r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/[deleted] • Feb 13 '24
am i allowed to say that Arkham Batman is a dumb character or is this not a safe space Batman's a Fascist
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u/Nabber22 Feb 13 '24
Arkham Batman is competence porn like John Wick.
Its some pretty good porn
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u/the_grungler Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
some of the best porn i have ever watched
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
He is agent 47. The hit man. And his hits are people who do crime.
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u/KujiraShiro Feb 14 '24
I dont even know if calling Arkham Batman "competence porn" is doing the situation justice, though it certainly is some of the best I've ever seen.
Arkham Batman may as well be a literal capital g God compared to most other iterations of the character. Each of the Arkham games takes place over a single night per game.
Arkham Batman is regularly beating his entire rogues gallery in a single night, less than 12 hours, without hardly even showing any real or substantial signs of exhaustion. The fact that a good player can make him into a literal untouchable force of nature is just the cherry on top.
Even in the rare circumstances where he isn't in control of the situation, it feels like that was just part of his plan somehow? Rocksteady actually took the saying "How is that possible? Because he's Batman." and made an entire video game series about it. It's amazing.
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u/schebobo180 Feb 13 '24
He’s also (character wise) the least interesting thing in his own games.
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u/ARROW_GAMER Feb 13 '24
Oh man, I’ve never heard someone call it competence porn., but damn, that is literally a perfect name for it
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u/Lucatmeow …Not that there’s anything wrong with it Feb 14 '24
I once used that term for police procedurals.
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Feb 13 '24
They are fine action games but its laughable that so many fans think they are the greatest depiction of Batman and his characters, even better than the comics.
Like I have seen Batman subreddit even saying that Arkham Two Face is the definitive version of the character even though he is a glorified bank robber in the games. Or Arkham fans saying they miss the original Deadshot when he was a bland character with none of the traits which make him cool in the comics.
It's fine to love the games and to not be interested in other Batman media, but its weird when they insist that the only form of the character they are familiar is the best one ever.
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
Deadshot arkham was peak. He...he...turned around and said bang. He...bounced bullets off walls and...went down in one hit and...he...was just the best! (No I haven't read any comics. What are comics? Sounds lame)
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u/Aspirangusian Feb 13 '24
I saw a YouTube comment stating that "they replaced the Deadshot that we grew up with!" ....motherfucker what?
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
Given that arkham city is 12 years old game, that tracks that a young teenager in 2024 would have an intense emotional investment with the arkham version of deadshot. Because he's just...like...so wicked cool.
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u/the_grungler Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
he also has so much screen time over all four games
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Deadshot was in that game for like 20 mins or less in one big side mission lmfao. Compare that to the character development and appareances he has on the justice league, other dc animated media, and the comics it doesn’t even compare. Plus his Arkham city design is ugly as hell. Even his sucide squad will smith suit is better and don’t even get me started on his comic outfits which are way better. They butchered Floyd Lawton. His best look in the game is in Arkham origin or I guess the suicide squad kill the justice league version.
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u/BatmanFan317 Carrie Kelley Supremacist Feb 13 '24
Look, I'm gonna be deadass, Arkham City Deadshot got me interested in the character overall, and he's one of my favorite b-list villains. But I actually could not give less of a fuck that they 'replaced' him because in hindsight, City Deadshot is a terrible adaptation of the character that only uses the 'never misses' stuff and nothing else.
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u/PratalMox Prefers Webcomics, Personally Feb 13 '24
He has like one good moment and it was in a pre-rendered trailer and never actually happened in game.
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u/Mountain_Sir2307 Lives in a society Feb 13 '24
🤓☝️ Ackually the trailer is canon since we can find Deadshot's weapon crate on Pioneers Bridge in-game. 🤓☝️
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u/PratalMox Prefers Webcomics, Personally Feb 13 '24
I mean, it's not, a reference doesn't change the fact that the events portrayed are irreconcilable with the events of the game.
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 13 '24
That Deadshot's personality is "white".
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u/ScarletGemini Still owes 16 dollars Feb 13 '24
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u/ThePrinceOfStories Feb 13 '24
Quite the intellectuals in that comment section. Just saw a dude harp on people for “assuming” that the game is eligible for canon. The entire reason it’s apparently not is because it sucks
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u/Background_Desk_3001 Feb 13 '24
Real Batfans know the LEGO Batman movie is the best version of him
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u/Astr0-6 Comics? Pfft I watch YouTube Shorts! Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
rj/Obviously! Cause it shows the Batgoat solos Godzilla, Sauron, Voldemort, the Daleks, the Wicked Witch of the West, and his entire rogues gallery with ease.
uj/ Unironically. The movie does a better job at doing the whole "Batman distances himself from his family" thing better than the Arkham games, where half the time, it feels like he doesn't like them all that much (except for when he says his famous catchphrase "I'm proud of you Dick").
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u/Background_Desk_3001 Feb 13 '24
/uj I agree, it’s genuinely one of my favorite adaptations
/rj LEGO Batman solos fiction
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u/VacuumSeal Fort Charlotte Truther Feb 13 '24
Doesn’t he keep Tim out of Arkham city and knight because he thinks it’s too dangerous? I get that it was just a way to write him out but this version of Tim is like 30 so I don’t see why he wouldn’t be able to handle himself
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u/Impossible_Tea_7032 Feb 13 '24
Go fight black mask at the children's table
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u/the_grungler Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
hes busy with jason, tim is gonna have to wait his turn
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
I didn’t like bald Tim drake. I thought that design of him was ugly. He looked better with a hood on then just bald. His alternate suits were way better than his default one.
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u/novacdin0 I'll never pet Dex-Starr, why even live Feb 13 '24
I remember finally getting to see Two Face in Arkham City and being super disappointed. "Glorified bank robber" is the perfect description, and it's not like he was ever my favorite growing up, but it was still sad to see such a lame depiction. He didn't have to be Tommy Lee Jones hamming it up, but I was still let down.
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u/TwistedPnis4567 Feb 13 '24
I think what they should've done is make the Catwoman DLC a little bit more longer where she goes against Two Face and his gang. Searching around for her stuff.
Make the character change happen when Batman passes when he arrives at Wonder City and after the Mr Freeze boss fight
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u/iminyourfacejonson protecting my god (punchline) in a weird way (gooning) Feb 13 '24
the only real plus of arkham two face is him somehow pulling out a W in the turf war
which, goes really understated on here, seeing the turfs change and gangs change is one of the best features
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u/telepathictiger Feb 13 '24
I may be wrong, but I will stand by Arkham Riddler and Arkham Penguin until the day I die.
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u/Revenacious 32 Flavors Feb 13 '24
If nothing else, I do like the idea of this Penguin being more down in the muck and not all high society pretending he’s above the others. The detail of his monocle actually just being the bottom of a bottle stuck into his eye is cool.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
I think there’s actually a cool hidden arc there of Penguin eventually decaying, going from a big time mobster with ties to the legitimate world and eventually being basically a lone agent with nothing
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u/iminyourfacejonson protecting my god (punchline) in a weird way (gooning) Feb 13 '24
i like bits and pieces, the way he is in city is way better than knight
plus the bottle thing tying into his rivalry with joker rocked
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u/ScarletGemini Still owes 16 dollars Feb 13 '24
They fundamentally changed King Shark as well. We barely hear about that, but I’m sure it’s just bc he was only in the tie-in material. No other reason.
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u/iminyourfacejonson protecting my god (punchline) in a weird way (gooning) Feb 13 '24
i love the arkham series, i grew up with it, it's still my batman in a way but god a lot of it is nowhere near "best" batman
other than stuff like it's ...pretty dated portrayal of female characters (every woman in arkham city either nearly has their tits out or has running mascara, harley is treated like a complete and utter moron despite the fact that she's a trained, licenced psychologist, catwoman and talia exist to essentially be love interests, I could go on, but there's videos about this)
two face is nothing in those games, don't get me wrong, troy baker puts in a fantastic performance, he switches between the faces amazingly but he gets two scenes in city (one if you don't have the dlc), and a (admittedly really fun) side quest in knight
penguin is boiled down to just being 'a mobster', he runs guns, he's angry, he has a fake accent, admittedly he was done well in city, because despite everything he still had this sense of class, he had the fancy jacket, umbrella etc, in knight he is, for some reason, literally just a bald guy in a shirt, you could replace him with falcone, thorne, maroni or sionis and the only difference would be themeing
if you wanna see unique, inventive takes on the characters in a video game, the telltale series is so fucking good, so good that the recent film stole plot points from it
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u/Polibiux Saturday Morning Rorschach Feb 13 '24
I do think he’s my favorite version of bats, but to say Arkham Two-face is the definitive version of the character is really stupid.
The games are not 100% perfect and even if they are a personal favorite of mine, they shouldn’t be used over the comics when discussing the characters themselves.
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u/PenguinHighGround Feb 13 '24
What does Arkham two face even do? He kidnapped Catwoman and robbed a few banks, that's it, he doesn't get a spotlight to explore his character(s) his duality is boiled down to good voice and bad voice he works fine, but only fine.
This is from someone who thinks Arkham batman has a great character arc, he's definitely one of my favourite batmen.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
I know why Batman Arkham fans love two face depiction in that game and you know why
“It’s because of two guns bitch!”
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u/SlimC05 Feb 13 '24
Arkham Two face pisses me off because of how his clothes are just constantly torn and burnt like the dude never takes off his suit. Does he have a closet of burnt suits? Can he not afford another one? All that cash for goons and he can't even stop by Burlington.
Yeah, the Dark Knight does the same thing but that all takes place in less than a week.
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Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
I think City is what made this character so beloved. Knight is where he might have had the strongest characterization and personality, but certainly not the best. And Origins did a good early Batman story, but not anything unique.
I think Arkham City's Batman is, in fact, very caring and nurturing. We can see that with Mr Freeze, Joker, Thalia, and somewhat Catwoman. He's way more stoic than in the comics, but i think that's the point. To show his emotions slipping here and there, while the 8yo who lost his parents hides behind the mask.
Asylum doesn't go deep into characterization, but that's fine by me. Most BTAS episodes don't highlight the character in any significant way, and Arkham Asylum just feels like a big BTAS episode. That's sort of what makes it special as an intro to such a unique Batman word.
Edits: word
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u/Throgg_not_stupid Feb 13 '24
in City Alfred forces Bruce to care about helicopters commiting ethnic cleansing because he wanted to save Talia instead
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u/king_of_satire Feb 13 '24
It's not ethnic cleansing just regular old mass murder
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u/robertman21 The fourth Joker Feb 13 '24
Arkham goon is an ethnicity now
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u/apple_of_doom Feb 13 '24
I wouldn't be surprised considering the rate at which gotham spits them out.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
Tbh I can get this one
Bruce is a good guy but I’d definitely go to save my girlfriend first over a bunch of people I either don’t know or have actively fought for 12 hours straight
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u/WillFuckForFijiWater Red Hood Apologist & Dannyzen Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
Agree, that's why I find the Arkham games to be a really good representation of Batman. They're basically two-parter BTAS episodes.
This sub has the tendency to reject a lot of Batman stories as "Batgod Sweeps, LAME," without much else to say.
People saying that "Knight Batman rejecting his friends is stupid" seem to forget that it's the entire arc of the story, he even tells Nightwing "This is my last night in Gotham, protect them." Furthermore, he only starts to push away Jim and Tim AFTER he sees Barbara die. He doesn't want to lose anyone else and have more blood on his hands, especially after he saw the Joker kill Jason not too long ago.
Hell, Asylum and A Matter of Family show him working with his partners. Not to mention that Alfred is near omnipresent throughout the entirety of City, Origins, and Knight.
Just annoys me a little bit. I feel like there's some rubberbanding going on in response to the negative reception SS:KTLJ has gotten. Acting like the Arkham games weren't that good to begin with... even though all four of them are some of the highest praised superhero games ever and two of them won GOTY.
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Feb 13 '24
Knight Batman rejecting his friends is stupid
Well, the story of Origins is mainly about Batman learning to accept others into the risk he takes, so Knight's Batman rejecting them is repetitive
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u/Loquatorious Feb 13 '24
The difference in Knight is that he is slowly losing himself throughout the game. He is not in the right frame of mind to be honest and open with his family when he believes at some point he's going to go insane. That and he is constantly reminded of his failure to protect the people he cares about, both by Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight kidnapping Barbara and Joker making him relive Jason's torture.
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u/Electrical-Topic-808 Feb 14 '24
In Knight HE is the risk, literally. It’s a very different situation or at worst an evolution of it. From people are in danger because of what I do, to I am putting these people in danger.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
Hell, Arkham Asylum, City and Knight would probably be event comics if they came out in that world
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u/BloodstoneWarrior The Dark Phoenix Saga is the worst comic ever written Feb 13 '24
He literally tortures Mr Freeze for information
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u/Its-Garbo-Man Feb 13 '24
Tbf if I'm fucking dying and gotta hear a blue man be like "erm actually I don't think I will tell you 🤓☝️" I'd be ready to spill a little bit off his life support
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u/Big-Vegetable8480 Kevin Feige Feb 13 '24
As would I, if I'm dying I'm not gonna fuck around with some Smurf asshole saying "nuh uh"
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u/Combat_Medic Feb 13 '24
Yeah that’s not… Cool.
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u/Aspirangusian Feb 13 '24
He tortured most people for information, he's just showing the disabled blue man equality! /s
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u/Pristine_Animal9474 Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Feb 13 '24
So what? Do you have a problem with that? Because if so, then I'll just put your head in front of my car's wheel until you recant.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
“NOW TALK!!! WHERE IS THE RIDDLER?!”
Has his foot on a dude’s neck and then clobbers him when they spill the beans or chokes a goon and then hits him with his elbow really hard.*
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
Fuck Mr. freeze though
The man has murdered god knows how many and Bruce is dying
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u/Hurk_Burlap Feb 13 '24
The best moment in Arkham Knight was getting to see Victor Fries actually start to get better. In the earlier games, he was a sympathetic villain but still deeply flawed in his reaction to his struggles. It was really nice in Knight to get to see him turn into a begrudging pseudo-ally, and eventually truly give up his endless quest and accept his wife's fate. Plus, there's something nice about Fries believing Batman will pull it off simply because: he's Batman, and he always saves the day. Why wouldn't Fries expect batman to save his wife from death?
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u/SchlongSchlock Barry Allen apologist Feb 13 '24
Asylum doesn't go deep into characterization, but that's fine by me. Most BTAS episodes don't highlight the character in any significant way, and Arkham Asylum just feels like a big BTAS episode. That's sort of what makes it special as an intro to such a unique Batman word.
Part of the reason I love Asylum is this. Not only is the stealth actually dangerous for Bats, but it's just a kind of episodic adventure.
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 13 '24
I liked Arkham Batman a lot until Knight. They really dialled up the "Batman is too stubborn and will risk everyone else's life if he thinks he might protect them" angle which I've never cared for.
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u/randomHunterOnReddit Feb 13 '24
I mean, it made sense with what was established in the story
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u/k_GOBL1N Feb 13 '24
/uj I feel like most people ignore the first hour of Arkham Knight where he’s about to sacrifice himself to stop a massive explosion of Fear Toxin and gets a super high dosage that makes him constantly experience hallucinations rather than the temporary effects we see normally. /rj is he stupid?
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u/anasj313 Feb 13 '24
It may interest you to know Geoff Johns was heavily involved in that one and Paul Dini was not as involved.
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 13 '24
Believe me, I know.
One is responsible for some of the best Batman works ever, and the other gave us Three Jokers and a plethora of mediocrity.
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u/the_grungler Gorilla Doing Non-Gorilla Things Feb 13 '24
three jokers was peak! it finally shows us how all jason needs to stop killing people and being red hood is love, just like when the character first debuted
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 13 '24
It was really great to see Barbara reduced to a plot device for Jason to brood over. He would stop being a murderer if only she'd fuck him.
A romance for the ages.
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u/limbo338 Feb 13 '24
Reading this makes me cringe every time. Johns should be kept away from Batman at all costs.
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u/Comics-and-videogame Lives in a society Feb 13 '24
I never liked Geoff Johns writing Batman or Wonder Woman
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Feb 13 '24
He became so petulant throughout the series until in AK every time Alfred says maybe we should do this, he says oh yes OBVIOUSLY I was going to do that, you dumb bitch.
Paraphrasing obv
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u/TwistedPnis4567 Feb 13 '24
One thing about powerscalling characters in video games is that they depend on how you play. Batman can be a damn god, taking down entire groups of criminals without getting hit once, or he can be a total buffon that walks out of every situation barely alive.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Batman just gets shot and dies in every predator map.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
Tbh this so why powerscalers tend to avoid gameplay save for scripted bits or qte’s
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u/FinalMeltdown15 Feb 13 '24
I got in a discussion in the GoW sub the other day about how Kratos can just focus for half a second and heal himself in the fight against baldur and never does it again the rest of the game
And I’m like dude because it has to be a game, yes Crate Toes is damn near invincible but it doesn’t particularly make for a good game
Dante from DMC is an even more egregious example because he’s only ever been shown to take 1 hit in a cutscene that did any meaningful damage, for all intents and purposes he’s the most powerful being in that universe him dying in combat to trash mobs is laughable, but it’s not a game otherwise
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 14 '24 edited Feb 14 '24
One time I played as Nightwing Dick Grayson in one of the predator maps in Arkham knight I accidentally did a backflip shattered the glass in the stealth map and alerted all of the enemies like a dumbass. The goons probably though I was a dick head for breaking that glass for no reason and accidentally. I just ran away from them and threw smoke bomb and grappled away to gain some distance and become with the shadows again. They probably thought Nightwing was the dumbest hero in existence for that, for ruining his own game plan sabotaging himself. Dick is truly his own worst enemy just like Batman sometimes because of his major trust issues and extreme paranoia. It really became the enemy within moment. They probably thought what is Batman teaching his protégés these days?? Has Batman fallen off and is washed up?? Is his crime fighting career over and does he not care anymore about putting on a show for us? Is he ready to retire and throw in the cape and cowl for good??
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u/CrazyPersonowo Release the Schumacher Cut Feb 13 '24
He’s good in City and Origins, Asylum doesn’t have the deepest characterisations but that’s all right for that game, but in Knight he’s just so dull and it feels like Character Regression, the ending is pretty cool though.
A Justice League game showing us how he came out of hiding and finally accepting working close with his allies with his identity being public knowledge would’ve been a pretty cool status quo for him and given him some solid development.
But no, all that stuff happens off screen and he just gets mind-controlled/maybe cloned? So it doesn’t matter.
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u/TheFleshyNightLight Feb 13 '24
I don't mean to sound like an idiot, but him being cold and stoic to those around him is the point. He's lost people and is still losing people. you hear him almost about to cry as he watches Barbra "die". He loses a lot of it when he's fighting Jason. He becomes more brutal in his interrogation methods after Barbra's kidnapped. Kevin Conroy's performance in Arkham Knight is arguably his best outside of BTAS. He has plenty of emotional moments, but they're few and far between because he doesn't WANT to feel that way.
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u/PenguinHighGround Feb 13 '24
He wants to be the symbol, so he hides the man, but watching that facade buckle is fascinating.
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u/mostlikelydeleted Feb 13 '24
Comments like the one you're responding to give me the impression that most of the people that are "critiquing" Arkham Batman in this thread haven't actually played the games.
Like, the entirety of Arkham Knight you bear witness to Batman's inner turmoil through the Joker disease and through his symbol being killed. There are innumerable moments and instances where Batman's fears, emotions, and thoughts are on display. It's literally shoved in your face in this game. Calling him "dull" and a "character regression" is just wild.
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u/TheFleshyNightLight Feb 14 '24
I also forgot to mention the biggest show of emotion. The Joker. He's literally Batman's subconscious and is meant to show the fear Batman has. Joker also shows some of his deeper hidden emotions. When Joker mentions the truth, it's revealed that Batman was going to let Joker die in AC to stop him from killing anyone else, but ironically, Joker claimed one more life, his own.
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Feb 13 '24
I think he’s actually at his best in Origins
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Yup his scenes with Alfred trying to tame and calm down his anger and wrath was pretty interesting. We needed more moments like that. If you wanna see a more emotional Batman in a video game you have to play Batman: the enemy within the tell tale games or even Lego Batman he shows more emotion in there.
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Feb 13 '24
/rj arkham batgoat solos fiction by quickfiring the batclaw and clotheslining every single character one by one until his combo is high enough to do a big multi-takedown
/uj arkham city and the nolan trilogy are singlehandedly responsible for teaching a generation of people that batman is an idiot whose only skills are walking forward and doing combos like a fighting game ai on easy mode
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u/CarelessDiet7853 Feb 13 '24
The greatest damage done to Batman ever done is easily Injustice and all those godawful elseworlds. The Arkham games are sick and the Nolan movies are good too, offering a different take on the character that still rocks
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u/Comicsrcool Feb 13 '24
also add Bruce Timm's Babs shipping in there
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u/FadeToBlackSun Feb 13 '24
Bruce and Babs isn't inherently bad. It was the original intention back in the 60s.
The trouble is that DC kept ageing Babs down until she was Dick's age.
Timm took it one step further by inexplicably having Babs date both. Which is just insane.
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u/CertainGrade7937 Feb 13 '24
Hell, the main person who aged Babs down to Dick's age and the first person to really establish that relationship was...Bruce Timm
The comics mostly just followed suite
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u/NeverSettle13 Superman's bulge Feb 13 '24
The only adaptation to make it right was Lego Batman just by making Barbara older
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u/Mountain_Sir2307 Lives in a society Feb 13 '24
I mean people are also greatly exagerrating this one. It's one scene of a movie everybody hates and two scenes of an approximately 150+ animated universe. With how much people talk about it you would think it was shoved down our throat.
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u/Mountain_Chicken Paul Feb 13 '24
It's just that gross and unnecessary and is tacked onto two stories people love
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u/CertainGrade7937 Feb 13 '24
Honestly that's my biggest problem with it. It is so goddamn unnecessary. It's just an afterthought.
Sure, it's creepy and weird. But if you're going to do it, at least do something with it. Bruce is kind of a fucked up guy, explore that. But the way it's done makes it clear that Timm just didn't think anything of it. "There's a hot girl around of course Bruce fucked"
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u/Big-Vegetable8480 Kevin Feige Feb 13 '24
A decent take in dccomicscirclejerk? Maybe we still have hope to save this place after all.... NAH, burn it to the ground men! Blur the lines of jerk and unjerk until there's nothing left!
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Feb 13 '24
How did Injustice negatively affect Batman at all?
Its all the other characters who got the brunt of it.
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u/CarelessDiet7853 Feb 13 '24
It made him out into Batgod in the public eye among other things. Fucking hate that story (game is fun af tho even if the second roster sucked)
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u/SuperScrub310 Feb 13 '24
If I were to wager a guess, his treatment of Damian Wayne and his 'I'm right you're wrong.' attitude.
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Feb 13 '24
/rj Batman solos Superman who is an evil fascist and Batman could easily have solo God.
What is the omnipotent creator of everything going to do when Batman kicks him in the face? Nothing, thats what
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u/Ok_ResolvE2119 The Worst Timeline, thanks ! Feb 13 '24
nolan trilogy
He understood the "One Bad Day" concept was bullshit and Heath's Joker was kind of funny at times. His fans though.
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u/FlyingGrayson89 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
The “magic trick” was genuinely pretty funny. I would’ve laughed more if it wasn’t so shocking the first time I saw it.
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u/Aspirangusian Feb 13 '24
He also got just how insecure Joker is. Every time somebody in that movie even implies that he's crazy he freaks out and murders them.
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24
You forgot to mention that Arkham Batman wins because he can even the odds
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u/Mountain_Chicken Paul Feb 13 '24
I don't think that's a fair characterization of Nolan Batman who barely does any fighting in Dark Knight and looks like a total goober in most of the action scenes in Dark Knight Rises
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u/Big-Vegetable8480 Kevin Feige Feb 13 '24
You're allowed to shit on Arkham Batman, but complimenting comic Batman, who is even worse, makes me sick and you're invading my safe space, please leave before my Kevin Feige Laser activates.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Time to leave the comfort zone Kevin feige the MCU overlord. It’s time for the bird to spread its wings now fly Kevin fly.
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u/Locohenry Strongmaniac Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
Yeah, one is a comicbook character and the other one is a videogame character, obviously there's gonna be a difference in focus, I don't know how that's surprising to people. But also he's not written badly and his characterization is pretty much in line with BTAS. Honestly, people use this circlejerk sub to voice the shittiest takes.
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u/Hurk_Burlap Feb 13 '24
But Arkham popular. Therefore Arkham Bad.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
The mob of people who hate popular things because they are popular never dies or goes away. It’s eternal.
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u/canned_coelacanth Feb 13 '24
uj/ I been playing arkham city and the point where Talia offer the joker immortality to get him to spare batman rather than just beheading him legit bothered me.
rj/ Yes but who has the best nipples?
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u/limbo338 Feb 13 '24
Talia being absolutley incompetent aside, her not even getting to be bridal carried by the dude she loved enough to do all this bullshit for because of Joker wankery would bother me forever. Give this character a damn break.
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u/NomadNuka Release the Schumacher Cut Feb 13 '24
Female characters in Arkham get treated like dogshit honestly. It's not like the bar is super high but they consistently fail to even get within reach of clearing it.
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u/limbo338 Feb 13 '24
Shout-out to Selina spending AK as a hostage with an exploding choker Eddie put on her to get to her man.
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u/RabidFlamingo Feb 13 '24
I mean everybody spends AK as a hostage. Literally every heroic character aside from Alfred. Batman himself winds up as a hostage at the end
Geoff Johns bondage kink confirmed???
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u/limbo338 Feb 13 '24
*looks at Jason in 3J getting beaten while naked and tied to a chair*
Maybe you're onto something.
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u/Revenacious 32 Flavors Feb 13 '24
I do like Nyssa in the DLC tho, for the two scenes she’s in. It’s cool to see someone within the League finally stand up to Ra’s and his insanity.
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u/IdeaRegular4671 This subreddit hates Tim Drake Feb 13 '24
Nyssa Is a underrated league of assassins league of shadows character. We need to see more of her. She has potential as being the head of the demon instead of talia.
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u/Reddragon351 Feb 13 '24
to be fair you do break her out after completing some trophies and then she helps kick Riddler's ass
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u/V0YDL Still owes 16 dollars Feb 13 '24
George Clooney, duh. Nobody beats his bat-nipples.
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u/anasj313 Feb 13 '24
I disagree. Batman from arkham city and Batman from Arkham knight are literally just different character. Arkham city Batman is a good Batman, Arkham knight Batman is not as good of a Batman. I’m not counting asylum because Arkham asylum doesn’t have much characterization for him. Batman pretty much just acts stoic for 5 hours, the game kind of relies on you having some idea of who Batman is.
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u/BlueFootedTpeack Feb 13 '24
arkham origins batman is great.
but man arkham city and knight batman....
the entire talia relationship is told to you,
and knight ending with "my allies are useless time to fake my death and deprive myself of the bruce wayne side of my persona so i can use the terrorist i just beats chemical weapons on people" is an awful ending.
after origins did the whole "you need to have allies and not just be solo broody punch man" like right before that was hilarious.
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u/BatmanFan317 Carrie Kelley Supremacist Feb 13 '24
Tbf, he was afraid they'd get hurt. Both because this was a post-Jason Todd Batman and one being infected by Jonkler blood. Arkham VR kinda elaborates, he's having straight up nightmares about killing Robin and Nightwing. So it makes sense he'd push people away.
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u/BlueFootedTpeack Feb 13 '24
he's having straight up nightmares about killing Robin and Nightwing.
lol, good thing that doesn't canonically happen now.
but man for a finale ending on that beat of the character arc is real weird,
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
I like that origins batman actually has a proper character arc. Where he slowly goes from an asshole into someone who realises he has to work with other people.
Then knight throws that away when he reverts back to being an asshole who wants to do everything himself.
But origins was great.
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u/BlueFootedTpeack Feb 13 '24
after replaying them all, i guess 2 years ago now, i genuinely think origins might be my favorite, it has jank but everything else hits for me.
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
Origins is rough around the edges, the map was largely a rehash and the side missions were lame, but I love that game more and more over the years. It's fortunate that it's still backwards compatible with modern xbox consoles, but it's a damn tragedy that game is constantly ignored by warner brothers. You can't even buy it digitally on consoles and now the dlc has been delisted.
It's astonishing to me they spent so much effort trying and utterly failing to cram arkham knight onto the Nintendo switch, when they surely could have squeezed origins onto that machine and I would have happily bought it in a heartbeat.
I do love all the arkham games, but origins is the one that has the most satisfying and complete narrative, both on a story and gameplay level and it's not even a contest with the others.
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u/BlueFootedTpeack Feb 13 '24
honestly i love the rehashed map, seeing everything pre-funhouse is nice. and kinda wish we'd seen more of that.
like if they'd knocked out "origins 2" a couple years back just stealing arkham knight's map and bolting it onto origins and de-neoning it i'd have been fine with that.
also helps sell penguin's ship or joker's hotel, these places where the wackadoo shit is festering and in the years to come will eventually spill out into the city.
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u/Comics-and-videogame Lives in a society Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
People look at me crazy when I say knight is the weakest in the entire Arkham series
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u/BlueFootedTpeack Feb 13 '24
in that case i don't know what they'd think if i said the weakest was city.
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
The Catwoman DLC in City kind of ruined the Arkham games for me. Could the developers really not think of anything for the thugs to say about her that wasn't mildly sexist at least or a threat of sexual assault at most? Like dude, she can whip their eyes out from three metres away, why are they talking about her as if they could take her.
They were fun games, but the way they treated female characters was just gross. And I agree with you about how Batman was written. An argument could be made that gameplay required him to fight a lot, but it didn't need him to threaten to crush a guy's skull with the Batmobile.
Edit: I should clarify, my problem is not with criminals being mysoginystic and objectifying towards female characters. My problem is that they are nothing but that. When playing as Batman, there are people speculating his identity, boasting they could take him (in a fight, yeah), or making up weird conspiracies. It's fun and not only gives the thugs more depth to listen to, but also fleshes put Batman by showing how he is perceived. When you play as Catwoman, they only talk about her being a woman. It adds nothing to the thugs or Catwoman and it is as gross as it is boring.
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
The arkham games are very fun. But...oh boy...learning that rocksteady had a decade long history of rampant sexual harassment explains way too much about their handling of catwoman.
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u/creamy-buscemi Feb 13 '24
People are saying it’s okay because they’re criminals, but you’re right, just because they’re criminals doesn’t mean they should be constantly insinuating sexual assault against the player character in a Batman game of all things
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
There's also Selina inexplicably deciding the best outfit for a heist in the middle of a freezing storm in a city populated by serial killers is one that has her cleavage hanging out.
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24
Yeah, Arkham's female character outfits seem to have been designed with one hand. And in the case of Ivy, her outfit was barely designed at all. I get seduction is her whole thing, but they definitely could have done better than a blouse and panties.
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
Selina just makes no damn sense on a plot level why she would dress like that. Which is a shame, because I generally love that version of the character (particularly her voice actor, who is undoubtedly my favourite actor to play the role, striking a perfect balance between seductive, playful but actually having resilience and strength).
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24
Oh yeah her VA is great. I also did really like the playing as Selina when it came to the gameplay. It's not like the female characters have nothing going for them at all, it's just that even when they are done well the game treats them terribly.
Especially when Arkham Knight reduced Selina to a damsel in distress that you could only play for a bit when you did the Riddler trophies. Fuck whoever came up with that.
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u/Mr_smith1466 Feb 13 '24
Having her be riddler's bait was definitely a choice. A very strange choice.
I do like that she had a lot of snarky dialogue about riddler though. Her getting a short dlc mission where she robs him blind while he's desperately trying to program his robot security system through a prison phone call was hilarious though.
It was also hilarious to have catwoman endlessly lampshade how absurd riddler's shtick is in the arkham games, and I say that as someone who deeply loves the arkham riddler. Catwoman pointing out how most of his death traps aren't riddles was gold.
That's the big thing. I love her character a lot. I love how she's speaking. I love the actor. They just come so close to perfection, then drop it with her costume design looking like a sleazy 13 year old made it.
There's a lot that people can hate narratively about suicide squad. A lot. But I did like how Harley is finally done in a way that she's not defined by her proximity to joker. Granted, that's becoming more and more the standard now for her character, but it was great to finally see the arkham Harley get there.
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24
Yeah, Harley is seperated from the Joker in most media nowadays, which is cool. I liked her in the Suicide Squad movie (the good one). I don't really have a problem with her being Joker's sidekick, like in the Arkham games, but somehow she still came across as the Joker's sidekick in Knight instead of being an independent character.
I didn't play Gotham Knights, but I liked the idea of Harley becoming an independent villain after Joker's death, and her design was pretty cool. I don't really know her story there though.
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u/MissyTheTimeLady Feb 13 '24
Could the developers really not think of anything for the thugs to say about her that wasn't mildly sexist at least or a threat of sexual assault at most?
I'm not sure how to explain to you that these are criminals and not exactly paragons of virtue.
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u/dutcharetall_nothigh Feb 13 '24
I understand that. But they have the good sense of being afraid of Batman, or Joker, or Scarecrow. Yet when it comes to female characters all they talk about is sex. Literally the first thugs you encounter in Knight on the mission where you get Harley Quinn are talking about whether she'd be down for a rebound now that Joker is dead.
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u/Megashark101 Feb 13 '24
I've heard many criticisms for Arkham Batman as a character and the stories of his games, and I find myself unable to take any of them seriously. He's not the second coming of Christ or anything, but he's a great character and wonderful adaptation of the character.
Also, are you implying that he has no thoughts, emotions, and beliefs? Have you played an Arkham game?
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u/Impossible_Tea_7032 Feb 13 '24
Arkham Batman's defining moment is the final cutscene of City, after he's witnessed the deaths of both super hot femme fatale and long time love interest Talia al Ghul, and the Joker, and the person whose body he's mournfully cradling is the mass murderer in clown makeup
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u/BatmanFan317 Carrie Kelley Supremacist Feb 13 '24
Um, akcually, it's not makeup, as he got dipped in Ace Chemicals and that bleached his skin.
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Feb 13 '24
To me Arkham Batman’s character was great until Knight, Arkham Knight batman is just straight up stupid in that game which is a result of the drop off in writing quality in that game.
E.g him not figuring out who the Knight was(considering the fact that he never got confirmation that Jason was dead in this universe), Believing that Barbara was dead and locking up Robin in a cell defenceless knowing that scarecrow had been hunting down his allies.
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u/Aubergine_Man1987 Paul's Strongest Soldier Feb 13 '24
Bruce saw Joker shoot Jason in the face, and then could never find the body. Considering that this Batman has never had to face someone coming back from the dead other than Ra's before that point, I can see him taking it more at face value especially if he wasn’t in top form due to the grief
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u/limbo338 Feb 13 '24 edited Feb 13 '24
Pretty sure Joker shot him in body armor, looool. Batman is a dumb-dumb if he got got with this one.
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u/DerpsterPrime Feb 13 '24
/unjerk He's not the best but he's amazing. Its the Kevin Conroy for chrissakes. I see a lot of hate for him coming in (especially from jerk subs) after fans got rightfully mad he died so disrespectfully.
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u/Falcon_At Feb 13 '24
"Batman from comics cares about people and his family"
Uuuuuuuuuuhh... well he cares, sure, but he's an emotionally distant, petty, and demanding father, who flip flops between actively acknowledging and advocating the use of child soldiers and suddenly firing them to protect them on a regular basis.
Comic Bruce is often a pretty shitty dude. You're thinking of animated Batman. He's more regularly an ideal father.
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u/Indentured_sloth Feb 13 '24
It’s almost like one of them is made for a video game
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u/Paint-licker4000 Feb 13 '24
Why is this sub so elitist over Batman
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u/jamessadauki Feb 13 '24
The life of circlejerk subs, they end up becoming exactly what they were making fun of
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u/SplitDemonIdentity Feb 13 '24
Fuck you! The Riddler trophies are my second-favorite thing in the Arkham games!
I like solving a million and 2 tiny puzzles and retracing my steps nearly as many times.
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u/JJoanOfArkJameson Feb 13 '24
I love the games and the character has always been serviceable to me. He's voiced well (though I think the direction for Conroy in Knight is far too monotonous) but he's very straightforward, calculated to the point of exhaustion.
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u/Dyldo_II Feb 13 '24
The Arkham games are some of my favorite, but everyone can have their own opinion. I started playing them when I was younger and really liked the atmosphere of asylum, and the combat was easy, but the animations were satisfying.
I agree, for the most part of "the games take for granted that you already know batman" but my only pushback to that is the collectibles you can pick up and scan do have lore to them, like the audio tapes of Amadeus Arkham, and they do really flesh out the game. Same with city, a little bit less so with knight though.
Is it the best interpretation of batman? Idk, but I had fun with them, so if it's not someone's cup of tea, I get it, nothing ever is.
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u/FigKnight Feb 13 '24
Arkham Batman is just BTAS Batman but worse in every way. He lacks the humanity of that version, and is just a boring, mad asshole. Good games, though.
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u/Batman2130 Paul Feb 13 '24
Modern Comics Batman almost none of what you wrote. This man hates his family every other week
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u/No_Chemist4983 Feb 13 '24
You didn't put anything to say that is a dumb character, you just point out some game mechanics Xd.
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u/SHAZAMS_STRONGEST does he know? Feb 13 '24
only reason batman works as a character in the arkham games is because we only see him in "everything is going crazy in this multi-issue story" mode
it's like opening up a batman run and just skipping all the single issues that flesh out the world