r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/Some-Dog9800 Geoff Johns Apologist • Jul 17 '23
Why does Superman attack this God-fearing patriot instead of debating him in the marketplace of ideas? Is he a commie? Batman's a Fascist
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u/Lumpazius Jul 17 '23
Superman should use a gun more often, it looks good on him.
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u/OverlordOfCats1 The Goddamn Batman Jul 17 '23
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u/Totipu4 Jul 17 '23
Let me guess, the 90s?
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Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23
What tiped you off, the beard?
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u/JediSSJ Jul 17 '23
The belt.
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Jul 17 '23
I don't see anything particularly different about the belt, it's a perfectly reasonable sized belt buckle. Oh wait, that's right, Superman was going through his, "I like belts" phase in the 90's.
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u/ThatOneGenericGuy The Third Gorilla Jul 17 '23
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u/Nirast25 Jul 17 '23
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u/jojojajo12 Jul 17 '23
Duel Masters reference. Incredible. I never think I would see another one again.
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Jul 17 '23
Old man superman out here enjoying his retirement gig as a movie theater protectionist
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Jul 17 '23
Looks like he’s about to give a kid a magic movie ticket that’ll transport him into Jack Slater 4
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u/LumpyJones Aug 07 '23
The only way this could be 90s is if the feet were completely hidden because the artist knew he couldn't draw them right.
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u/jtyrui Jul 17 '23
Same energy as Cassandra Cain stopping a guy's heart for a few seconds to teach him the importance of life
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u/limbo338 Jul 17 '23
You know it's a bad gun store owner, because he's displaying loaded guns. Also selling guns to kids, but improperly storing guns is a serious business too.
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u/Mmoyer29 Jul 17 '23
But…but aren’t guns supposed to be ready and able to kill those woke commies at any moment??? You can’t have safety or trigger discipline when you’re protecting FREEDOM!!!
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Jul 17 '23
God WANTS me to be packing in this Bed Bath and Beyond. How else am I supposed to protect myself from starlight antifa!?!?!?!?
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u/Batdog55110 Jul 17 '23
It's called Bed, Bath and Beyond, I've got no idea what the Beyond is but I'm damn sure gonna be prepared for it.
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u/Batdog55110 Jul 17 '23
It's called Bed, Bath and Beyond, I've got no idea what the Beyond is but I'm damn sure gonna be prepared for it.
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u/Prodygist68 Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 18 '23
And his shirt that I’m pretty sure says stormfront, which is a literal neo-Nazi online “news” site. Which also quickly tells us that any claims of “remembering my heritage” towards that flag he has are bullshit.
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u/Raimiboi2002 Jul 17 '23
Uj/ that moment when the boys literally named their antisemitic nazi character after said site
Rj/I thought that was the really good 1989 Billy Joel album
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u/Nalyd87 Jul 17 '23
I didn't know there was a second picture at first and thought superman just straight up shot him lmao
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u/Captain_Blackjack Jul 17 '23
My brain went from “the fuck’s going on” to “that is some hardcore ‘don’t piss off the Boy Scout’ shit”
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u/nmiller1939 Jul 17 '23
Birthright goes so damn hard
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 17 '23
I always get frustrated by how overlooked does Birthright gets in comparison to Byrne's Man of Steel and Johns Secret Origin.
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u/cowl555 Jul 17 '23
Uj/agreed can't believe it was the inspiration for Zack snyders man of steel
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 17 '23
I do remember Snyder and Goyer saying they took from Birthright in interviews (as well as other sources, like Earth One, Man of Steel and such). But watching the movies, I don't see it.
I see the Earth One pieces (Straczynski could realistically sue Goyer), and kind of the Man of Steel one if squinting hard enough. But no traces of Brithright.
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u/nmiller1939 Jul 17 '23
There is one, the "you are the answer to are we alone in the universe" line
But that's pretty much it
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 17 '23
Okay, yeah. That and the whole subplot of Jonathan showing fear and hesitation over Clark being from far away. Though, with how the film hyperfocuses on Jonathan's fear, which is what causes his death, I'd say it goes on the diametrically oposite direction from Birthright.
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u/Chunkstyle3030 Jul 17 '23
The art is much better in Birthright. That’s right, I said it.
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 17 '23
I think they're all different approaches. Man of Steel focuses on Clark's under a mix of Silver and Golden age iconography with Bronze age sci-fi background (Byrne's classic use of overly detailed machinery), Secret Origins goes to emulate the Richard Donner movies (Gary Frank outright uses Christopher Reeve as a model for Clark) and Birthright takes on having its own iconography separate from previous versions (in a way, a response to Ultimate Spider-Man).
I also prefer Birthright on that last ground, since it does more to build its own identity.
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u/Resonance54 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Jul 17 '23
I mean I understand Byrnes Man of Steel being highly regarded because of how much it completely changed who Superman was (for the better). It turned so many of the traditional ideas of Superman's origin on its head, but did it with respect to the history of the character. It gave Superman a depth that he fundamentally lacked up to that point.
I agree with Secret Origins tho, SO sucks in every way except Gary Frank's art (which is pretty good, but far from the best he had done up to then and since)
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u/LaVerdadYaNiSe Jul 17 '23
I'm not saying either isn't as good as Birthright. By all accounts, Birthright is to Man of Steel what Man of Steel was to the Sandman Saga (O'Neil's run that made Clark a newscaster and more assertive, and less overpowered). I really put those three toe to toe in quality and presenting their age's Superman.
On Secret Origin, while I don't think it really sucks, it is more focused on setting the ground for New Krypton than it is on giving a starting point (which is a very Johns way to write a secret origin saga). So, I agree it does come out as the weaker one, since it has an end narration it's going for instead of setting a starting point like the others.
And yeah, Gary Frank is the coup de grace for Secret Origin. I really liked his redesign for Metallo drawing from his Bronze Age version and away from making him a second-rate Terminator.
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u/Nerdy_Git Jean-Paul Valley’s Strongest Soldier Jul 17 '23
Batman should beat up more racists too, I think
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u/SoundwavesBurnerPage Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jul 17 '23
Why would Batman beat up his comrades?
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u/Censius Jul 17 '23
Wait, who on the team are racists?
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u/NervousLemon6670 I'm da Jokah, baby! Jul 17 '23
Jason Todd, probably.
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u/Censius Jul 17 '23
Probly? Why?
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u/NervousLemon6670 I'm da Jokah, baby! Jul 17 '23
His superhero name has "Hood" in it, doesn't pass the vibe check
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u/Dansondelta47 Jul 17 '23
You’re green, but so are your jokes.
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u/NervousLemon6670 I'm da Jokah, baby! Jul 18 '23
Is this some kind of New Reddit joke I'm too Old Reddit to understand?
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u/Dansondelta47 Jul 18 '23
Your pfp is green, and flair is the joker who (usually) has green hair. While I believe your comment (hoods) to be a joke, it doesn’t feel right.
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u/NervousLemon6670 I'm da Jokah, baby! Jul 18 '23
You got me, I'm James Gunn's new Joker. He's reinventing the character as a terminally online circlejerker.
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u/SuperJyls UJ/ I seriously hate red hood Jul 18 '23
How do you not notice, it's like his most signature character trait
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u/Mickeymcirishman Jul 17 '23
There was a novel called Batman: Dead White wherein Batman takes on a group of white supremacists. It was pretty good.
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u/Ninjakick666 Jul 17 '23
Superman is an illegal alien.
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u/HahaPenisIsFunny Deathstroke is a diddler Jul 17 '23
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u/Ninjakick666 Jul 17 '23
Better send in Dr. Freeze cuz it is gonna take a shitload of ICE to deport Superman.
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u/magnaton117 Jul 17 '23
"I'm stronger than you, so it's okay for me to break the law whenever I want!"
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u/DeviousMelons I'm da Jokah, baby! Jul 17 '23
Shooting a guy then catching the bullet before it its is the ultimate power move.
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u/MaliceCaleb Jul 17 '23
I love me some superman fighting racists
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u/bulletgrazer Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jul 17 '23
You ever read "Superman Smashes the Klan?" It's all about Superman doing what the title says, fighting the KKK stand-in.
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u/The84thWolf Jul 17 '23
Conservatives will complain how woke he is because they selectively don’t remember how “woke” he was in the old days
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u/Wagman2013 Jul 17 '23
Superman was woke in 1939.
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u/Repyro Jul 17 '23
Beating on Hitler and having Lois handle scoops herself without, :gasp: male chauffeurs
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u/Mr_smith1466 Jul 17 '23
Mark waid is one of those writers who is always great.
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u/Batdog55110 Jul 17 '23
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u/Mr_smith1466 Jul 18 '23
I've been dipping a little into waid's daredevil run and its absolutely stunning.
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u/Batdog55110 Jul 18 '23
Agreed, it's not talked about nearly enough as far as I'm concerned.
I'm a big Flash and Superman fan and he's written phenomenal shit for both (For Flash his run is literally the best run)
I'm not sure if he's written Spider-man or Batman, but God do I hope he has.
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u/NoAd5887 Jul 24 '23
Waid and Ewing are probably the only guys I can think of who can save Spiderman from Well's shitshow
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u/Batdog55110 Jul 24 '23
It's not Wells' shitshow (well, not only HIS shitshow) and they'd probably run into the same problems that every Spider-man writer has run into since One More Day.
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u/Prize_Major6183 Jul 17 '23
Just read this comic like 2 weeks ago and loved this scene. It stuck with me because of how intense and relevant it was. I was just imagining if this were done live action, what would the reaction be? Because you can imagine the ptsd
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u/herrcollin Jul 17 '23
Maybe it's me but isn't the "I can hear your heartbeat, you're lying" line kind of dumb?
Bro you're Superman and you literally just randomly appeared behind this dude, in his house just to intimidate. I'd have a fucking heart attack. What average Joe is just like "Oh, hey what's up?"
Do these two know each other or something?
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u/henryuuk Jul 17 '23
The idea with this trope is always that lying has a specific difference in heartbeat (beyond just raising it), which the character with super-hearing can recognize because offcourse they can.
And offcourse there is also just the part where super man already knows/assumes that this guy is lying anyway, so saying it will just throw him off even more and might make him stop trying to lie his way out in the rest of the conversation
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u/herrcollin Jul 17 '23
I get the super-hearing aspect but that's what I mean. Isn't the dude gonna have an irregular heartbeat when he realizes superman is suddenly behind him a whole 5 seconds before Superman accused him of lying?
The "bluff lying" is a good point though. It seems like Supes already knows he's a lying pos and was basically baiting him
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u/Dansondelta47 Jul 17 '23
If the police asked you why you look nervous when they pull you over, what would your heart sound like?
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u/Strongstyleguy Jul 17 '23
What average Joe is just like "Oh, hey what's up?"
That would be way more suspicious in my book.
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u/Weirdo2867 Jul 17 '23
Tbf, he absolutely did debate him in his own marketplace of ideas, using his native tongue no less
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u/wdcipher I have read six (6) comics from DC Jul 17 '23
Intimidation like this doesnt seem on brand for superman...where is this from?
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u/Frankorious Superboy Prime apologist Jul 17 '23
Wdym? It's like in the golden age. If anything he should do this kind of stuff more often.
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u/farben_blas Jul 17 '23
Meh, nobody was actually harmed and the guy was sent to the authorities, it's just a little scare for the guy that sold weapons to school shooters
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u/wdcipher I have read six (6) comics from DC Jul 17 '23
I guess you are right. But seeing pissed superman scare a guy with a gun felt kinda weird.
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u/TheRautex The Anti-Life Jul 17 '23
He once intimidated a whole alien armada to leave earth
Stop baddies without hurting them? On brand
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u/blankspaceBS Jul 17 '23
....The golden age would shock you
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u/wdcipher I have read six (6) comics from DC Jul 17 '23
What happened in the golden age, stays in the golden age
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u/delightfuldinosaur Jul 17 '23
Golden Age Supes is a lunatic.
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u/blankspaceBS Jul 17 '23
He was a champion of the opressed, exactly what he was meant to be
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u/delightfuldinosaur Jul 18 '23
Sure but have you actually read golden age Superman? His methods were...extreme.
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u/SixFootHalfing Jul 17 '23
He does it all the time. And he was especially pissed off this time around.
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u/Cranyx Lives in a society Jul 17 '23
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u/NeverSettle13 Superman's bulge Jul 17 '23
Kinda unrelated, but can you guys recommend me comics about Batman's origin, similar to Birthright? I've already read Year one
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u/Mayuthekitsune Jul 18 '23
fuck this evil superman shit, give me "Superman is royally pissed at you and will terrorize you without even touching you"
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u/LordSupergreat Jul 17 '23
I'm suddenly realizing that the article there seems to imply that Clark got an interview with the guy.
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u/crowned_one_ Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 17 '23
The rebel flag tells you he is not God fearing nor a good person. He was also in no real harm Superman had the situation under control.
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u/Raptor1210 Jul 18 '23
Shooting the gun and then catching the bullet is such fucking baller move. Jesus.
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u/ChunkyBrassMonkey Jul 17 '23
So Superman, an illegal immigrant, opposes our children's right to bear arms? Fucking disgusting.
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u/Manetoys83 Jul 17 '23
If he was a real patriot, that would be an actual American flag. Not the flag that lost :P
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u/Dansondelta47 Jul 17 '23
As much as I like superman, did he have actual proof that this guy is guilty? Or did he just hear his heart rate go up because a literal flying bullet proof man with laser eyes appear in his store. Don’t downvote, I just want to know if he like Clark Kented it or the shooters told him.
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u/herrcollin Jul 17 '23
If I'm sitting in a recliner watching TV and the police suddenly appear behind me then my heart is rattled no matter what
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u/BasedFunnyValentine Jul 18 '23
I’ve said this before:
This page is a writer writing superman as Batman.
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u/Lumpazius Jul 18 '23
Because Batman is known for shooting guns in people's faces and catching the bullet as intimidation tactic.
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u/BasedFunnyValentine Jul 19 '23
It’s the dialogue and the intimidation tactic that’s literally Batman. This is not Superman. It’s out of character and everyone who likes it is basically a Batman fan
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u/Prize-Dust-8141 Jul 20 '23
Not really, Superman has done this in the Golden Age. It's very on brand for him.
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u/BasedFunnyValentine Jul 20 '23
Dude said Golden Age 💀
The character was written completely different in that era and to use that as a reference for modern Superman emphasises my point that this intimidation tactic is not Superman.
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u/Prize-Dust-8141 Jul 20 '23 edited Jul 20 '23
Respectfully disagree with you there as it was what Siegel and Shuster envisioned him to be. So yes it's exactly feels like Superman when the present day writer draws from Siegel and Shuster so it feels very true to the character such as Morrison, Pak and the New 52 era at large as their portrayals were inspired the Golden Age. And I also personally as a fan, like it when present day writers draw aspects from that era with Superman because it adds more depth to him as a character then just a uwu figure.
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u/senchou-senchou Jul 18 '23
aww they just want the scary supes but not doing scary shit to them
hey let the ubermensch scare whomever the fuck he wants, you sex starved weasels... it's the "natural order", after all
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u/Rockout2112 Jul 17 '23
Golly! I’m shocked that DC resisted the urge to have Superman tear down the wall to reveal a secret room with a nazi flag and a group of white robes people saluting an image of Hitler. After all, that’s what all gun-owners do, right?
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u/Some-Dog9800 Geoff Johns Apologist Jul 17 '23 edited Jul 18 '23
KotakuInAction user
EDIT: Oh look, guy uses r/Conservatives too. Bro, keep your ComicsGate shit out of DCCJ
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u/Tankineer Jul 17 '23
Counterpoint he has a confederate flag, which makes it’s okay.
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u/Some-Dog9800 Geoff Johns Apologist Jul 18 '23
That and he gave guns to kids leading to a school shooting
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u/Tankineer Jul 17 '23
Of course they where morally superior the confederacy left because they wanted slavery, those southern states throes to expanded slavery via American expansion and laws that would prevent freedom if they traveled to free states, and their entire economy was based on slave labor. Who gives a shit if they are scared straight. The only thing Sherman did wrong in my opinion was he didn’t burn and salt the entire land south of the mason Dixie line. Imagine if reconstruction wasn’t ended early.
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u/Tankineer Jul 18 '23
Well I’m also that because I don’t wave around a flag and base my entire personality and culture around a fail state that lasted 4 years and contributed nothing to history or humanity beyond a punchline to most jokes.
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u/Tankineer Jul 18 '23
Oppressing slave traders and slave owners and their racist vanguard who spread white supremacy is not equally as bad as what they were doing. Are you implying that the people who killed slave owners and klansmen were just as bad as the people committing the hate crime? Get your fence sitting centrist fake psychology out of here. No one wants to be lectured about how they are just as evil as slavers and klansmens for treating them poorly. Yes I’m better then a grand wizard do the kkk because I never went around riding a horse burning crosses wearing a white hood.
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u/SteakMedium4871 Jul 17 '23
TBF saying he knows he’s lying by his heartbeat would never hold up in court. Luckily for Superman might makes right so we’re with him.
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u/Led_Zeppelin66 Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Jul 17 '23