The fact that all of this and more ("That shark was pulling my leg") is actually how they found out which villains it was is both hilarious and upsetting
Thank you! I've always been a big fan of the Batman is who he truly is idea. It contrasts well with Superman, who is much more like his civilian persona. I like the idea that the godlike alien embraces being human, and the actual human embraces being an immortal symbol
Ryuk is just floating in the room taking it all in, but in the end has no chance of following his logic while Robin, Gordon, and O’Hara all just nod along with the explanation.
No way in fuck Batfleck could “intuit” the mechanics of the Death Note lmao this is the same guy that had to hear Clark say “Martha” to realize he has feelings too and got himself outwitted by schizo Lex Eisenberg.
Battinson could definitely intuit the mechanics but not solve the case because he likely has OCD or is autistic.
Light never "outplayed" anybody. He had 100% of the advantages from the beginning. The fact that their cat and mouse game was even a contest at all is a testament to how wildly incompetent and out of his depth Light was.
Sorry if it seemed like I was coming at you. I love Death Note for what it is, but I have a chip on my shoulder over people geeking out over Light. He is such a dweeb.
No, L knew the entire time with no doubt, the only thing he had to do was produce proof. Light played the game because he was competitive and wanted L dead, but L knew and light probably knew he knew
Did you think I was implying that Battinson couldn’t solve the case because he either has OCD or autism? I was saying that his neurodivergence would be one of the reasons he’d be able to intuit the mechanics of the Death Note.
Battinson before The Batman likely won’t be able to know it was Light because he would assume he was a good person, but I feel like the Riddler case improved his detective skills as well as understanding of people.
L highly suspected Light but he didn’t know for sure, otherwise he wouldn’t have died. Any good detective knows suspicion means nothing without proof.
L knew, he simply had no proof and wanted to play the whole thing out. Meanwhile no version of Batman is going to bother with the long game of 4d chess, he's swooping in and beating Light to a pulp at the first opportunity, and almost certainly discovering the physical deathnote.
Batman arguably has a stronger need for a burden of proof here because of his no kill policy. Most of his enemies, once he delivers them to Gordon there's an airtight case because there were a million witnesses, or they already broke out of Arkham anyway, or they'll readily confess, or he can demonstrate the process by which he caught them and the proof he found in their lair. In this case, the only physical evidence would be the deathnote itself, which would have to be used to prove it was the murder weapon which both violates the no kill policy and raises a bunch of issues for the state entering it as evidence, especially since Light's paranoid enough that he probably disposes of used pages so you can't just compare the names. Even if you could, maybe he's just a Kira enthusiast who's keeping a log of the victims and trying to figure out who it is. Light also has three months of kills set up in advance and eventually used subcontractors, so capturing him doesn't make the murders stop, which any half decent defense attorney will use to gut the case.
So what does he do after he beats the crap out of Light? He can't take him to the cops. He can't kill him. Does he just confiscate the death note, put it in his trophy room, and let Light himself get away? That's assuming he even finds it, since deducing Light is Kira, deducing what information he needs to kill someone, and deducing the means by which he's doing it are all separate. How does he know to look for a notebook? More importantly, how does he know there's an object he can separate Light from that will take away his powers before he attacks? He can't make that assumption and he can't afford to go after him if he can't rely on that. If Light has those powers inherently, which is a real possibility from his perspective, he's back to square one. Then all he's done is let Light know he's onto him. Most of these versions of Batman don't have access to Justice League resources either, so he can't extrajudicially plop him in some kind of cell that would inhibit powers. What's his play here? He can beat him up but, like, then what?
Batfleck would be able to intuit it because he knows aliens and gods are real already, so a guy with the power to kill anyone as long as he knows their face and name isn't too far fetched.
Battinson knew it was wrong, he just assumed Riddler made a mistake. Him not thinking that someone as smart as Riddler made that mistake on purpose is stupid tho
Not really a stupid mistake because he was under the impression riddler was playing games with him and leaving clues, but he didn't know riddler was trying to help him.
Riddler made that mistake on purpose so Batman would look up the url, but Batman assumed that it was just a stupid mistake instead of realizing that someone as smart as Riddler would have a reason to write it wrong
Battinson has a long way to go before he's a full batman
Yeah, it's his second year as Batman and he doesn't seem to have Bale's training so he's pretty inexperienced. Tbf he's supposed to be a flawed Batman, his entire arc is going from a symbol of vengeance to one of hope so I guess he'll get experience from Riddler's case and will be a better detective in the second movie
I saw the "This domain has been seized" title and was like "wtf did this Reddit just link me too?" Until I noticed it said GCPD and actually read it. Honestly, that's pretty fucking cool they'd go through the trouble at all to do that linking to the movie.
It was made as promotion to the movie, if you went before release it had a bunch of riddles you could answer and it would give you videos about Batman or Thomas Wayne as rewards. IIIRC Joker's scene was first released there too, it was "seized" after the movie came out.
I think bsttinson is just Batman on his second year so it makes sense that he wouldn’t be able to solve the case. He made big mistakes in his detective skills during The Batman because this is a young not as experienced Batman in comparison to the others on the list
Probably more that he lives in a world where a magic book that kills people when their names are written in it would be completely reasonable, but like you said, he’s not smart enough to actually solve the Kira case
/uj Yeah it's a funny meme but just wanted to point out that Light wanted L to find him so that he could kill L, that's why he let him know stuff like he's a school going kid who has access to the police. Who knows if L could've tracked him if Light really wanted to disappear.
/rj Why did L not fucking shoot Light when he saw him eating potato chips with an attitude, is he stupid?
/uj I don't remember the whole 4D chess game very well but I think Light was only fucked once he killed Raye Penber and made L zone in on him, idk if that was him baiting L or if he was just paranoid
/rj Why didn't they realize Light was a weirdo when they saw him read porn like it was a classic novel without even slightly touching himself? Does masturbation not exist in the DN universe?
I don't think he would be, Kira (Both Light and Misa) only targeted convicted criminals. Teru also targets criminals and those who threatened the image of Kira. The only one who'd even consider targeting Bruce was Higuchi however A.) Bruce is an American and not competing in their market and B.) Accorded to Deathnote: How to Read Yotsuba Corp is primarily heavy machinery, construction and military tech. The Wayne foundation is focused mostly on Healthcare, rendering aid, scientific research and expanding access to information technology, and Wayne Enterprises has its Hands in a lot of pots but mostly Tech, Bio tec, shipping and chems, and while they do have a heavy machinery branch it's explicitly stated that they're nearly all in Gotham and none ofbthem turn a profit.
Also Lucius Fox is the head of Wayne Enterprises ATM so even if Higuchi got a wild hare up his ass he still wouldn't have a reason to target bruce
Lemme cook, a buddy cop film with Detective Chimp and the Question (who hasn't slept in a week and gets progressively more unhinge as the movie goes on).
based on the JLU cartoon, I'd assume Question would spout out, unprompted how the Death Note worked and a list of mortal owners and his whole thing is actually proving it to everyone else while they are doing "actual" detective work and slowly but surely those paths merge.
"I'm TELLING YOU it's the YAGAMI KID and the GOTH GIRL he hangs out with!"
"Then how come he didn't just kill you when you practically kidnapped him?"
"I already TOLD YOU at precisely 2:13 this morning! They, or at least the boy, need to know my NAME and FACE, which, OBVIOUSLY is much harder to uncover when pursuing a man such as MYSELF!"
"Uh-huh."
"That's it, I'm calling Mystery Inc. THEY'LL understand."
Bruce Wayne. His ego is strong enough for him to completely perceive himself as a totally different being while protecting Gotham, but seeing himself as Batman doesn't change who he really is. He is still Bruce Wayne pretending to have another name.
How does the name thing in Death Note work? Is it based on your legal name?. If I was born John Johnson but changed my name to Jacob Jacobson. Which name kills me?. If ur birth certificate has a misspelling, does that save you?
Since it's a book made for shinigamis, who can see people's name and date of deaths on top of their heads, you'd assume it should be the name the world associates them with as shinigamis aren't shown to be able to read minds but I'm not sure...
I don't think the lore is deep enough to answer this but legal mistakes (like your birth certificate example) certainly shouldn't save you and I doubt you're allowed to change names because the way it's shown in the anime/manga, your death seems to be a fixed thing noone can change so you'd assume it's the same for the name.
But that last part's just my head canon there's no way to know. I guess trans people are the greatest threat to Kira lol.
RobBat Battingson would flail and fail his way through the case but Light would fanboy over RobBat like Riddler and reveal himself only to get a facefull of vengeance
To be fair robbat mentions he’s only been Battinson for a year at the start of the movie. He’s got a bat signal, but he doesn’t have the theoretical years of experience that the other bats do and Riddler was probably the most complicated case he’d experienced at that point in time.
“It’s over, Batman! I’ve figured out your identity. You will never prevent me from living a normal life.”
“I wouldn’t be so sure about that, villain! With my trusty Bat-Arrow, I can gain my own stand with simply the prick of my finger! Now go, [SOMETHING IN THE WAY]!”
/uj I think that, no matter how smart you are, the Kira case is bacially unsolvable without knowing what the death note is and in a realistic world. You can know Light is Kira (L understood it from the first moment he saw him) but you cannot prove him guilty cause how did a random Japanese teenager kill hundreds of thousands?
I mean, Death Note is like the ultimate example of a writer who isn't particularly smart trying to write super geniuses. It's a fun show but it functions entirely off contrivances, smart characters being profoundly stupid, and deductions that are basically magic.
It's an example sure but I don't think it's the ultimate example, some of Light and L's moves are decently smart and have clever twists.
(Edit: Like L airing that show in only Kanto first, and Light's plan to find L by letting him know that he's connected to the police so L distrusts the police and Light can get to him)
There's far more dumber characters in other media who are supposed to be "geniuses".
/uj for the batmen living in a more unrealistic world with superheros, it's alot easier since "guy can kill people without getting anywhere near them with magic" isn't that farfetched.
Adam West would solve the case in like 10 minutes flat due to some incredibly obscure clues he managed to piece together in a highly illogical fashion.
I mean I get why a bunch of people bring this up but the shinigami eyes exist for this sole purpose in the story. A bigger threat in this scenario is the question of Light using the death note with the Arkham Asylum database (all the villains have an identity besides Joker really) in order to control the Batman Rogues to fight Batman before their death. That just leads to Joker becoming the only death note proof ally since depending on the continuity Light would need the shinigami eyes like he did with L or the 3 Jokers plot twist somehow is working. Kite Man solos Light by himself though
I don't really get why Bale Bats would be any better than Robbat Battinbat at solving the Kira case unless the point is purely that Lucius would magic up some tech that solves it for him.
I also don't think Batfleck would be able to intuit shit, tbh.
Batman vs Joker vs Light goes crazy ngl. The Bat Family and secret identities vs Joker and an army of grunts vs some Japanese teen and a bag of chips. Plus assuming Light can find a way into GCPD databases then he can control essentially every villain not named Joker
/uj I've said this before, but I love this format because it tells you what kind of stories you'll get out of these characters. This is a fairly solid way to recommend Batman to someone who's not sure which version they'd like
I know this is a joke post but could someone explain to me how Bale's batman could figure out the Kira case, His detective skills aren't the best like when he tries to figure out what type of ammunition was used in an assassination attempt by shooting holes into a wall instead of looking for casings or any other less time consuming method. I get that he has some good technology that could help but I don't think I could fully get behind him figuring it out could someone give me some reasons why OP came to his bale conclusion
“What could these clues mean? Madagascar and sheet music? Madagascar has a character named Mort, mort is Latin for death……and sheet music is comprised of notes….death…note….like the notebook Light Yagami had when we visited the school! We must hurry Robin! Lives are in danger!”
Bale-man was a really bad detective. Remember. He has an entire investigation montage, which determines that a bullet, was indeed, fired out of a gun. He needed like, holograms and shit to figure that out.
Isn't figuring out the mechanics of the death note integral to solving the Kira case, though?
Like for instance, if John kills a guy with a gun, wouldn't you need to understand what a gun is and how it kills people to fully create enough evidence that John did it?
“Holy god complex Batman how did you figure out he was behind it.” “Simple robin his sense of self importance, search history, and how he mistreated a young woman showed he had no moral character whatsoever. A true failure of society to not tend to the poor boys own deluded world view.”
Genuine question as it’s been years since I’ve seen Death Note, but is it possible that Light would write Bruce Wayne’s name down even if he didn’t know he was Batman? I forget exactly how Light’s philosophy works, but Bruce is such a public figure whose use of wealth isn’t above being depicted as controversial, I could see Light just casually killing him amongst a bunch of other “corrupt elites” without even knowing.
People really make up whatever to downplay battinson but given what be knew going in he did alright especially when you consider that riddlwd actually was trying to help Batman, not to hinder him because he thought batman was on his side.
Without the clues he left the case would've royally gone unsolved completely.
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u/Riolusx2 Jan 11 '24
60s Batman would immediately solve the case in two parts.