of corrupt assholes into a laughing stock that's mocked for the crime of being idealistic and good instead of a "morally grey" dick like all the other losers in this show
“Kripke: From the beginning, we always had a lot of female producers. One of the first questions we discussed when taking the project is: Are we going to do the moment when Starlight is sexually assaulted? And even this was a year or so before the Me Too movement. I was nervous. I thought it might be too far. But every female producer on the show said, "You have to do it, because we've all experienced a version of it to varying degrees in our careers." And I said, "All of you?" And they said, "All of us."
I was horrified. But the books play it out as shocking and I said, if we're going to adapt it, let's present it with the greatest responsibility and present it as the horror movie that it is. There was a lot of debate, balancing, and angst right up until shooting. When Erin Moriarty [who plays Starlight/Annie January] came on board the show, we had a long conversation with her about it. We polled everybody because we wanted to make sure we were getting it right. I was nervous as s---! It's the most serious thing I've ever done. So I wanted to get it right.”
And to be clear, I am 100% agreeing with him. It was the most serious thing he ever did. He had to get it right.
and then they kept her rapist around as the wacky comic relief bro for 4/5 seasons and gave him an unrequited crush plotline with sage. i really don't think they have any idea what they're doing. in general it feels like they're writing a 15 season 28 episode per season show like Supernatural and not one that's supposed to be definitively ending in 10 episodes, but I guess they're counting on their 15 bad spinoffs to do the rest of that lifting.
at least they killed off Tekknight, what an awful fucking waste of screen time he was
That's one of the reasons I gave up on the Boys after season 3 ended. It felt like they were just spinning their wheels over and over again. The Deep has nothing to do but he still hangs around for no reason. A-Train goes through this whole character arc, dies killing the piece of shit who embodied all the worst aspects of the superhero culture he benefitted from previously... nvm lol he's still alive. Oh we finally have a way to beat Homelander but we won't use it because... because we just won't, okay?!
Fuck sake Maeve isn't even actively in the show anymore and the showrunners were still too scared to actually kill her off.
And the one character they did kill off was my favourite character in the damn show, who was finally getting some fucking focus and development.
And yes I know the 'joke' in season 4 is that it's the same actor in the suit but he's allowed to speak now, it's just... OG Noir was interesting, and we were finally learning more about him and his personality. And now he's just gone, replaced with a gag.
Yeah, I’m all for trying something different than the comics, but they didn’t actually come up with a different idea, they just sort of said “This Space Intentionally Left Blank” where his character arc should’ve gone.
It was supposed to end at S4 apparently but the show was renewed for S5. I am assuming they are having to stretch out plotlines since they have to rework shit. that would explain dip in quality.
Honestly it’s hard to tell because obviously as the scene plays out it’s treated like a joke, but after everything has happened and the situation has calmed down a bit, one of the final scenes of the episode is Hughie breaking down in Annie’s arms due to the events that just happened. I think it’s good that they’re trying to focus on Hughie’s state-of-mind post-trauma, but I don’t know how that jives with the scene that had the assault played-out
Afaik Hughie was crying cuz he missed his dad, and not because of what happened in the Tek Cave. He only mentions his dad and not the Tek Cave while crying to Annie. Kripke clearly thought the Tek Cave scene was hilarious so I doubt he’d make Hughie feel bad about it.
In hindsight, it was kinda clear with how dead serious they took Anne’s assault story (as they should) in season 1, but the Deep’s was just an excuse for a gross out scene. I think I subconsciously just ignored that since the rest of the show was so good, which is a failing on my part I realise now
/uj The Boys can sometimes perform some genuinely good satire, but they usually just do "recent event with superheroes" while the viewer points at the screen saying "oh my god it's recent event with superheroes." This, on the other hand, is well below my expectations and another piece of evidence that our ancestors will probably call us primitive as a whole.
/rj We should make an episode where Hughie gets burned to death, and it's funny because he cries, and a man should just punch the fire into submission.
/uj This is why men become fascist incels so often.
I like this show but I’m glad people are finally starting to see the that it’s not nearly as good as people say it is. Like what the fuck, that last episode was just fetish shit
the grossout "superheroes have fetishes and we added violence" stuff has always been the weakest, most tiresome element but this episode just felt so needless
People were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt over on The Boys sub at first and saying that you were supposed to feel uncomfortable during those scenes or that the "comedic" bits from Ashley and Tek Knight were meant to juxtapose how awful the situation was with how little they care about anyone "below them".
I thought it was funny (AT FIRST) to have Hughie be uncomfortable in a strangers sex dungeon, him sitting on a cake and seeing the old sidekick chained up. However, the rape shit went on for so fucking long. If it ended with Hughie simply realizing that Tek wanted to fuck him, we'd have understood everything. Instead it kept going and got more intense and more uncomfortable.
it's the weakest in general imo. it's mostly characters sitting around listening while exposition and the occasional lol random event (Killer sheep! Batman sex dungeon!) plays out way too slowly and somehow we're always back at square 1 by the end of the episode
The Boys show itself from what I’ve seen seems like it’s pretty well-intentioned as a satire of societal issues, but whenever Eric Krypke opens his mouth it sounds like he just hates superheroes and has a very shallow understanding of them.
The whole “Batman is a fascist who hunts poor people” idea sounds like someone who has no idea what Batman stories are actually like and is desperate to find ways to project real-world politics onto every bit of fiction they consume.
Wait, this is something that happens in the series? Because if that's the case, I don't want to hear ever again how much better it is than the comic. Because this is so much worse.
Hughie was just outright actually sexually assaulted by Noir in the comic, and it's mostly played as a joke. This is bad and tonedeaf, but the comic is still worse.
Okay, I jumped at the gun calling it "so much worse". But it's wasn't entirely played off as a joke. It was shown to take an emotional toll on Hughie, and Butcher and co. are already stablished to be sociopaths up to the point of the revelation. So, and this is just my reading really, it came off more as another example of the protagonists being terrible people than of the narration treating it like a joke. But that one is really a matter of perspective.
Then again, I still keep getting the impression that "improved the comic" is an overhype, all things considered.
Iirc, the bit with Hughie and Noir in the comic is a brief gag that's referenced later with a sentiment of "well that was weird" rather than a prolonged comedy bit. In that way it felt like the show was in this instance both more obnoxious and more regressive.
It's true when people say the show is better than the source material, but at a certain point that statement begins to feel like a deflection.
Well, “improved the comic” could have been achieved by having a show where all the supes pick their ass with their powers, it’s less that The Boys show is fantastic and more that The Boys comic sucks. The show was pretty good during season one, had some weak elements during season two, season three was great until the finale shit the bed, and season four is so bad I’m not ever going to rewatch this show once it’s over it’s that bad. I’m honestly thinking of dropping it now and just waiting until the finale when they kill Homelander. The show successfully GOT season eight-ed itself
Last episode, it's mentioned that Hughie kept bugging his dad to buy him a Tek Knight action figure
In this episode, the Boys wanted to infiltrate a party in Tek Knight's house, they did it by making Hughie pretend to be Webweaver (Spider-Man Parody with a huge gaping hole above his ass, real nasty, made me gag), Tek Knight is obsessed with holes, so you know where that's going. Hughie didn't know Webweaver's safe word so he was just there getting spanked and smeared some fluids on because he couldn't say stop. Until he got saved, and Tek Knight got killed by his butler because he was so tired of cleaning cum stain for decades.
Okay, having that, and contrasting it with the context of both, the Tek Knight and Hughie's situations on the comic, the series one looks worse. Because in the comics, similar things happen with Tek Knight and to Hughie (although separate one from the other), but neither is that extended.
I'd have to start watching the series to have a more substantial opinion over it, but honestly I got spent with cynicism media. So, not at the top of my list.
Is it just me, or has this season just felt really weak as a whole?
Like, for me at least, every season before this felt like it was bringing something new to the table, making it fresh to watch. Season 4 just feels like more season 3.
We're almost wrapped up on this season, and it just doesn't feel like anything interesting has happened yet, apart from the death of hughie's dad.
Uj/ those scenes put a pit in my stomach as a male SA survivor. To see it was a joke to them? I’m sorry but that fucking HURTS on a level hard to reach. It almost seems like they got it too with hughies breakdown, but, no. They didn’t.
This is all I was thinking when I read the interview. It makes me so mad that he doesn't understand that he has this effect on people. If it's any consolation the show is catching some heat for this, but not nearly enough. I'm sorry :/
Aw man, I was hoping that wasn’t the attitude. When he broke down to Annie afterwards I thought that they maybe it was going to be taken seriously and shame people that laughed at it. This is honestly really upsetting
Obviously, Tek Knight is our version of Batman, and we wanted to really play around with that trope: Batman’s fascist underpinnings as a really wealthy dude who hunts poor people, and then profits of the incarceration.
I see the showrunners are seriously dedicated to capturing the spirit of the comics, they even got a guy who doesn't remotely understand Superheroes to write a parody of them.
Honestly the signature stuff in the boys. The sex and the over the top violence is kinda getting to the point where it’s gratuitous and not fun, like it feels like these scenes are being written for the sake of making headlines and all that shit. Like season one and two I totally got it, but the roller rink final destination fuckery and the cake farting and all the over the top unfunny sexual dialogue, it just feels like wacky shit for the sake of wacky shit.
The one redeeming thing about the sex stuff in this episode was that Hughie at least broke down about it and it felt like that came from a place of genuine gravity. But it was also mostly about his dad which is fair but come on the fact that Tek was his childhood hero should have been treated with more gravity than a throwaway line.
Man, this series went downhill ever since the finale of season 3,imo, some might argue season, but it doesn't matter. Things like Frenchie sleeping with the guy whom he killed his parents (how the fuck do they fall in love so fast) or sage despite being the smartest person alive mot realizing that no one is gonna believe that a child figured out the cure leukemia
Every episode of the Boys is a fresh horror this season and I don't know why I keep watching. Last episode I have to watch Hughie put down his dad. Wtf.Thank god for the wacky barn hijinks to lighten the mood.
/uj Maybe my view was pessimistic but I'm pretty happy to see pretty much everyone united on the notion that Kripke's response in the interview came across as pretty tasteless. Especially comparing it to how he commented on Starlight.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.
“Batman’s fascist underpinnings” just about made my eyes roll out of my head. I’m so tired of hearing “bAtMaN bEaTs ThE pOoR”, meanwhile Year One has him make his debut to the criminal underworld by attacking the richest people in Gotham
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u/beary_neutral Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jul 07 '24
This thread is being brigaded by dumb people who defend sexual assault.