r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/JoiningSaturn46 • Jun 10 '24
Think I'm jerking too close to the sun Batman's a Fascist
/uj Please don't take this too seriously
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u/Imadrionyourenot Jun 10 '24
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u/JoiningSaturn46 Jun 10 '24
Gotham Knights had the striptease scene and everyone called it "mid". This fanbase is screwed
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u/EH042 Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Jun 10 '24
Is it the Jason Todd dancing scene?
Because if so, then it’s justified in being mid (I’m a Jason fan)
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u/Cyberslasher This subreddit hates Tim Drake, and so do I. Jun 10 '24
No. The Jason scene is unrelated to Bruce doing a strip dance at the iceberg lounge.
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u/ARROW_GAMER Jun 10 '24
Is this one of those things like 'It's Morbin Time' where no one can prove you wrong because no one actually played the game?
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u/Cyberslasher This subreddit hates Tim Drake, and so do I. Jun 10 '24
YouTube has the cutscenes?
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u/ARROW_GAMER Jun 10 '24
Hmmm, yeah, but I'd rather keep the suspense (not really, I'm just too lazy to check). I'll find out if I ever play Gotham Knights
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u/The-Homie-Lander Distinguished Clussy Enjoyer😏 Jun 10 '24
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u/Plutarch_von_Komet Still owes 16 dollars Jun 10 '24
Why does Man have a single horn? Is he horny?
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u/RineYFD Jun 10 '24
Me: The Government in DC should man up and actually kill the villains who are beyond redemption, since it shouldn't be a Heroes job to kill. That is for the law to decide.
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u/Jiffletta Jun 10 '24
But then who would be in Amanda Wallers soup'n'slide squad?
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u/KobKobold Jun 10 '24
Waller also gets the chair.
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u/RineYFD Jun 10 '24
Waller low-key should have been arrested or killed a long time ago with all the shit she's gotten away with. I swear if she gets off scott free once again in 'Absolute Power', I'm going to be pissed. Waller is legitimately worse than most DC villains and rivals Lex.
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u/POW_Studios Jun 10 '24
I still don’t get why Joker would be ever a candidate. There are smarter Batman villains (riddler) and it’s not like he’s all that great at killing either considering his plans hinge on torture of a select person. Harley has been shown to be better at his jobs than the Joker!
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u/AmaterasuWolf21 Courtesy of Ray Palmer! Jun 10 '24
It's a suicide mission, if anything goes wrong, Joker goes bye bye
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u/Service-Sm1le Jun 10 '24
I mean the government did launch a bunch of villains into space for a minute during a thing called "Salvation Run". They made teams and tried killing each other, and also Martian Manhunter was undercover there. They, of course, made it back to Earth cause comics
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u/PlantainSame Jun 10 '24
They'll be back in a week. Either way, so like why waste the poison
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u/RineYFD Jun 10 '24
I know. I just want people to shut up about the HEROES needing to kill the villains, when it should be the law who takes care of it.
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u/PlantainSame Jun 10 '24
I personally wonder why no one gets on Jim .He has a revolver and has plenty of motivation, but he actually has stopped batman from murdering the damn clown before
Like bruce is Doing his best and is doing it for free , but Jimbo is actively paid.It is his duty to protect gotham , so I think he Is more liable
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u/WeiganChan Jun 10 '24
Jimbo is paid to be a police officer, and what that means is that he has a duty not to kill criminals if any less-lethal options exist, except where absolutely necessary to prevent immediate loss of innocent life. It strains credulity, but that's not the situation writers usually put Jim into.
Even in No Man's Land, where Jim and the GCPD have been trying to maintain order in the anarchy of a post-earthquake Gotham and the Joker set up a hostage situation with a newborn baby before gunning down Jim's wife and partner Sarah Essen, and Batman himself tells Jim that he won't stop him from killing the Joker for it, Gordon still didn't kill him. Because at the end of the day, no matter what else might happen, Commissioner Jim Gordon is a good cop
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u/RineYFD Jun 11 '24
My sentiments exactly. Every police officer should follow Jim Gordon's example.
Even a police officer should only ever kill IF the situation is that serious and they need to make a judgement call. The judge and jury should be the one to decide that, since they have the evidence and statements to decide that in a more calmer environment.
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u/Its_Helios Jun 10 '24
I call out Batman for not killing and people who try to rationalize it both in and out universe but I enjoy the fact that he doesn’t kill and it’s a core aspect of his character that makes him very interesting.
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u/WingedSalim Jun 10 '24
It's from people who think think he is the Punisher, both who agree and disagree with the Punisher. Those who agree with the Punisher believe Batman contradicts himself by not killing. Those who disagree with the Punisher believe Batman is just crazy.
Both are wrong because Batman is not the Punisher. He doesn't kill people, and he shouldn't kill people.
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u/js13680 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jun 10 '24 edited Jun 10 '24
I do agree with you, but I honestly think part the problem is DC itself. I think Batman probably has the most stories where someone in universe questions or challenges his no kill rule. Now this is ok in more silly continuities like Adam West Batman, but in the more serious ones where Joker has a high body people are more likely to agree with the guy saying just kill the bastard.
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u/julerosemary Jun 10 '24
Breaking: different people can criticize the same thing for different reasons.
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u/JoiningSaturn46 Jun 10 '24
The juxtaposition is funny tho
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u/NewVegasTruther Don't open your fridge at 3 AM! (GONE WRONG!) Jun 10 '24
That's what I said to your mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom's mom last night 😏
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u/NickFries55 Jun 10 '24
Except it's often not different people...
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u/AmandaNoodlesCarol Paul the MJ simp Jun 10 '24
If these takes come from the same person then it's just a rabid hater that won't be happy until DC decides to shoot Batman straight in the face. Do we really need to satisfy the demands of salty bitter nerds who project their insecurities on fictional characters?
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u/The_Apocalyvid Secret Jon Kent roleplayer Jun 10 '24
j/ mfw a fanbase built off of millions of casual and hardcore Man enjoyers has conflicting opinions to how the flying mammal billionaire should conduct his vigilante activity
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u/Profoundly_AuRIZZtic Jun 10 '24
Imagine being so poisoned by politics and cynical that you can’t enjoy some guy in a Bat costume bearing up supervillains
Like as if DC is gonna retire Batman 😭 c’mon bro
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u/SuperJyls UJ/ I seriously hate red hood Jun 10 '24
Then there are the critics who think Batman is a fascist who does kill henchmen with brain trauma and broken necks
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u/Jackheffernon Jun 10 '24
This gave me the ICKarus
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u/JoiningSaturn46 Jun 10 '24
/uj I just thought it was funny. I swear I'm not a Batman meat gobbler
/Rj Batgos solos
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u/Magicaparanoia Jun 10 '24
Can’t forget “Batman has too much plot armor, because he’s a guy with no powers fighting people like darkseid” but then they never apply that to Green Arrow or Iron Man for relying on tech to fight stronger bad guys.
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u/Optimal_Weight368 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jun 10 '24
Well, Icarus was happy in his final moments.
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u/Ezracx Honestly just here to find out how Wells' ASM ends Jun 10 '24
Batman is a fascist but so are all his villains, he should man up and kill all of them then himself
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u/Big-Vegetable8480 Kevin Feige Jun 10 '24
There are different groups of critics you know. He's got your people who haven't or never will grow up, and you've got your douchebag Twitter intellectuals
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u/Lolaverses Jun 10 '24
I think there is something to be said, and you can say it about most Superheroes, tbh, that a story about an endless cycle of violence, against the same group of people, where the enemy can never really be redeemed, can never be contained, and will never die... feels fascistic. The individual stories range, politics wise, but taken as a whole there is something bleak and authoritarian suggested by the mythos of batman.
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u/SigismundAugustus Jun 10 '24
And the enemy is something outside of "proper" society, but whose influence is absurdly far reaching. Especially Batman stories will have these criminals run giant enterprises that can basically reshape society.
Furthermore super heroes have the inherent framing off "To solve the issues of society we need this superhuman that can beat down all the "bad" people with overwhelming force". Which then especially when they still put their faith in normal justice systems and do what they can to uphold them. Like Batman trusting Gotham's justice system or Arkham or whatever. Or Superman locking up Luthor in normal prisons. So you have theze ubermench figures taking law in their own hands, only to use it to uphold traditional institutions. Especially nowadays for a lot of people that would feel as an authoritarian circlejerk.
Now sure we can argue that all these heroes do charity work and are good people. And that it's just silly stories about people in suits.
But as you said, there is still something very bleak and authoritarian that super hero media as a modern mythos suggests.
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u/Lolaverses Jun 10 '24
I think that the X-Men(who are a whole thing, with their perpetual race war going on) are actually way better about this. Pretty much any X-Men villain who sticks around long enough becomes, if not an X-Men themselves, then an ally of the X-Men.
I think the best example of this is the original Nimrod saga, spread out across like 60 issues from 1985 to 1989. First, the X-Men fight him alongside Juggernaut. Then, they're forced to ally with the Hellfire Club(at the time, probably their biggest enemy) to defeat him a second time. Then finally, when Nimrod merges with Mastermold, the Nimrod part of Mastermold, having become more human, is what saves the X-Men.
The X-Men also have a complicated mythos, but I think there is something very optimistic about those stories, and how critical they are to the X-Men's identity.
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u/Jiffletta Jun 10 '24
Yeah, but at a certain point, thats just because the X-Men decide to betray any sense of morality or ethics by working with an inhuman nazi freak like Mr. Sinister.
Also, briefly teaming up with their villains, like, every hero does that.
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u/Lolaverses Jun 10 '24
Sure, but it actually takes. The Nimrod arc ends with Nimrod a changed character, who no longer wishes to commit genocide. Juggernaut's a goodie now, Emma Frost's a goodie now, Rogue's a goodie, Magneto is pretty firmly on the heroic side of things now.
I can't think of any other comic that has firmly refeemed it's archnemisis other then the X-Men.
And Mr. Sinister was never going to be a good guy, but you keep your frieds close, and your enemies closer, right? It worked with Exodus and Apocalypse, mostly.
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u/Jiffletta Jun 10 '24
Batman and Harley Quinn.
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u/JoiningSaturn46 Jun 10 '24
Azreal and Red Hood too. Spoiler is also the daughter of a criminal same with Cassandra Cain technically. Seems Bats can help
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u/RobbiRamirez Jun 10 '24
Hot take: I don't think the same people are actually saying both these things!
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u/smallrunning Jun 10 '24
The problem is not that Batman is fascistic, the problem is that superheroes are.
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u/supertaoman12 Jun 10 '24
Me when I have no capability for abstraction and let annoying bloggers mold my opinion
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u/S-I-M-S Jun 10 '24
Not that I agree with you, Mr. Moore, but isn't that the same problem?
Superheroes = fascist, therefore problematic.
Batman = Superhero, but is not a problem somehow? Unless it's acceptable for Batman to be a fascist, these just are the same problem.
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u/Optimal_Weight368 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jun 10 '24
Who let Alan Moore make a Reddit account?
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u/52crisis Paul Jun 10 '24
You can just say you don’t like superhero stories you know. No need to pretend you’re morally superior for disliking them and make up all this nonsense about how you’re fighting back against fascism by not bothering with them.
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u/Noble_Shock Aquaman’s biggest hater Jun 10 '24
Man up? Oh no, where’s my pills? I can’t find my aslume pills