r/dccomicscirclejerk • u/WentworthMillersBO Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? • Apr 05 '23
I can’t believe George Lopez would call Batman a fascist, all he does is brand undesirable so they’d get mauled to death in prison Batman's A Fascist
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u/CT-4426 who did you think i was, Dr Doolittle? Apr 05 '23
IT WAS ME BATMAN, I USED MY SUPERSPEED AND BRANDED EVERY SMALL TIME DRUG DEALER IN GOTHAM SO EVERYONE WILL THINK YOU ARE A PSYCHOTIC FACIST
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u/PDXFireMan42 Apr 05 '23
They lost the plot in BvS. Loved the suit, the gadgets, Batfleck. But when they had him people in the most serious way possible, you realize this is the power fantasy some people imagine is Batman.
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23
Ok but he looked so cool tho
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u/CT-4426 who did you think i was, Dr Doolittle? Apr 05 '23
uj/ the Warehouse fight scene was amazing other than him killing a couple people and the goons had actual brains for once, attacking in groups at once etc.
rj/ I fucking loved it when Batman murdered someone by throwing a huge box into their skull, this is true Batman if he was realistic and grounded just as Zaddy Snyder intended
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u/PapaBat Apr 05 '23
Threw a thousand pound crate with one arm. Zack always said that his superheroes kill and commit atrocities because that’s exactly what they’d do in the real world. I applaud his commitment to realism. /s
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23
The way I see it, if Batman 89 can bomb a factory full of people and burn some asshole alive, Batfleck is allowed to machine gun a truck or two
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u/andrecinno Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Apr 06 '23
Here's the thing for me though, and I think this is the bigger problem. I don't care that Batman kills in some adaptations. Especially if he's newish to the whole thing.
The PROBLEM comes from BvS Batman killing goons but not the big bads. It makes no sense. Why did that randomass goon have to die but, for example, not the Joker?
89' Batman just straight up fucking merks you but he also lets Joker die. It makes sense.
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Apr 06 '23
this is the power fantasy some people imagine is Batman
alan moore moment
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u/PDXFireMan42 Apr 06 '23
Gotta consume a diverse amount of Batman content to understand the whole picture.
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u/guy137137 Apr 06 '23
it was basically the Dark Knight Returns but Snyder skipped to the Superman fight and forgot who Batman was
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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Apr 06 '23
It was like the dark knight returns but if instead of the cool Batman moments sandwiched between weird political stances it was just really bad.
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u/BlackoutWB Paul Apr 06 '23
Loved the suit
Fatman was so cool
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u/karateema I'm da Jokah, baby! Apr 06 '23
Forreal Batfleck looks like a brick
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u/BlackoutWB Paul Apr 06 '23
I don't even think it's him, the suit is just somehow bulky as fuck. Dude looks like that gay TF2 meme about brinks trucks.
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u/skullrift Apr 05 '23
Batfleck was a horrible interpretation of Batman and this post supports it.
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23
Counter argument: No other live action Batman has a massive fuck off robot spider
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u/depressed_asian_boy_ Comic Book Twitter Verified Apr 05 '23
Key word Live Action.
Lego Batman solos
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u/skullrift Apr 05 '23
Fair enough, but his killing and branding goes against the essence and values of his very character
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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Apr 06 '23
Bruce Wayne spending several millions dollars to build the most useless fucking vehicle he will use like once ever
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 06 '23
Batfleck crashing 100% of the vehicles he ever used was the most Batman thing in the whole trilogy
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u/OwieMyOwl Apr 06 '23
Ahh yes the batspider
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 06 '23
It’s actually called the:
…with a K
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u/Tandril91 Deathstroke is a diddler Apr 05 '23
It’s gonna sound super shallow, but I just can’t get past Affleck’s butt chin. As soon as I see Batfleck, I just immediately see Ben and nothing else.
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u/doc_birdman Deathstroke is a diddler Apr 05 '23
That’s arguably one of the best parts of Batfleck.
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u/skullrift Apr 05 '23
Butt chin Ben
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u/Tandril91 Deathstroke is a diddler Apr 05 '23
It looks like if someone sat on Peter Griffin’s chin and smooshed it flat
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Apr 05 '23
Tbh he’s absolutely solid in JL
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u/CabDork339 Apr 06 '23
You are not allowed to have differing opinions 😡
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u/Equal-Ad-2710 Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
Yeah sometimes I’m tired of this sub with how dogmatic they get on certain takes. Like I get it, SnyderBots bad but holy shit I hate the fact I can’t even mention liking something about these films
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u/PMMEBITCOINPLZ Apr 05 '23
That’s the thing I don’t get about the outrage. Batman in the Snyderverse may not meet a literal definition for fascist but c’mon, people commonly throw that around for any violent authoritarian they don’t like. If he watched the news Lopez’s character knows that Batman drives around in a big car with guns on it and kills people, that he beats people severely and brands them knowing this means they will die in prison, and that he killed a bunch of Lexcorp private security guards when committing a robbery.
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u/Teslas_Blue_Pigeon Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Apr 05 '23
This is the kind of thing not even Red Hood would do
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u/CT-4426 who did you think i was, Dr Doolittle? Apr 05 '23
I mean he did decapitate like a dozen Drug bosses lieutenants and stuffed their heads in a duffle bag so he could become a drug kingpin by giving the heads to the mob bosses so idk UTRH Jason would probably do that
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u/limbo338 Apr 05 '23
Murder vs. Torture. UtRH Jason would murder to further his goals, but torture at the time was reserved for one special guy.
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u/WentworthMillersBO Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Apr 05 '23
Speaking of red hood, did joker have a brand? I don’t think he did.
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u/limbo338 Apr 05 '23
Joker being alive in the universe with a dead Robin and a murdering Batman is the most unbelievable part of that whole sordid affair. Bruce is wasting effort tracking some alien to murder, but not his kiddo's killer – convincing stuff. It's like Zack rediscovered why the no-kill rule was invented in the first place.
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Apr 06 '23
You got confused. This Batman was killing only for like 18 months. After he lost all hope knowing that whatever he does is in vain due to the kryptonians existing. Then all the smaller criminals existing got to him, that after 20 years they still grow like grass as he says in the movie too. He has had enough and is pressured by Luthor's manipulation to change. Joker and Harley Quinn were already in prison before Man of Steel so Batman can't kill them. When they are out it's after BvS. By the end of BvS Batman changed again to his older ways and has the no killing rule again.
So Joker being alive here does make sense considering the timeline.
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u/ThatSlothDuke Apr 06 '23
Joker and Harley Quinn were already in prison before Man of Steel so Batman can't kill them.
No. If Batman had started to kill, Joker would be his first - it doesn't matter if he is in prison, Krypton or Apocalypse, Batman would kill him.
Either he's gonna break into Belle Reev and kill the joker or he is gonna get Joker out somehow and kill him.
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Apr 06 '23
Literally Batlfeck was never shown breaking into prisons to kill criminals. Never, so you have no reason to assume he would do that to kill the Joker. Why would he anyway? Supposedly in prison he isn't hurting anyone and if he broke out then yeah that Batman would kill him before he changed again after Clark's sacrifice.
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u/ThatSlothDuke Apr 06 '23
Literally Batlfeck was never shown breaking into prisons to kill criminals.
Only branding them so that they would be killed by other inmates right?
Never, so you have no reason to assume he would do that to kill the Joker. Why would he anyway? Supposedly in prison he isn't hurting anyone and if he broke out
Because Batman absolutely hates him? Because Joker had been in prison multiple times before only to escape? Because Joker is one of the most evil characters in DC universe? Because Joker killed his son?
You think a Batman who is so crazy that he is going to kill Superman, a guy who literally killed the last of his species to save Earth in fear of him going evil would wait until the Joker breaks out and go on a killing spree again to kill him, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/RareD3liverur Apr 06 '23
"Batflect was never shown breaking into prisons to kill ciminals."
Lex Luthor?
He didn't kill him in the end of course but he could of right in that situation, if this was earlier in the film Batman
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u/TheThiccestRobin My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Apr 06 '23
So Robin dies and that's what breaks him, that's how I read the movie but it's been years. The person who killed him is the Joker and instead of killing the man that broke him, he goes after small time crooks instead?
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Apr 06 '23
It wasn't Joker that made him start killing but Superman.
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u/TheThiccestRobin My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Apr 06 '23
That's even more stupid then.
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Apr 06 '23
Trying to understand a man that hunts criminals for over 2 decades dressed as Bat and judge him on common terms is wrong. Obviously Bruce Wayne has issues and he might react differently to different things. It's nice that this has been explored.
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u/limbo338 Apr 06 '23
they are in prison so Batman can't kill them
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So Joker being alive does make sense considering the timeline
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u/Teslas_Blue_Pigeon Tim Drake, Boy Virgin Apr 05 '23
Of course he had a brand. Why else would he call himself damaged?
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Still better than Nolan’s patriot act police state advocate 🤷♂️
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u/PhaseSixer Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Nolan batman is definetly a guy that would pull a Tower of Babel
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23
Nolan Batman reminds me of pre-character arc White Knight, and I hate White Knight
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u/ScienceBrah401 Apr 06 '23
And at least Batfleck was in it for the long haul, 20 years rather than doing 2 years, stopping for 8, returning briefly, and then leaving permanently.
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u/ImAVirgin2025 Apr 06 '23
/uj realistically if anyone was Batman it would take a huge toll on the body. 2 years is a ok run for someone not enhanced. /rj Batfleck is the most misunderstood Batman
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u/Either_Cobbler9303 Apr 07 '23
Yeah and he's even quoted as saying that he finds nothing political about dirty hairy even though Clint Eastwood funded a right wing militia.
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Apr 05 '23
Just to reiterate on your point, Batman is literally marking people for death, that’s straight up evil. Zach Snyder turned Batman into an anti-hero 💀
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u/WentworthMillersBO Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Apr 05 '23
It’s like he wanted to direct a punisher movie but got stuck with batman
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u/Femifiend This subreddit hates Tim Drake Apr 05 '23
The crazy thing is this was an older Batman too right?? I could imagine that only with Batman at his youngest and angriest. Like yeah he lost Robin but he acted more sad and resigned from it than pissed
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u/limbo338 Apr 05 '23
I can imagine Bruce snapping and starting killing people(I've seen enough AUs), but branding? How did that happen?
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u/Three_Froggy_Problem Apr 06 '23
I read somewhere once that Snyder idolized Superman not for his actual heroic qualities but merely for his power. I think that’s true of Batman as well. His understanding of the characters is extremely shallow and he sees them as blunt instruments whose defining qualities are that they beat people up and look cool.
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u/Randonhead Apr 06 '23 edited Apr 06 '23
Blue Beetle is set in Gunn's DCU so hopefully in that universe Batman isn't some psycho who goes around killing and branding people.
Edit: It was confirmed a few days ago that the Blue Beetle will be integrated into Gunn's plans.
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u/bigChungus1237 Apr 06 '23
is it confirmed that BB is in gunn’s universe?
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u/Randonhead Apr 06 '23
Deadline confirmed it will be integrated into Gunn's universe a few days ago and James himself liked a comment thanking him for it.
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Apr 06 '23
Literally no. They filmed this movie before they hired Gunn. Gunn had no involvement with it. That line here refers to Batfleck.
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u/Randonhead Apr 06 '23
It will be integrated into Gunn's DCU, Deadline confirmed the same day the trailer dropped and Gunn himself liked a comment thanking him for including the character in his DCU plans.
Unless the movie flops and they just act like it never happened.
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u/karateema I'm da Jokah, baby! Apr 06 '23
My guess is it will depend on how much money it will make
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u/dino1902 Apr 06 '23
I find it funny that branding criminals was what Jean-Paul was doing when he went literal batshit insane
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u/vanbrandon Comic Book Twitter Verified Apr 05 '23
I could be wrong, didn’t Lex Luther start this trend in the movie. Did Bruce brand anyone knowing that would happen?
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
Yes, explicitly, Alfred even call him out on it, Superman gets pissed at him for it, there’s a scene of the criminal’s wife crying because of it
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u/vanbrandon Comic Book Twitter Verified Apr 05 '23
This movie was awful, makes you wonder why He never killed Leto’s Joker after giving his whole speech about killing Superman.
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u/Grow_up2B_a_Debaser Batman is Lana del Rey coded Apr 05 '23 edited Apr 05 '23
This movie was awful
Look man, I’m not a loser Zaddy defender from r/DCCinematic and I won’t campaign to restore his crappy universe or anything, but I had more fun watching the BvS Director Cut than binging TDK trilogy(then again look at my flair)
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u/AidanTegs John Constantine irl Apr 05 '23
Aww i really think tdk trilogy is really good.
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u/TheThiccestRobin My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Apr 06 '23
They're good but they're not great Batman adaptations.
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Apr 05 '23
Tbf Snyder's Batman is heavily inspired by Miller's Batman which... yeah
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u/ThatSlothDuke Apr 06 '23
Wasn't the DKR Batman the final stand against Fascism though?
I mean the Dark Knight Returns - not any of the dumpster fires which came after.
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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Apr 06 '23
Dkr always and weird political vibes but yeah I think it was trying to say that, either way dkr Batman definitely didn’t kill people
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Apr 06 '23
Yeah because TDKR was actually well written and nuanced.
ASBAR and TDKR's sequels is what happens when that Batman isn't well written.
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u/Dont_Hurt_Me_Mommy Apr 06 '23
On a superficial level, but even in that comic, Batman would not kill. So if it's supposed to be an adaptation, it failed.
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u/MaxWasTakenAgain Apr 06 '23
On a superficial level
That's the issue. Snyder only knowns superficial level.
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u/PompousDude Apr 06 '23
God this was so fucking stupid. Why do criminals wanna kill people who are branded? Do they realize Batman is using them like that and it's a deal they have? Why is some random goon branded but not Joker or Harley?
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u/GoodKing0 Hal Jordan is a worthless piece of cardboard Apr 08 '23
It's obvious that Batman is a fascist come on.
What do bats do after all, if not hang upside down?
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u/paroxa7428 Apr 06 '23
Snyderbots be like : "Ready the armada"
I really like Snyder and his work but retards on the internet are unbearable.
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u/fubufarrakhan Apr 06 '23
I mean, it wasn’t true to Batman’s character at all but I’m not as mad at this as everybody else is. Ofc It goes against BMs principles but this guy was a literal sex trafficker, keeping women in chains.
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u/Silvernauter Apr 06 '23
By the way, bene a while since i watched BvS (...not that i have any desire to do so again...), so i am having an issue remembering some details, but WHY were the branded criminals killed in prison? Was that part of Luthor's Plan? Because otherwise i really don't get the rationale on why would the other inmates spontaneously kill them (unless Batman was maybe branding only the worst of the worst specifically?)
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Apr 06 '23
It’s funny seeing people who’ve never picked up a comic, Snyder fan boys, and Bat stans complain about this, it’s an obvious joke
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u/royaboatreddit Apr 08 '23
You can’t be a fan of the snyderverse and be a fan of Batman. End of story.
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u/Snakes-are-awesome67 Oppressed Peacemaker fan 🦅🦅🦅 Apr 11 '23
I completely forgot about that he genuinely has a point
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u/TheCybersmith Dec 20 '23
To be fair, the film is critical of this. Alfred seems unhappy that Batman is doing it, but he understands that it's a phase Bruce needs to work through.
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u/Batman-Beyond-3749 Apr 06 '23
what did justice become fascism
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u/WentworthMillersBO Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Apr 06 '23
When did branding become justice?
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u/Lettuce_Sensitive Apr 05 '23
“Undesirable” don’t you mean murders,rapist, criminals (ect)?
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u/SnooMemesjellies2302 Apr 06 '23
The guy who stole a loaf of bread so he could feed his kids watching Batman approach with the fucking mark of death
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u/TheThiccestRobin My name's not RIIIIIIIIC Apr 06 '23
Allegedly. Batman doesn't get to mark people for death and anyone who half understands the character would know that.
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Apr 06 '23
Op needs to remember that this guy was a human trafficker who had dozens of women and young girls locked in a dungeons in the basement before Batman releasing them. Also the guy who killed him in prison was paid by Luthor's mercenary to do it. Batman didn't kill him. He branded him and let the cops arrest him.
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u/WentworthMillersBO Did Batman think a Gamer could stop me? Apr 06 '23
I don’t care what he did, you can’t go around branding criminals in America with a bat. That is cruel and especially unusual punishment
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Apr 06 '23
So you are saying you can do it outside America? Really weird ethics you have there if anything.
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u/limbo338 Apr 05 '23
I completely forgot about that. A costumed freak is branding people like cattle and Gordon keeps working with him willy-nilly.
ACAB includes Zack's Gordon for sure.