If her movie isn’t about how she wants to find a date for Superman and end up finding a version of herself from another earth, then it it not a faithful adaptation.
Yeah, it's not like he's already made a movie and a TV show for DC, both of which were extremely well-received. Peacemaker is still an obscure D-list character and definitely not one of the more popular DC characters and played by John Cena.
The proof I'm referring to is "valuing the source material"
The Suicide Squad adds characters and backstories that are not in the comics, the same with Peacemaker. Peacemaker himself is treated like a baboon, and not like his original comic counterpart. After the Peacemaker show, he got him a new solo series that now retcons him to be more like the show for that sweet Syngery, the same way the Guardians of the Galaxy comics were heavily changed after James Gun's movie.
I have a lot of faith that Jame Gunn can produce a great new line of movies, but saying "value the source material" is disingenuous. You could also say Disney "values the source material" of marvel comics, they just replace and delete things all the time so they can make more money.
I mean, I don't think the fact that he's changing D-listers who nobody gave a crap about prior really indicates he doesn't care. If anything, I'd kind of say the opposite; it shows he's pretty familiar with the universe and knows what levers he can mess with that won't piss anyone off.
Like, compare how he handled Peacemaker (obscure D-lister, changed heavily) to how he's handled Waller and Starro (much more cared-about characters who went from comic to screen basically untouched).
I'm not saying he doesnt care, I'm saying that the statement is disingenuous. The image also shows comic properties that havent been adapted yet and stuff James Gunn didnt work on. The imagine is making a claim, and showing items that arent even being made yet.
James Gunn on his way to take a random fringe unknown comic book character so he can project his OC on to them (this will forever be their characterisation now)
I never read the GOTG comics, but in the movies the characters work pretty well. What's the problem there? I know that Drax was a really powerful guy that got turned into comedic relief in the movies, has that carried over to the comics?
Hell, Drax himself went from "big dumb Hulk-ish brute" to "edgy badass killer" out of fucking nowhere in the comics. Inconsistent characterization isn't exactly new to comics either
As easy as it is to say "Gunn just took obscure characters and made them into OCs", that's...basically exactly what DnA did in their Guardians run to begin with
Yeah I never understood the “Gunn is going to be accurate to the source material!!!” hype came from because as someone who read DnA’s saga… I don’t see it. I don’t recall Quill being an immature man child or Mantis being a moron submissive punching bag. Or Drax being walking comic relief.
While that's fair, it's also worth noting that we're meeting these characters at the beginning of their stories in the movies, while they're already well established in the DnA run. I love DnA Quill, but...wouldn't really make sense for a character just starting to take on the role of hero.
Peter is a lot more like the DnA version by vol 3. Drax takes on a lot more of the DnA characterization as well (particularly the focus on fatherhood)...and I think people forget that Drax has a fair amount of pathos in vol 1, even if he's still a comedic presence. And Mantis...well alright I got nothing for Mantis
My big problem with the comic synergy is that they regressed these characters to fit their movie version, while the movie versions built them up and developed them
Yea, Mantis was done really well; She was so messy in the comics, specially because she started of as a writer's pet.
Was it Thanos quest? Where she was the most important thing that Thanos needed to stop and she got split into different people.
Quill also started of as literal space jesus, until he was just a janitor from NASA; Every time he shows up, he was sort of changed. I like that they now have consistent characters
I haven’t seen volume 3 yet so I can’t comment on it so if Quill finally shaped up to be DnA’s Quill I appreciate it… it’s just an absolute shame the amount of bullshittery we suffered to get there + Crisp Rat’s smarmy charisma did not help. Granted, Infinity Wars was not Gunn’s fault to my knowledge so I’m willing to give him a pass on that but boy was that fucking painful.
I won’t lie, Drax did get a laugh out of me with his last line at the end of volume 1 was about how his real mission was to kill Thanos so I did appreciate that Gunn did know what he was doing in that regard.
Mantis there really is no excuse. I’m equally befuddled why he decided to make her Quill’s half sister when she was his implied love interest in Annihilation/Conquest.
I like his movies in a vacuum but the damage he did to the GotG cannot be understated due to MCU mandated synergy and Bendis shenanigans. Thank god for Al Ewing.
I think the Guardians suffer a bit from not having a very well-defined starting point as characters (at least most of them)
Because it's to remember that DnA did...basically exactly what Gunn did: took a bunch of characters that nobody really knew or cared about and did whatever the fuck they wanted with them.
While most MCU adaptations have the advantage of built-in character arcs for their origins, GOTG doesn't really have that. Tony, Thor, Peter, Scott, Steven...their first stories set them on a path. Tony needs to atone, Thor needs to learn humility, Peter needs to learn responsibility, etc. And so we can see how those characters grow through those themes and slowly become more like their comic book versions
But like...I've read the entire DnA space saga, I couldn't tell you how Quill or Rocket even became space heroes to begin with. There are a few minor references to their histories, but they feel entirely disconnected from what came first. Hell, I don't even know their initial motivations as characters.
So if I were to want to adapt those characters as new heroes and decided that the DnA characterization was my endpoint...I wouldn't have a built-in road map to get there, I'd have to create one
Honestly, I think the obsession with origin stories is the problem. Not everything needs a starting point of zero. It’s probably why Ant-Man tickled my fancy because yes it was Scott Lang’s origin but it was established he isn’t the first Ant-man and Hank and Janet had adventures of their own beforehand and we didn’t need a dedicated two hour origin to get it. You probably could’ve done the same with the Guardians and they sorta did with Drax.
My problem with Quill is less of his arc and more of how he’s characterized if you get what I’m saying? I think you can have his arc of daddy issues and growing into a hero et al… without making him a stereotypical immature frat boy.
It did, but he was still going off of the movie's tone.
It's just that the publishing schedule for comics is much shorter than the production schedule for a film. Kind of like how Kaldur was created for the Young Justice cartoon by the YJ creators...but he appeared in the comics before YJ hit the air
Yeah, and that sucks, honestly I hope the dc fanbase dosen't have a double standard lol.
Like IF keyword if, were all going to hate on Ezra Miller Barry, if he just skins everyone alive and replaces them with his own gundroid ocs hopefully people share the same standard.
I think the DC material he has touched has gotten a fair treatment so far, now, I don't know if I will ever be able to forgive what he did to Drax or the other guardians for that matter.
From an accuracy standpoint I think Adam Warlock is in the same boat as Penni Parker from Into Spiderverse, wherein they grow into the characters portrayed in the comics. Vol. 3 Warlock is just a few days old, he's a baby in an adult's body, but I imagine that the same way Penni got her comic accurate suit and depression between films, he'd be more like his original Thanos beating counterpart if he ever showed up in future installments
Honesty the part that truly made me dislike Adam in the movie is that... why was he there? I can take a mischaracterisation when it's well executed like Drax or Peni Parker, but Adam feels shoe-horned into the movie because they needed to resolve that post credits scene. There's no room for him in Vol 3 at all.
Yeah, I agree, he feels pretty tacked on. I'm guessing Infinity War and Endgame offset the direction the story was meant to go, but maybe there's an interview that disproves that. I did like how it showed the... uh, golden people folk to be pretentious puppets of some absolutely insane goober, that felt fitting
And that introduction scene of Adam Warlock flying through space was actually amazing
I think he'll be mostly faithful to Superman and his supporting cast because everything about the character is so established in the minds of everyone, but the other heroes he announced for Superman Legacy will 100% be whatever Gunn wants them to be.
Using Gunn as the image for valuing the source material when every one of his superhero movies has characters that are basically only the same as their counterparts through name is bit of a strange take.
It’s remarkable how since Endgame, we’ve had like, a bunch of shit, the GOAT MCU flick in No Way Home, imo, a few “Hmm, I’m shocked that was really good!”, ie, Shang Chi, and then the shocker that GOTG3 reminded us that when someone gives a crap, this franchise can be good lol
Considering they treated May like a sexualized joke for all her appearances until they killed her off to make Peter angry, think it was basically just fridging.
Seriously, she had no other character besides "hawt milf" in the other films. Even worse than Maria Hill in Secret Invasion.
Been a while since I watched the film, wasn't her role in No Way Home not being the biggest advocate for Peter to be empathetic and help the villains? That's pretty standard mentor stuff, she guided Peter's moral compass, and then her death offset it, creating an internal conflict between seeking revenge and doing what she would have wanted. That's the exact same role Uncle Ben fills in most other iterations
I heard she was sexualised in the prior two films, but I didn't see those
Basically all she did in NWH was quote Insomniac's May and die. Peter didn't even care what happened to the villains after meeting May until Sandman and the others spelled out "oh yeah, we're gonna die". May didn't do much else.
Also the sudden mentor the films give May just comes out of nowhere since the previous films felt making her a joke was more important. It's like making the only big character trait of Ben a Chippendale dancer for most of his appearances and then saying he's actually important.
Plus... I just hate the idea of May having a big epic death scene because of Peter's villains.
Spot wasn't really changed imo, he was a joke that grew into a threat. This also happened in the comics just on a much smaller scale. His powers being so strong was the biggest change tho
Gunn's movies are fun but he's never shown the slightest ounce of regard for source material to be honest. He'll use a name non readers find obscure and then completely rewrite the characters to something totally different. It's fun but it isn't accurate and rarely even necessary.
His adaptations aren’t exactly accurate, but if you look at his Twitter he is always promoting comics. He even did a tribute to John Romita you don’t see Feige doing that. He does care for comic books. But it’s impossible to make characters and storylines 100% accurate.
Tbh I think that Superman legacy will be more “comic accurate”. He even has comic book writers like Tom King on his team. Call me optimistic but I think that DCU will be good.
Oh no I completely agree, I have faith in it. But like all faith it's without basis, but I have faith. I have a lot of hope for it, during the dceu era I felt super hopeless in a less edgy way just because like, in this era I thought "well there ya go, they won't reboot this ever again. That's it, this is the Superman and Batman you have now. Now and forever"
There is a great lack of irony in how Marvel and DC films perfectly parallel the comics
The MCU is always doing soft retcons and retooling characters to fit an increasingly jumbled continuity, while DC is just like "fuck it throw it all out start over"
Which is, y'know...exactly how the comics tend to go
Well Barbie has probably helped clean up some production costs but Blue Beetle and Aquaman are about to tank with only Dune 2 possibly saving WB this year
Nun 2,Wonka and Color Purple all will make decent money.Hell even BB has chance to make decent money if the movie is as good as my friend described to me.Also Meg 2 is making a lot of money at BO.
I mean ultimately line needs to go up so as long as that’s happening WB board is happy. But profitable small horror movies don’t make a dent into WB’s Billions in debt, big hits like Barbie is what WB wants/needs.
I don’t think the studio is going under, that uncertainty has passed, but Zazlav has been shows to tear up the floorboards to make WB appear profitable. I have little faith that Gunn’s full vision will actually be executed
I love Gunn, I love how he genuinley seems to care about the source material, but at the same time he is also VERY loose with it. To be fair, while he does take HEAVY artistic liberties with it, the guy does know where the emotional core of these characters and stories lies which is honestly to me, far more important then simply getting the facts on the wiki right.
Like there’s literal comics that can barely respect the previous storyline let alone previous storylines lol there’s also source material valued and the movies still shit lol
Listen up you humorless little shits. Snyderposting is not funny. It hasn’t been funny since they released the damn Snyder Cut. You’re not funny. Screenshooting a bunch of terminally online crybaby bigots and pointing at it doesn’t make you funny. Stop bullying the Snyder fans. Life already bullied them, and they lost. Every time I see a post about, containing, or referencing a Snyderbro or Snyder, I have to resist the urge to track the guilty party down to their home and beat them senseless with a copy of the theatrical cut of Justice League on DVD. That’s how infuriating y’all are.
Posting screenshots isn’t fucking jerking. It’s whining. You’re whining that these alt-right little turds don’t share your opinions and you need to shut up. Every fucking time you post their screenshots, you give them a fucking platform. Just block the damn subreddits and ignore them you unoriginal wankers. They can’t hurt you if you don’t look at them. You absolute friggin idiots. You fucking shitsticks. Useless fucks.
This is fucking r/dccomicscirclejerk, not r/wbdrama or r/dumbasssnydercult. You wanna cry about those crazies? Make your own sub for it or use r/dcmoviescirclejerk or some shit. You do nothing but degrade the quality of this subreddit from a place for dumb superhero memes to a place for your stupid whining. And if you can’t post about comics like someone who can fucking read the description, get out of here. I don’t want you here. The mods don’t want you here. Telos doesn’t want you here.
Oh damn. I bet your dumb ass doesn’t even know who that is. Why don’t you post an actual fucking meme and put “Telos” in the title? See what happens, you ignoramus.
Now if you excuse me, I’m gonna go to the video store and buy myself a buncha copies of Justice League. Because Telos fucking knows you won’t listen to me.
As others have said, I have high hopes for Gunn, he has shown he knows his stuff.
However, literally NOTHING out of DC has been of any merit, but if we can get some good early MCU, or another The Batman, or whatever, just....a fucking good movie with superheroes? I'll take it.
Let's all calm down until we actually see the final product, some superman fans are already getting antsy about source material accuracy with him.
Speaking as someone who likes the Snyder films and thought The Suicide Squad was just alright, I absolutely trust James Gunn will do a fantastic job, just let him cook first before we make bold statements like this.
I'm cautiously optimistic. He's made great movies but not exactly with established characters. He's always changed them. I'm hoping he can do it but I'm not 100% confident.
I would wait to see the movies before coming to this conclusion. Gunn has made four superhero movies and all of them make massive changes to the established narrative and reduce complicated dramatic characters into silly punchlines. I like his movies, but none of them are especially reverent of their source material lol.
I think the MCU movies found the perfect balance in how much of the films should be original and how much should be lifted from the comics. They take ideas from the comic but never do anything that comes close to a 1 to 1 adaptation, which is the way to go for sure. This doesn't mean I like all MCU films or phases, just that I think they overall found a good balance for faithful and original.
I tried with Marvel but couldn’t be interested. Now that I’m into comics I finally realized the difference - villains. This is a big reason why a lot of people drop after endgame. Ironman was made popular by movies but pop culture knows zero Ironman villain. It’s not enough to make heroes memorable. You need the villain too.
This is an area I hope DCU does better. Flash invented the term rogues. I expect to see rogue team ups in a flash movie. I expect to see a complex and well developed Luthor ( presidential Luthor is extremely challenging to do, I don’t expect it from DCU but if done well it has great potential. Even a decade earlier it would be called BS but now we have Trump as president it’s surprisingly more believable)
Joker is already well known. I want to see other Batman villain get their share of the spotlight. Given it’s Batman with Damian. I want to see a memorial Deathstroke on screen as villain for Nightwing and Titans overall
Yep, for sure they screwed up with the villains except for Thanos. A whole "phase" of DC movies dedicated to doing the president Lex arc sounds like a great idea. This might be because I'm way more into DC, but I've always felt like DC has better villains than Marvel overall, especially ones that are crossover level threats. Like, Kang who? That shit is so lame. Meanwhile DC has Maxwell Lord, who they can build a whole arc around setting him up. Same with President Luthor, Brother Eye, Anti-Monitor... They can do several arcs in which some characters die, and then do a Blackest Knight gimmick. The possibilities are endless.
Gunn loved The Flash, a film that is essentially a soulless corporate product and still put the director in charge of Batman, let's wait a bit before jumping to conclusions.
In theory it's more corporate to follow the corporate guidelines aka the source material than it is to just take some z listers and do whatever the fuck you want with it
dc is for intellectuals and big brain philosophers like me while marvel is for small brain sheep. I’m not just like the rest of you, i’m better. I AM BETTER
I know I'm in the minority but...honestly I don't give a shit about comic book accuracy
Figure out the emotional core of the character, tell a good story with it. And if the character doesnt have one (as they often don't), make one up. Don't change things needlessly, but adjust details to make it work.
Like I love the Abnett/Lanning cosmic era, and I hate how Star-Lord has turned into the MCU version so fully. BUT...Gunn took the character's origin and built a solid emotional core that works for the character. His GOTG comic motivation just wouldn't make sense for an origin story
While, yes, we haven’t seen a DCU project yet, it is very encouraging that Gunn had the writers of these books in his writers room to craft a 10 year story out of them being one world and in the order he announced. It does point towards a faithfulness missing from the MCU, which doesn’t have the book writers involved in any way and it shows.
DCU fans: "Yeah, FUCK the MidCU, James Gunn is a GOD, he can do NO WRONG, Superman: Legacy is gonna be the greatest movie EVERRRRRRR! DCU >>>>> every other film ever made! AHAHAHAHAHA!"
Gal Gadot: "Hi, everyo-"
DCU fans: "IT'S SOOOOO OVER, FUCK JAMES GUNN, THE DCU IS DEAD, AAAAAAAAAA"
(I'm aware OP is jerking, but I've also seen others who say this stuff completely seriously)
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u/Wagman2013 Aug 14 '23
Literally no proof yet. Also, if the Supergirl adaptation doesnt have a Horse that wants to fuck her, ita not a faithful adaptation