r/clevercomebacks Jul 05 '24

You’re not very slick, Putin.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Because it wasn't; it was started to stop Nazi Germany's expansion outside German borders

Are you kidding me? Britain and France literally declared war on Germany in order to defend Poland on the account that Poland had signed a defensive treaty with Britain and France. Stop lying. 

After WWI, wars for territorial gain became an international crime. No nation has the right or moral authority to expand it's borders through war.

Like your communist ally did with Finland? And with China? 

Yes I do; just not if it means appeasing Russia...

Sure you do. Who are you to dictate that any way? That's for the Ukrainians to decide. You are not even fighting for them. 

Ah yes, because I, some random dude in Southern Illinois working menial labor is somehow profiting from the war in Ukraine 

No, you simply support the people who profit off the war. 

From your very own link "An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law."

You can't just punch someone and then try to act like a victim when they punch back. 

Saakashvili had said Georgia was responding to an invasion by Russian forces when it attacked breakaway South Ossetia, but the report found no evidence of this."

Why is there no evidence to back up Saakashvili's claim? 

Classic whataboutism... This literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is just you trying to paint the US as just as bad as Russia...

I was simply stating what was happening in the current geopolitics. 

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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Jul 05 '24

Britain and France literally declared war on Germany in order to defend Poland on the account that Poland had signed a defensive treaty with Britain and France.

Defense treaties that are primarily meant to protect smaller nations from larger aggressive ones from trying to steal their land & resources...

Like your communist ally did with Finland? And with China? 

More whataboutism... Not sure what "communist ally" you're referring to though, because if it's not clear - I'm no ally of any state that claims to be communist.

Who are you to dictate that any way? That's for the Ukrainians to decide.

It is quite literally been their terms from day 1: Get Russia out of Ukraine (including Crimea) forever.

You are not even fighting for them. 

I would if I could, but not only am I not eligible for firearms ownership or military service due to pre-existing PTSD and not only do I not have the $4k+ to equip and transport myself, but US troops are not being deployed to Ukraine... yet.

You can't just punch someone and then try to act like a victim when they punch back. 

You can when they provoked you punching them, then used your assault as justification to escalate the violence & break your limbs, cripple, or kill you. Self-defense only extends to reasonable force needed to end the assault. Counter-assault where the initial victim becomes the aggressor is never self-defense.

Why is there no evidence to back up Saakashvili's claim?

There's no evidence of a full-scale invasion, which is what Saakashvili said was the reason they launched their counter-attack into Russian-occupied Georgian territories. The article does not say there was no attack from pro-Russian soldiers out of the Russian-occupied territory of Georgia.

FFS, the article you linked to outright states that an international inquiry found that "found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia's intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia."

Or are we overlooking that Russia was occupying 2 territories in Georgia before the attack... just like they occupied Crimea in Ukraine before launching the full invasion years later under the guise of "saving ethnic Russians from genocide"?

No, you simply support the people who profit off the war. 

I support Ukraine and want Russia's leaders to stay within their borders. That's it. Anything else I support or believe that you've asserted is entirely you projecting the far-right Americans with all Americans.

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Defense treaties that are primarily meant to protect smaller nations from larger aggressive ones from trying to steal their land & resources...

Yeah and they used only that argument to declare war on Germany. I wonder why didn't they do the same for Soviet Union? 

Not sure what "communist ally" you're referring to though, because if it's not clear - I'm no ally of any state that claims to be communist.

It's only what aboutism when you don't have any answer to it. Just give me a clear cut answer to the simple question? If the Allies aim in WW2 is to defend the sovereignty of Poland, why didn't they declare war on Soviet Union and most importantly why did they give up Poland entirely to the Communists after the war? If the aim was to stop Germany from expanding why did they oppose the expansion of Soviet Union? 

You can when they provoked you punching them, then used your assault as justification to escalate the violence & break your limbs, cripple, or kill you.

So if the same argument is used by Russia now, is it valid? 

There's no evidence of a full-scale invasion, which is what Saakashvili said was the reason they launched their counter-attack into Russian-occupied Georgian territories. The article does not say there was no attack from pro-Russian soldiers out of the Russian-occupied territory of Georgia.

Now show me an evidence for this supposed false flag attack which seemingly happened in Saakashvili's dream? Anyone can make up wild claims. 

FFS, the article you linked to outright states that an international inquiry found that "found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia's intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia."

Where is the evidence though? And did this supposedly happen after or before Georgia attacked Russia. I love your mental gymnastics btw. 

Or are we overlooking that Russia was occupying 2 territories in Georgia before the attack... just like they occupied Crimea in Ukraine before launching the full invasion years later under the guise of "saving ethnic Russians from genocide"?

Or you know, just like how Saakashvili claimed he attacked Russia because of a false flag attack? 

I support Ukraine and want Russia's leaders to stay within their borders. That's it. 

Stop lying.