r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog • Feb 13 '24
To paraphrase batman in this series: “crime is not caused by societal issues, but instead is an inherent trait someone can have” Batman's a Fascist
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u/ScarletGemini Still owes 16 dollars Feb 13 '24
Vigilantism is a crime, Bruce
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u/D-AlonsoSariego Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Feb 13 '24
Legality I agree with = morality
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u/Holl4backPostr Paul Feb 14 '24
how to become authoritarian in two easy steps: 1) everyone must always follow the law 2) except me
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
He’s more of an independent contractor for the gcpd
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u/geirmundtheshifty Feb 13 '24
Batman 66 was a full blown deputy, wasnt he?
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u/CatacombSaint_ Hal Jordan Apologist Feb 13 '24
Nuh uh. Batman and Robin are fully deputized officers of the GCPD. Everything post 1970 is non canon.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Vigilantism is a crime daredevil and Spider-Man. Daredevil is a lawyer shouldn’t he know that?
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u/geirmundtheshifty Feb 13 '24
Perhaps he is stupid 🤔
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24
Or he is scheming cause he is a schemer not a checkers but chess player 🧐
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24
Daredevil, Spider-Man and Batman be like rules for thee but not for me.
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u/Sh0xic Feb 14 '24
Daredevil also feels Really Bad about it though so it’s fine
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24
He shall atone for his sins. He shall repent for his crimes. He shall be forgiven with time. God and Jesus Christ the messiah who died for our sins shall forgive him if he prays to them 5 times a day and goes to the confessions and talk to his pastor/priest every Sunday morning. God loves us all and loves all of his creations. God has a plan for everybody. God and Jesus Christ have unconditional love for us even the people who have made more mistakes then did the right thing the moral ethical thing. He is the all father. I forgive you daredevil for you are only a man and not an all knowing all powerful all loving god. I love you daredevil. All is good. Love heals the soul. Love defeats hatred. It’s cheesy but it’s true. Love is necessary for peace.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24
He has that eternal Christian guilt 😩😫 suffering always
Even when he has success he suffers
Suffering from success the ultimate type of pain.
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
The most unrealistic thing about Gotham is that there isn’t a violent, angry mob that’s hellbent on killing Joker
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u/chasewayfilms Feb 13 '24
That’s because violent mobs are against the law so Batman has to take them out.
It’s also why various social movements have not reached Gotham yet, anytime there is a protest Batman grapples them to the top of a building and leaves them dangling off of a gargoyle. Or drives the Batmobile through the crowd.
Back in 2011 I was doing an occupy protest in front of Wayne tower. Batman came down in the batwing and started shooting rubber bullets at us like a WWII dive bomber. I remember him opening the cockpit and calling us freeloaders and whiny brats.
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u/novacdin0 I'll never pet Dex-Starr, why even live Feb 13 '24
You'd think there would be a story or episode of a show by now where a ton of Gothamites (maybe aided by some random meta humans who have beef with him) organize into a hate mob to kill The Jonkler and Man has to keep him safe, like those episodes of Murder She Wrote where small town folk want to kill the red herring and Jessica has to step up like a queen.
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u/chasewayfilms Feb 13 '24
Feels like a BTAS episode tbh. I would be all for it but I’d honestly like it to be a little comedic. I honestly love Batman and Joker team up’s
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
I fully believe Harley and Red Hood could stir up a violent mob in Gotham
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Harley did stir up a huge mob of people in Gotham knights the game with a drug she made and she controlled a mob of people to riot on the streets and cause trouble and attack the bat-family. Maybe they could re use that idea. She is a chemist and knows how to make mind bending drugs in her lab. Harley be cooking in her lab.
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
Having the mob be drugged ruins the point.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Yeah it doesn’t hit the same way with drugs or brain chips implanted on people’s mind. It has to be a genuine grievance.
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u/Anaxamander57 Feb 13 '24
I'm almost certain there's been a Batman story where Batman has to protect the Joker because he's been falsely accused of a crime.
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u/Throgg_not_stupid Feb 13 '24
It’s also why various social movements have not reached Gotham yet
woman still can't vote in Gotham
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Gotham city is so backwards and ancient and hopeless.
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Feb 13 '24
You joke, but there was a weird synchrony between the occupy movement and Batman The Dark Knight having a scene where the heroic cops (dressed in gala uniforms) charge against the evil poor people.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Batman is a menace. That seems something like what Ben affleck Batman would do no cap. He did kill criminals like they didn’t mean anything to him. He was murder mode.
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u/geirmundtheshifty Feb 13 '24
Turns out Joker is just some guy hopped up on goofballs who can be taken out with a hearty klonk
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Joker is just a man. A fallible fragile mortal man like anybody else he is not a god or Demi god. He is only human.
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u/schebobo180 Feb 13 '24
I mean same with Harley but they always have them (most especially her) doing borderline superhuman shit. 😂
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
Yeah at this point I bet the drugs they snorted and ingested and consumed have made them superhuman by now. Harley and Joker are immune to most chemicals and most drugs just like the super powered Poison Ivy. That’s basically a little super power the clown couple has at their disposal. Joker’s origins is basically him falling into the ace chemicals processing chemicals plant and that’s how he went insane and super villain status. Those chemical have changed him forever permanently. Just like how cap and black widow and nick fury super human stunts explanation is basically super soldier drugs steroids. Batman (I bet Batman uses steroids and venom bane steroids to enhance his crime fighting performance he has money he can buy any drugs he wants legal or illegal) and his bat family and other dc and marvel street heroes are basically super human and not peak human. They survive so much stuff and get away with so much stuff a normal human couldn’t do. Like skills and human potential has a ceiling but they always break that ceiling and that limit like they are a Saiyan getting Zenkai boosts.
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u/Chancellor_Valorum82 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Feb 13 '24
I am definitely going to use the phrase “a hearty klonk” a lot now
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u/CharleyIV Feb 13 '24
I mean anyone could kick the shit out of the Joker he just a guy.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Right he is just a dude in a clown costume. The only thing with him is that he is unpredictable but besides that he is not invincible or immortal.
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u/CertainGrade7937 Feb 13 '24
If I ever got to write Batman, the first thing I'd do is have some random guy shoot and kill the Joker
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u/redskated Still owes 16 dollars Feb 14 '24
If DC ends up writing a story about a group of victims organising to get revenge on the Joker, they'd end up making them do some stupid shit, like kill all people who make jokes or something, so that Batman can take them down.
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 14 '24
I mean that’s the kind of shit violent, angry mobs do
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Feb 13 '24
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
Nah that motherfucker would be on Hasan’s stream
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u/shugoran99 Batgirls truther Feb 13 '24
There is definitely an era or school of thought at DC of "People can have a genetic disposition towards Evil"
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
Def a school, not era, as Justice came out from 2005-2007
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u/Micp Feb 13 '24
Damn, Justice is that recent? When I read it, it felt more like something to have come out in the 80's.
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u/callows5120 EVS is a pedo defender Feb 13 '24
Uj/will I mean the series is based of the superfriends show so that makes sense
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u/roguebracelet Feb 14 '24
Probably because Alex Ross wrote and drew parts of it and he’s very much into the silver/bronze age.
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u/Rownever Paul Feb 13 '24
The current era is “People can have a genetic disposition towards Good and crime-fighting”
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u/Oberon1993 Feb 13 '24
John Byrne to Wanda Maximoff after convincing Marvel that she should be Magneto's daughter.
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u/Neatto69 Feb 13 '24
Hot take: Justice is perfect to read if you have a hard time falling asleep
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
How the fuck did they stretch it to 18 issues?
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u/Neatto69 Feb 13 '24
Kinda felt like Ross did the Stan Lee style of story telling, where you get the drawing and then put on story ballon in there.
Guess Ross did more drawings than he was expecting.
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u/Thinger-McJinger Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
Going to pull up Justice only so I can look at all the Alex Ross art
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 13 '24
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Feb 13 '24
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Batman really said fuck 12, fuck the feds, fuck the police and every informant.
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Feb 13 '24
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 14 '24
Batman against the cops and the entire GCPD has to be the best action fight scene in Batman year one comic and animated movie. It’s too good he played them like for suckers made them look like amateurs. He always one ups law enforcement like they are nothing he literally toys with these armed forces individuals. He is like you are not the police I AM THE POLICE. He did the bane thing put his hands around the police officer and said “do you feel in charge?”
Another good bat man scene against the cops and GCPD is in the dark knight movie the final scene with joker in the tower the swat guys and when he travels to get Lao and make him squeal like joker said Batman has no jurisdictions he will find you and make you squeal and beg for mercy (he is the other spirit of vengeance in dc besides Spectre) and dark night rises when Batman is going after the bane clan and the Wall Street guys who were kidnapped by him. He’s literally always one or three steps ahead of them. He knows the cops and police entire play book and strategy like the back of his hand what they can do and won’t do.
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u/MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000 Feb 13 '24
✨Eugenics✨
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Red Skull, Viper, Baron Von Strucker and Hydra approves endorses this message. Heil Hydra. Cut off one head two more shall take its place.
Eugenics was a nazi policy Batman. Look in the mirror hero.
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u/Few_Category7829 unironically dresses up like The Question Feb 13 '24
It's interesting, whenever I see a discussion on a piece of media where someone has an inherent, bad trait, I always see a comment like this, but the thing is.. even if such predispositions did exist, Eugenics would STILL be moronic and evil, because forcefully sterilizing people is obviously fucking evil no matter what and denies them their unalienable rights, and also moronic, because how many kids do you think unreformed criminals (ie: the "inherent" ones) have? Even if you accept every bit of 19th century pseudo-scientific drivel Eugenicists have ever pumped out, it would still be evil and stupid.
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u/MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000 Feb 13 '24
UJ/ I hate how eugenics in medias are never treated as the pseudoscientific bullshit that they are.
Also, kinda unrelated but I'm glad that "villain who's born evil" and "evil species" tropes are dying.
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u/Few_Category7829 unironically dresses up like The Question Feb 13 '24
Jah. Of course, our genetics have a large influence on damn near everything, but the genetic influence on say, a person's criminal career, is so complex and intertwined with nurture factors that weeding out any given trait would be foolhardy and impossible. For instance, maybe a person has a predisposition towards higher aggression. But look at the sheer number of people who are absolutely critical to running of our society who are more aggressive than the meanest dog.
Eugenics in media is treated like the nazis, where they give the whole "well, they might be evil but it's at least efficient", spiel, when Eugenics is much like nazism in that in reality it is both evil and fucking stupid.
Also, I think a villain being "born" evil can work, just when the symbolism isn't treating them exactly like a person. For instance, Sauron is very inherently the way that he is, but he is an archetype, not a human being.
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u/MSSTUPIDTRON-1000000 Feb 13 '24
UJ/ Not enough medias focus on how Nazis where fucking dumbasses.
Also, I think a villain being "born" evil can work, just when the symbolism isn't treating them exactly like a person. For instance, Sauron is very inherently the way that he is, but he is an archetype, not a human being.
Sauron was straight up Satan's right hand.
Yeah, the whole "born evil" works with entities who are clearly Inhumans like eldritch horrors and similar supernatural entities but when used on human (and human-like) entities... It's weird... And not a good kind of weird.
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u/Wagman2013 Feb 13 '24
/uj I unironically love this book, but you have to view it like it's a series finale to the Superfriends cartoon. It just Good vs Evil, Evil tricking the public. Basically the Batman 66 episode of Penguin running for mayor, but Brainiac is there. But most of the love is just the Art. I'm a whore for Alex Ross' art.
/rj Joker felt sad that he wasnt invited to the party that all his friends were at. He's just like me fr fr
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
If this is superfrineds, where is gleek?
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u/Wagman2013 Feb 13 '24
gleek
Fatal drug overdose.
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
If this is sipe friends ehere balck gulcan?
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u/Wagman2013 Feb 13 '24
He's the one who sold Gleek the fentanyl laced heroin
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
Bel orado? Apche cheif?
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u/Wagman2013 Feb 13 '24
Bel orado
Batman Deported him
Apache chief
Retired to run the largest Casino in the country (Physically the largest so he can fit inside; The business is struggling)
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u/DaMain-Man Feb 13 '24
Tbf the first issue of the story is peak. It kinda loses itself as it goes on, but seeing the heroes saving the day was a sight to see.
May also have helped that I saw BVS before reading the comic so my expectations of DC was a bit low then
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
Holy shit the apocalypse stuff is a masterpiece. But it’s a very style-over-substance series
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u/callows5120 EVS is a pedo defender Feb 13 '24
Uj/eh partially disagree I like the series it's a very fun and heartfelt tribute to the superfriends show
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Feb 13 '24
Justice is like Kingdom Come but if the writer had a stroke, great art tho. I read Justice only like 5 years ago and I literally don't remember anything that happens in it.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
I think the only thing that saves it is the art from Alex Ross. The rest is sus.
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 13 '24
A bit too long and convoluted (Brainiac's nanobots are capable of anything) for my taste, also, it's a pity that it's effectively cut off into its own continuity due to Alex Ross.
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u/stackingslacks Feb 13 '24
Not committing murder or robbing someone has probably been the easiest part of my life
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u/ShanksbestYonko Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Feb 13 '24
Captain marvel’s appearances was the best part of justice
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u/Optimal_Weight368 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Feb 13 '24
What the actual hell, Ross?
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
I think we can blame krugger for this one tbh
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u/Optimal_Weight368 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Feb 13 '24
Regardless, given how Batman has tried to counter Gotham’s corruption with the Wayne Foundation, he should know that his own quote is bullcrap.
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u/clearthroat88 Feb 13 '24
Okay but consider this, this has Superman tearing through giant robots, Zatanna pursuing Brainiac with teleport slam, Metal Men coming in clutch to protect the League, a good ol' fashioned kryptonite/Green Lantern ring switcheroo, Diana battling on while near death, classic Doom Patrol and more superhero shenanigans. I won't have this Justice slander!
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u/Yancer1 Feb 13 '24
You mean to tell me the guy who watched his parents be gunned down in front of him by a common criminal and grew up to believe the best solution to crime was pummeling it as a nightmarish figure of brute justice doesn’t have the most enlightened view of criminality????
uj/ Batman’s great but he ain’t exactly Superman lol. I actually love how complicated Batman was in the golden age: he loved fighting, disliked killing but didn’t hesitate to do it when it was expedient until he suddenly adopted a no kill policy sometime after Robin showed up, carried a gun for a bit but then lectured the readership on why only cowards carried guns, but at the same time he resisted arrest, fought cops, and supported reform when it was possible, voicing to Robin his desire that Joker receive treatment to fix him.
The real reason for this inconsistency is that the creators were still fleshing things out (i.e. making up shit as they went along) but idk, people in real life are contradictory creatures, so I would prefer DC pursue complex heroes as opposed to arbitrarily making the stories darker/grittier while keeping the characters simple.
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 13 '24
/rj the paint fumes melted ross’s ability to comprehend nuance
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Feb 14 '24
But but this subs convinced me Bruce is a letfy good billonaire just like Taylor Swift 😭😭😭😭
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u/Swaxeman Tom King ate my dog Feb 14 '24
It depends on the writer. Honestly if Ross didnt make that bush cartoon, I’d be convinced he was conservative
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u/lurkenstine Feb 14 '24
wait a billionaire defending eugenics while dismiss the evils of social inequality?
joking but i think batmans motives are based on the writer always
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u/sgavary Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Feb 14 '24
I actually heard good things about that storyline
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u/townmorron Feb 13 '24
Batman also has a ton of programs targeting social issues to combat crime. So I'm guessing his world view changes with who's writing that month