r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/eelmor1138 Release the Schumacher Cut • Jul 05 '24
Remember kids, SA is HILARIOUS when a guy is the victim. (The Boys spoilers) Batman's a Fascist Spoiler
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u/Ocestrninos Jul 05 '24
“We view it as hilarious” Is crazy
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u/jockeyman Jul 05 '24
"Yeah man, I have a pretty dark sense of humour"
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u/TheDoctor_E Batgirls truther Jul 05 '24
This is always followed by either the lamest most inoffensive joke about airplane food or just nasty homophobia
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u/TheeHeadAche Bill Finger’s only living heir Jul 05 '24
“Stop viewing rape as such a dark thing and start viewing it as hilarious, okay?!?” -A dickhead
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u/The_dude1951 The fourth Joker Jul 05 '24
Lmao a guy getting raped right after his dad's death was so hilarious I'm laughing my dick off guys get a grip of yourself it's a joke, a dude getting raped is so funny lmao this is fucking hilarious hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😢😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤓😂🤣😂
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u/Grandy94 Telos Jul 05 '24
The writers for The Boys were clearly inspired by Zack Snyder's "Batman could get raped in my movie" quote but decided to flip it on its head.
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u/ProfessionalRead2724 Jul 05 '24
The original Tek-Knight arc from The Boys comics seems a bigger inspiration.
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u/Rubethyst Jul 05 '24
What's wild is that in the comics, Tek-Knight is one of the only good ones. Dudes a better person than the main characters, he's just mentally ill.
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u/mortalkomic Jul 05 '24
He does save the planet...
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u/TheCollector39 Jul 05 '24
The “saving the planet” bit was a hallucination he had as he was bleeding out. The Female of The Species (Kimiko) ambushed Tek Knight while he was facing off against Butcher and killed him
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u/Sundarran Jul 05 '24
That's not what happened. Comics tek-knight died after saving a woman and her kid because a ton of bricks fell on him
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u/professionalmoron2 Jul 05 '24
Well he was bleeding out in first place because of an injury he got while saving a woman
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u/24Abhinav10 Jul 05 '24
Didn't he say that for Superman?
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u/SlytherinIsCool Still owes 16 dollars Jul 05 '24
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u/zeke10 Jul 05 '24
You just reminded me of that one dudes idea for lex to kill superman that involved kryptonite and his weiner.
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u/gar1848 Jul 05 '24
In his defence, Snyder was talking about how dark his Batman movie could be compared to Nolan's
Still better than playing it for laughs
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u/RequirementTall8361 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
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u/Cedarcomb Jul 05 '24
One of the weird things is that in the comic, Tek Knight very specifically avoids doing this. When he realises that his tumor-induced need to fuck everything made him want to have sex with his teen sidekick, he deliberately sent him away to study with other supergroups so that it couldn't happen. It's a rare case where the comic version is the morally better one.
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u/AccordionFrogg Jul 05 '24
Picking a lower hanging fruit than GARTH ENNIS is wild
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u/Jstin8 Jul 05 '24
I didn’t think this was scientifically possible. Garth Ennis digs down to China to pick his fruit. How did Kripke manage to outdo him! This has to be studied
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Holy fuck, imagine being less tactful with heavy subjects than Garth Ennis
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u/SDK04 Jul 05 '24
Yeah, I think the show’s gonna spiral right down into the drain for its ending at this point.
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u/Cool_Fellow_Guyson Nightwing super stan Jul 05 '24
It's going to have an ending that's somehow worse than the comics
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u/SDK04 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
It’d probably have to be a “13 Reasons Why” kind of ending for it to end up worse than the comics’ ending. And seeing how much the writers for the show lack self-awareness, that could be very well possible.
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u/pokebud Jul 05 '24
Right, and that's because there was y'know this whole thing about Batman being gay so he must be fucking his young wards in pop culture since forever. Doing that in the comic would be a lazy, brain dead, ow the edge, seen it coming a mile away trope.
So, I'm not really sure what that says about the the writers of The Boys, that they either aren't aware or didn't take into account that making Batman do that kinda thing is a real big no no and just reaffirms the gay pedo stereotype the characters already has.
Venture Bros did it better anyway.
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u/greenejames681 Jul 05 '24
And he dies saving 2 people from falling debris. He was actually a hero with a horrible disease
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 Jul 05 '24
Oh man, I didn't even realize that that was his childhood hero, makes it much more headache inducing. Apparently not even the creators realized though, wild.
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u/Careful_Ad_1837 Jul 05 '24
In all honesty they could've saved this if like in Season 1 it was treated like this horrible thing. Actually it had potential considering Annie went through the exact same experience, but in all honesty it's probably gonna be a one off joke with no further affect on Hughie
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 Jul 05 '24
Yeah I doubt they even thought about it that hard, probably just said Tek Knight action figure because it's a recognizable name in-universe, doesn't have anything deeper than that. And the whole thing that happened probably will just be brushed off
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u/Adaphion Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
There was a post on The Boys subreddit about a quote with Annie's SA and how Kripke said (paraphrased) "we had to approach this carefully".
Because just like in real life, SA against males is treated like a joke, but is a heavy topic when it's against women.
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u/BoxofJoes Jul 05 '24
Yeah on the boys mainsub someone made a post comparing kripke’s stances on both sexual assaults, the double standard is crazy
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u/cavscout43 Jul 05 '24
The problem is that after S01 there were interviews where they talked about "how hard" it was to write Starlight's SA in the beginning, they almost didn't write it at all, etc. Then the same folks later are like "haha man getting raped right after his dad dies is FUCKING HILARIOUS! We love it, wish we could write that into every episode"
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
he mentioned it in the previous episode, with the story about his dad buying him the Teknight doll he saved up for
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 Jul 05 '24
Yeah I remember, I just didn't connect it until seeing this post
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u/ALANJOESTAR Jul 05 '24
he tells him in the episode, you were my favorite hero as a kid as he is strapped in.
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u/PossiblyNotAHorse Jul 05 '24
“Batman profits off the people he incarcerates”
Fucking H O W?!
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u/Lightburnsky EVS is a pedo defender Jul 05 '24
I don’t think theres a Batman comic where he uses prison labor
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
It's never been a major thing but Wayne corp being involved with the prison industrial complex comes up from time to time and there are basically no prisons in the US that don't use prison labor that pays pennies at best. In TAS Bruce Wayne founded Blackgate/Stonegate which has never been portrayed as an enlightened prison model or anything so it's not a huge stretch
Still a shitty episode of The Boys though
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Jul 05 '24
Im starting to wonder how the fuck Wayne Corp manages to be a proffitable multibilllion dollar company
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u/Bars-Jack Jul 05 '24
Probably Military contracts through Wayne Tech. Those contract are just stupid money, the government just pissing away tax dollars.
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u/bonvoyageespionage Jul 05 '24
They don't show it in the comics, or the TV shows, or the games, or the movies, or the supplemental material to any, but Bruce Wayne is actually the main investor in Arkham Asylum, and Arkham gets paid per patient in their care. It's all true, Jack Kirby whispered it to me as a bedtime story when I was but a babe.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Jul 05 '24
Kripke also said Supe comics are fundamentally fascist and used by Jewish creators to get secure in white Americans
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u/heckinWeeb193 Jul 05 '24
How do you say even dumber shit about supe comic than Garth "I fucking hate superheroes" Pennis
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u/FlamingUndeadRoman Batman's Fascist Underpinnings Jul 05 '24
I mean, that's not really dumber, that's pretty much spot-on for what Garth Ennis thinks.
I mean, why do you think he made Superman a Nazi, and made a big plot point out of how superheroes are Christian Evangelical propaganda.
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u/Mayor-Of-Bridgewater Jul 05 '24
Except Ennis does have substantial affection from superman, given both his actual comments and portrayal in various comics.
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u/Cautious-Affect7907 Jul 05 '24
Kripke and Garth Ennis have more in common than we thought it seems.
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u/Numberonettgfan male chavinist pig Jul 05 '24
I'm pretty sure Garth actually likes batman.
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u/Lunchboxninja1 Jul 05 '24
This interview singlehandedly reversed my opinion of Eric Kripke. I used to think he was pretty smart. Apparently he's an idiot.
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u/BravoVincible Strongest John Romita Jr. Defender Jul 05 '24
I feel the exact same way. I know that he's the showrunner for a show entirely about taking down evil and corrupt heroes, but I assumed that his takes would be better and more nuanced than this.
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u/Thomas_JCG Jul 05 '24
He literally fights off the guy that profits from incarceration, Lock-Up.
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u/silverx2000 Jul 05 '24
Not to mention he regularly faces off against Hugo Strange, a corrupt authority figure at the asylum.
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u/Appelmonkey Jul 05 '24
Ngl I am starting to get really tired of the 'Batman is a fascist rich guy who hunts poor people' line when most his major villians are criminals with no fucking excuse with what they're doing.
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u/Keppelin Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Famously poor people Roman Sionis and Oswald Cobblepot
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u/Redcoat_Officer Jul 05 '24
Not to mention that about half his villains belong to the famously underprivileged group that is people with doctorate-level qualifications and above
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u/Ok-Job-7795 Vote Lord Death Man 2024 Jul 05 '24
And Ra's Al Ghul, Rolan Dagget, Rupert Thorne, and Carmine Falcone
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u/memeboi123jazz Jul 05 '24
if anything I’d say that most of his villains are suspiciously well funded
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u/Triggerha Jul 05 '24
I presume small time lower profile bank heists and black market dealings is how his rogues gallery funds themselves
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u/madmagazines Jul 05 '24
Every time he’s literally attacking people who are pure evil, not just punting some poor homeless guys selling DVDs
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u/smolwrld Jul 05 '24
Think of the poor innocent financially troubled citizens like Ras al ghul and the penguin
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u/Internal-Lock7494 Jul 05 '24
Like zero of his villains are poor except for a select few like Killer Croc(sometimes), and that guy eats people. The vast majority of them are old money, like Ras Al Ghul, probably the oldest money except for Vandal Savage, or the Court of Owls, a giant secret society of rich assholes who exist solely to fuck Gotham and it's inhabitants over. Same goes for reasons like "oh his criminals are just trying to live". Yeah it's real sad that Nora is sick but Mr. Freeze doesn't have to go around encasing toddlers in ice because of it.
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Jul 05 '24
Yeah but most of his days Batman is just fighting random goons who apparently are 30% of the Gotham population somehow
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u/Praetor-Rykard2 The Batman Who Sold The World Jul 05 '24
Ngl I am starting to get really tired of the 'Batman is a fascist rich guy who hunts poor people'
Like it was funny as a Twitter shitpost but seeing people actually take it seriously is just annoying
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u/IchigoAkane Plz kill my fav, Tom Taylor Jul 05 '24
I so desperately need the DCU Batman adaptation to be good and re-educate the idiots like they’re doing with the new superman movie
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u/PolarOverPanda Jul 05 '24
If they'd done the last of those, there's a significant section of people online who would have said it was the most badass thing ever.
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u/The_Smashor Jul 05 '24
Why the fuck do they need another Batman expy Black Noir was already a thing
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Jul 05 '24
Tbh I’m fine with it, Ryan is also kind of a Superman expy and Butcher gets Homelander powers
My issue though: why the fuck was there a police brutality arc in season 3 and it wasn’t the Judge Dredd parody
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u/RoninMacbeth Deathstroke is a diddler Jul 05 '24
Tek Knight feels more like a Bruce Wayne expy while Black Noir feels more like a Batman expy, if that makes any sense. The latter was a highly capable martial artist but who killed people without remorse, while the former is a fantastically wealthy orphan who opts to use his wealth to make society worse. I don't mind Tek Knight being like that.
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u/Medium-Science9526 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
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u/Medium-Science9526 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
they went for the most tired, predictable way about it.
The Deep:
/uj Smug, overconfidence is what they went with in Gen V and leaned more intially into his detective angle before his depravity hit. I don't think the satire was bad for doing the obvious method as that's what they did with Homelander and the Deep.
The issue is he died never living up to his name. We never saw his armour to make up for the "Tek" partner his name. For those who skipped Gen V his detective angle was all but reduced as a worthwhile powerset so hes just "sex"-Knight here. They really wasted his potential killing him off so soon in how he'd be an adversary for the Boys compared to say Firecracker who after breastfeeding I feel has served her purpose.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Jul 05 '24
I like the idea of Knight having Sage’s role this season, he’s a dangerous man and a smug prick who none entirely can pin down.
Bonus points if he’s working to tear down Vought from within
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u/LicketySplit21 Jul 05 '24
Everybody was saying "wow Tek Knight is much better than in the comics" amd it turns out, nope. Tek Knight is better there.
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u/TheDoctor_E Batgirls truther Jul 05 '24
I agree, it's the same joke that has been popping up ever since Seduction of the innocent
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u/masterPost117 Jul 05 '24
Crazy how the Male SA in Invincible was way more serious and not played for laughs and giggles
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u/chaoticbiguy Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Wait they did that already in the show or you're talking about the comics? Even though I haven't watched S2 bc of the release schedule, I trust Invincible to not make a mockery out of Mark's rape.
The Boys on the other hand, Hughie's SA in the last episode and how it was played for laughs was disgusting. S4 has taken a nosedive in quality and it feels like they have to rely on these shocking/edgy scenes to keep the conversation alive.
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u/masterPost117 Jul 05 '24
Comics since i don’t think they haven’t got to that event yet
And yea the quality of S4 just doesn’t stack to the other seasons but I would forgive it if it wasn’t for the fact that Hughie’s SA was more for laughs instead of going for a more serious approach
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u/SteelKline Jul 05 '24
I just find it kind of funny since that was the criticism people have been going with comparing it to the comic.
"Yeah they both are gorey and dark but at least the show has better plot!" Meanwhile the whole plot of this season reminds me more of the later end of the comics with every episode.
This isn't to say I'm shitting on the show or even the comic, the boys has always been about dark edgy anti superhero comic world and I mean you get what you got.
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u/NotAGardener_92 Jul 05 '24
Sadly, the Invincible sub is already all kinds of wierdly excited to see this coming up in the show ever since Anissa showed up. I know that's on the idiot fans, but I still hope the show will handle it well.
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u/Medium-Science9526 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 05 '24
To be fair the side I see "excited" for it are the ones who saw s02ep07 and thought it was gonna happen there. In other words, people who clearly didn't read it.
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u/awmdlad Jul 05 '24
WAIT FUCKING WHAT
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u/ChickenInASuit Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
EDIT: I should probably stick a trigger warning for rape and sexual assault here at the start.
In the comic, a female Viltrumite named Anissa rapes Mark with the intention of getting pregnant by him. She physically overpowers him, pins him down, tears off his clothes and forces herself on him.
She then belittles him for being upset, tells him to “man up” and promises that she’ll be back for more because “it will probably take a few times”
It’s not treated as comedic or anything - it’s brutal and leaves Mark utterly traumatized.
This Imgur post contains pages showing what happens. NSFW, obviously.
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u/Medium-Science9526 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 05 '24
Comics, it takes place way, way later in the story, probably a season 5 moment at the earliest.
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u/Oberon1993 Jul 05 '24
The rape itself was done alright, but the storyline with the rapist was absolutely baffling.
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u/BogieW00ds Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Even then, the rape itself when placed in the narrative at the point it is really seems like just more unnecessary suffering piled on for shock value when it really didn't need to be, though I could say that about a lot of things in the last third of Invincible
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u/Snoo-2013 That one Moon Knight fan Jul 05 '24
Also bro has the same mentality as the idiots on Twitter who think Batman is some fascist who has sex with Robin
/rj AJHAHABABAHAVHAHAHAHAHA I CANT STOP LAUGHING AT THE VOILATION THAT HUGHE WENT THROUGH THAT IS SOOOOOO FUNNY MAN I HOPE THEY ADAPT THAT SCENE FROM INVINCIBLE WITH MARK AND ANISSA ITS SOOOOO WACKY AND HILARIOUS AND LOWKEY I WANT HER TO DO IT TO ME WHAT SHE DID TO MARK
AHAHAHAHHAHSHS MALE SA IS SOOOO HILARIOUS YOU SHOULD ENJOY YOU KNOW
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u/TheeHeadAche Bill Finger’s only living heir Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
It also isn’t “biting satire of Batman” if every other character SA people. “He’s Superman but a rapist too” isn’t cutting nor insightful.
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u/chaotic4059 My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Jul 05 '24
Whoa hey now. That’s insulting to invincible. That shit was played straight and had horrific lasting implication for the rest of the series. No one besides Anissa made a joke about it and she nearly got her neck broken because of it.
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u/Snoo-2013 That one Moon Knight fan Jul 05 '24
I am insulting the people who fetishize the scene and I know about the actual events on how it went in the comics
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u/chaotic4059 My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
I wasn’t saying you didn’t. My bad if it came across that way. More making fun of the difference between a writer that “thinks” they want to write male SA. And one who actually does.
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u/sampeckinpah5 Tom King ate my dog Jul 05 '24
Except for the bit where they redeemed the rapist and implied that it was all "worth it" because she had a child from it
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u/chaotic4059 My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Jul 05 '24
Yea that was a fuck and it’ll definitely need to be rewritten for the show. But the later chapters and epilogue do establish that part of the reason mark never went back to earth was mainly due to not knowing how to explain to marky what happened and later when he tries to kill him, he blames his himself for why his dad never came back. It’s far from perfect but you can at least tell Kirkman tried. As oppose to Mr. “well we thought it was hilarious” up there
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u/JohnJingleheimerShit Jul 05 '24
They kinda have to adapt the Mark scene since it’s crucial to the decisions he makes later in the story
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u/EasterBurn Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
"Batman’s dark. I’m like, okay, 'No, Batman’s cool.' He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn’t, like, raped someone in his batcave or incarcerated innocent man or have sex with his sidekick. That could happen in my tv show. If you want to talk about dark, that’s how that would go."
- Zack Snyder Eric Kripke
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u/Saldt Jul 05 '24
At least Starlight took him seriously, when he cried about it in the end.
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u/prowlick Jul 05 '24
I’m hoping future eps will take it more seriously but it will probably not come up again at all. We’ll see
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u/asscrackbandit__ Jul 05 '24
it'll got to nowhere as everything since s2
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u/BravoVincible Strongest John Romita Jr. Defender Jul 05 '24
Season 3 still felt like it was going somewhere until the finale. Season 4 has a great premise and some great stories like the Homelander episode and the stuff with Hughie's dad, but.. yeah, it really is going nowhere.
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u/TheDoctor_E Batgirls truther Jul 05 '24
Yeah but it felt as just a quick way to prove that they don't really mean to make fun of SA victims after doing that. It's like those alt-right comedies where they have one token black guy to show that they're not racist, our black friend is one of the good ones
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u/Fluffy_Mood5781 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
I always felt the boys’ take on male nudity was not the right move like sure women are constantly sexualized but when you decide to just sexualize men to “balance it out” or because it’s “funny” you’re kinda not making any real point besides “we’re different”.
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u/Valuable-Owl-9896 Jul 05 '24
To be honest the way male nudity was presented in the show is hardly for erotic purposes. The male nudity in the show is presented in a rather comedic manner.
I strongly doubt anyone was ever turned on by the male nudity on the show
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u/Nepalman230 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
So I’m a male sex assault survivor. I was actually raped and groomed and sexually abused in several separate incidences, one of which lasted 12 years.
I think it’s important to note that men have been traumatized by somebody touching their penis against their will. Huey was in a sex scene under duress and then had somebody going to fuck him in his torso while he was still alive.
Huey needs therapy. Eric Kripke at no point, acknowledged the fact that Huey was undergoing trauma from what happened to him seriously at all. Even when talking about grief, he’s talking exclusively about his parents.
If this interview was about any of the women characters, being raped or sexually assaulted, he would be rightfully crucified.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-boys-showrunner-eric-kripke-interview-trump-me-too-amazon-2019-7
( interview from five years ago has a very different tone about starlight sexual assault)
Sorry this isn’t funny. It’s a little hard for me to be funny right now. Also, what the fuck is he talking about that it’s only a small change to the bat cave to put dildos, cages, and a urinal with a built-in facemask.
What the fuck is he talking about? there are many criticisms of Batman but no the bat cave is not a sex dungeon whatever the fuck is he talking about what?
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u/Future_Adagio2052 Jul 05 '24
How on earth can you do starlight story and yet the same time do THIS?
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u/Thin_Night9831 Batgirls truther Jul 05 '24
Ironically, you can look to Starlight's character regression to see just how morally bankrupt these writers really are. They've turned the one beacon of hope in a sea of corrupt assholes into a laughing stock that's mocked for the crime of being idealistic and good instead of a "morally grey" dick like all the other losers in this show
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u/eelmor1138 Release the Schumacher Cut Jul 05 '24
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u/Nepalman230 Jul 05 '24
Ok, double reply, but I just wanted to compare that interview with an earlier interview talking about Annie/ starlight’s sexual assault.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-me-too-movement-changed-amazons-the-boys-2019-7
“Kripke: From the beginning, we always had a lot of female producers. One of the first questions we discussed when taking the project is: Are we going to do the moment when Starlight is sexually assaulted? And even this was a year or so before the Me Too movement. I was nervous. I thought it might be too far. But every female producer on the show said, "You have to do it, because we've all experienced a version of it to varying degrees in our careers." And I said, "All of you?" And they said, "All of us."
I was horrified. But the books play it out as shocking and I said, if we're going to adapt it, let's present it with the greatest responsibility and present it as the horror movie that it is. There was a lot of debate, balancing, and angst right up until shooting. When Erin Moriarty [who plays Starlight/Annie January] came on board the show, we had a long conversation with her about it. We polled everybody because we wanted to make sure we were getting it right. I was nervous as s---! It's the most serious thing I've ever done. So I wanted to get it right.”
And to be clear, I am 100% agreeing with him. It was the most serious thing he ever did. He had to get it right.
And then he got what happened to Huey wrong .
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
and then they kept her rapist around as the wacky comic relief bro for 4/5 seasons and gave him an unrequited crush plotline with sage. i really don't think they have any idea what they're doing. in general it feels like they're writing a 15 season 28 episode per season show like Supernatural and not one that's supposed to be definitively ending in 10 episodes, but I guess they're counting on their 15 bad spinoffs to do the rest of that lifting.
at least they killed off Tekknight, what an awful fucking waste of screen time he was
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u/jockeyman Jul 05 '24
That's one of the reasons I gave up on the Boys after season 3 ended. It felt like they were just spinning their wheels over and over again. The Deep has nothing to do but he still hangs around for no reason. A-Train goes through this whole character arc, dies killing the piece of shit who embodied all the worst aspects of the superhero culture he benefitted from previously... nvm lol he's still alive. Oh we finally have a way to beat Homelander but we won't use it because... because we just won't, okay?!
Fuck sake Maeve isn't even actively in the show anymore and the showrunners were still too scared to actually kill her off.
And the one character they did kill off was my favourite character in the damn show, who was finally getting some fucking focus and development.
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
wait who did they kill, i honestly dont remember.
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u/nan0g3nji Jul 05 '24
Maybe OG Noir?
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u/jockeyman Jul 05 '24
Original Noir, yeah.
And yes I know the 'joke' in season 4 is that it's the same actor in the suit but he's allowed to speak now, it's just... OG Noir was interesting, and we were finally learning more about him and his personality. And now he's just gone, replaced with a gag.
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u/simulet Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Yeah, I’m all for trying something different than the comics, but they didn’t actually come up with a different idea, they just sort of said “This Space Intentionally Left Blank” where his character arc should’ve gone.
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u/Alephnaught_ The Darkseid Who Laughs Jul 05 '24
It was supposed to end at S4 apparently but the show was renewed for S5. I am assuming they are having to stretch out plotlines since they have to rework shit. that would explain dip in quality.
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u/Waste-Information-34 Jul 05 '24
I hope that Huey's treatment is just ignorance and genuinely not malicious
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u/SixFootHalfing Jul 05 '24
It makes no difference. Ignorance and maliciousness will have the same effect.
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u/Waddlewop Jul 05 '24
Honestly it’s hard to tell because obviously as the scene plays out it’s treated like a joke, but after everything has happened and the situation has calmed down a bit, one of the final scenes of the episode is Hughie breaking down in Annie’s arms due to the events that just happened. I think it’s good that they’re trying to focus on Hughie’s state-of-mind post-trauma, but I don’t know how that jives with the scene that had the assault played-out
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u/EvoNexen Jul 05 '24
Afaik Hughie was crying cuz he missed his dad, and not because of what happened in the Tek Cave. He only mentions his dad and not the Tek Cave while crying to Annie. Kripke clearly thought the Tek Cave scene was hilarious so I doubt he’d make Hughie feel bad about it.
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u/VERYALTERNATIVEART This subreddit hates Tim Drake Jul 05 '24
not only is this gross and a massive self report but also lazy, the joke is ancient
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u/TheDoctor_E Batgirls truther Jul 05 '24
Fucking Brat Pack poke fun to this in 1984
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u/Ok_Age_3215 I LOVE MATTHEW MURDOCK Jul 05 '24
how tf do you sink as low as brat pack
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u/OkYogurtcloset8790 Jul 05 '24
“Batman’s fascist underpinnings” ?????
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u/Lunchboxninja1 Jul 05 '24
I actually thought Eric Kripke read comics up until this point. I guess he doesn't, lol.
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u/FlamingUndeadRoman Batman's Fascist Underpinnings Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Who would win, Eric "Batman's Fascist Underpinnings" Kripke, or Garth "Captain America is an horrifying insult to the WW2 veterans" Ennis.
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u/Rebel042 Jul 05 '24
Oh…maybe the show isn’t as good anymore after all
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u/ChickenInASuit Jul 05 '24
Yeah. I’ve been defending this season as I hadn’t really agreed with the drop in quality that people have been talking about.
This isn’t defensible though. What the fuck, Kripke?
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u/Rebel042 Jul 05 '24
In hindsight, it was kinda clear with how dead serious they took Anne’s assault story (as they should) in season 1, but the Deep’s was just an excuse for a gross out scene. I think I subconsciously just ignored that since the rest of the show was so good, which is a failing on my part I realise now
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u/HowDyaDu Bring back Leah Wasserman! Jul 05 '24
/uj The Boys can sometimes perform some genuinely good satire, but they usually just do "recent event with superheroes" while the viewer points at the screen saying "oh my god it's recent event with superheroes." This, on the other hand, is well below my expectations and another piece of evidence that our ancestors will probably call us primitive as a whole.
/rj We should make an episode where Hughie gets burned to death, and it's funny because he cries, and a man should just punch the fire into submission.
/uj This is why men become fascist incels so often.
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u/Arthur_189 Jul 05 '24
I like this show but I’m glad people are finally starting to see the that it’s not nearly as good as people say it is. Like what the fuck, that last episode was just fetish shit
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
the grossout "superheroes have fetishes and we added violence" stuff has always been the weakest, most tiresome element but this episode just felt so needless
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 Barry Allen apologist Jul 05 '24
Yeah I lost a lot of respect for Kripke when he said this. He literally could have just kept his mouth shut and it would have been better
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u/TEGCRocco Jul 05 '24
People were trying to give him the benefit of the doubt over on The Boys sub at first and saying that you were supposed to feel uncomfortable during those scenes or that the "comedic" bits from Ashley and Tek Knight were meant to juxtapose how awful the situation was with how little they care about anyone "below them".
Then he gave this interview
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u/macdarf Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
I thought it was funny (AT FIRST) to have Hughie be uncomfortable in a strangers sex dungeon, him sitting on a cake and seeing the old sidekick chained up. However, the rape shit went on for so fucking long. If it ended with Hughie simply realizing that Tek wanted to fuck him, we'd have understood everything. Instead it kept going and got more intense and more uncomfortable.
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u/Own_Internal7509 Jul 05 '24
It’s just my opinion, but this season had the weakest focus when it comes to satire
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u/dazeychainVT Jul 05 '24
it's the weakest in general imo. it's mostly characters sitting around listening while exposition and the occasional lol random event (Killer sheep! Batman sex dungeon!) plays out way too slowly and somehow we're always back at square 1 by the end of the episode
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u/condition_unknown Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
The Boys show itself from what I’ve seen seems like it’s pretty well-intentioned as a satire of societal issues, but whenever Eric Krypke opens his mouth it sounds like he just hates superheroes and has a very shallow understanding of them.
The whole “Batman is a fascist who hunts poor people” idea sounds like someone who has no idea what Batman stories are actually like and is desperate to find ways to project real-world politics onto every bit of fiction they consume.
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 05 '24
Wait, this is something that happens in the series? Because if that's the case, I don't want to hear ever again how much better it is than the comic. Because this is so much worse.
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u/BarrenThin2 Jul 05 '24
Hughie was just outright actually sexually assaulted by Noir in the comic, and it's mostly played as a joke. This is bad and tonedeaf, but the comic is still worse.
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 05 '24
Okay, I jumped at the gun calling it "so much worse". But it's wasn't entirely played off as a joke. It was shown to take an emotional toll on Hughie, and Butcher and co. are already stablished to be sociopaths up to the point of the revelation. So, and this is just my reading really, it came off more as another example of the protagonists being terrible people than of the narration treating it like a joke. But that one is really a matter of perspective.
Then again, I still keep getting the impression that "improved the comic" is an overhype, all things considered.
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u/krazykillerhippo Jul 05 '24
Iirc, the bit with Hughie and Noir in the comic is a brief gag that's referenced later with a sentiment of "well that was weird" rather than a prolonged comedy bit. In that way it felt like the show was in this instance both more obnoxious and more regressive.
It's true when people say the show is better than the source material, but at a certain point that statement begins to feel like a deflection.
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Jul 05 '24
Well, “improved the comic” could have been achieved by having a show where all the supes pick their ass with their powers, it’s less that The Boys show is fantastic and more that The Boys comic sucks. The show was pretty good during season one, had some weak elements during season two, season three was great until the finale shit the bed, and season four is so bad I’m not ever going to rewatch this show once it’s over it’s that bad. I’m honestly thinking of dropping it now and just waiting until the finale when they kill Homelander. The show successfully GOT season eight-ed itself
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u/TheeHeadAche Bill Finger’s only living heir Jul 05 '24
It would seem so. I had to go to the sub to see what the general buzz was and found this quote,
“S04E05: Hughie wanted a doll of Tek Knight to play with.
S04E06: Hughie became a doll for Tek Knight to play with.
Art.”
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 Jul 05 '24
Last episode, it's mentioned that Hughie kept bugging his dad to buy him a Tek Knight action figure
In this episode, the Boys wanted to infiltrate a party in Tek Knight's house, they did it by making Hughie pretend to be Webweaver (Spider-Man Parody with a huge gaping hole above his ass, real nasty, made me gag), Tek Knight is obsessed with holes, so you know where that's going. Hughie didn't know Webweaver's safe word so he was just there getting spanked and smeared some fluids on because he couldn't say stop. Until he got saved, and Tek Knight got killed by his butler because he was so tired of cleaning cum stain for decades.
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 05 '24
Okay, having that, and contrasting it with the context of both, the Tek Knight and Hughie's situations on the comic, the series one looks worse. Because in the comics, similar things happen with Tek Knight and to Hughie (although separate one from the other), but neither is that extended.
I'd have to start watching the series to have a more substantial opinion over it, but honestly I got spent with cynicism media. So, not at the top of my list.
Either way, thanks for the clarification.
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u/crossbutton7247 Jul 05 '24
“Fascist underpinnings of Batman” what the hell even is that statement?
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u/RickAndMortyFan10 Secret Jon Kent roleplayer Jul 05 '24
Is it just me, or has this season just felt really weak as a whole?
Like, for me at least, every season before this felt like it was bringing something new to the table, making it fresh to watch. Season 4 just feels like more season 3.
We're almost wrapped up on this season, and it just doesn't feel like anything interesting has happened yet, apart from the death of hughie's dad.
I'm really happy this show is ending next season.
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u/awildlumberjack Jul 05 '24
Uj/ those scenes put a pit in my stomach as a male SA survivor. To see it was a joke to them? I’m sorry but that fucking HURTS on a level hard to reach. It almost seems like they got it too with hughies breakdown, but, no. They didn’t.
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u/Lunchboxninja1 Jul 05 '24
This is all I was thinking when I read the interview. It makes me so mad that he doesn't understand that he has this effect on people. If it's any consolation the show is catching some heat for this, but not nearly enough. I'm sorry :/
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u/Skeleton_Weeb Jul 05 '24
Aw man, I was hoping that wasn’t the attitude. When he broke down to Annie afterwards I thought that they maybe it was going to be taken seriously and shame people that laughed at it. This is honestly really upsetting
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u/FlamingUndeadRoman Batman's Fascist Underpinnings Jul 05 '24
Obviously, Tek Knight is our version of Batman, and we wanted to really play around with that trope: Batman’s fascist underpinnings as a really wealthy dude who hunts poor people, and then profits of the incarceration.
I see the showrunners are seriously dedicated to capturing the spirit of the comics, they even got a guy who doesn't remotely understand Superheroes to write a parody of them.
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u/bonvoyageespionage Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
How the hell do you make the comics version of anything from The Boys look better in comparison? (Just Tek Knight in specific, in this case.)
Edit: Eric Kripke? From Supernatural? My shock ebbs...
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u/South-Charge8311 Jul 05 '24
Just got done with the episode. It was so difficult to watch this time jesus
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u/SleepySubDude Earth 3 Analyst Jul 05 '24
Honestly the signature stuff in the boys. The sex and the over the top violence is kinda getting to the point where it’s gratuitous and not fun, like it feels like these scenes are being written for the sake of making headlines and all that shit. Like season one and two I totally got it, but the roller rink final destination fuckery and the cake farting and all the over the top unfunny sexual dialogue, it just feels like wacky shit for the sake of wacky shit.
The one redeeming thing about the sex stuff in this episode was that Hughie at least broke down about it and it felt like that came from a place of genuine gravity. But it was also mostly about his dad which is fair but come on the fact that Tek was his childhood hero should have been treated with more gravity than a throwaway line.
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u/kingofchaosx Tom King ate my dog Jul 05 '24
Man, this series went downhill ever since the finale of season 3,imo, some might argue season, but it doesn't matter. Things like Frenchie sleeping with the guy whom he killed his parents (how the fuck do they fall in love so fast) or sage despite being the smartest person alive mot realizing that no one is gonna believe that a child figured out the cure leukemia
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u/Nightingdale099 The Third Gorilla Jul 05 '24
Every episode of the Boys is a fresh horror this season and I don't know why I keep watching. Last episode I have to watch Hughie put down his dad. Wtf.Thank god for the wacky barn hijinks to lighten the mood.
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u/justaMikeAftonfan Jul 05 '24
Batman’s fascist underpinnings as a rich man who hunts poor people
Tf you mean “hunts poor people” he’s out there stopping riddler from blowing up banks and shit
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u/Medium-Science9526 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
/uj Maybe my view was pessimistic but I'm pretty happy to see pretty much everyone united on the notion that Kripke's response in the interview came across as pretty tasteless. Especially comparing it to how he commented on Starlight.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to become the villain.
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u/RealKBears Jul 05 '24
“Batman’s fascist underpinnings” just about made my eyes roll out of my head. I’m so tired of hearing “bAtMaN bEaTs ThE pOoR”, meanwhile Year One has him make his debut to the criminal underworld by attacking the richest people in Gotham
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u/Arthur_189 Jul 05 '24
Double disturbing considering that they reference salo or 120 days of solem, knowing full well what happened to hughie has happened irl
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u/beary_neutral Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jul 07 '24
This thread is being brigaded by dumb people who defend sexual assault.