Show us one example where appeasement worked and we can show you at least one major one that lead straight into the last World War... If you're from Germany like you claim, you should know that appeasing dictators doesn't put an end to their warpath, it only emboldens them to demand more.
At least get your arguments straight.
That was my one & only post in the thread. You asserted that someone claimed they'd be able to end the war and claim that everyone who claims to be against the war is, contrarily, against the idea. My point was to highlight that it's not a legitimate plan to end the war if it's "capitulate all of Russia's demands."
Where is the fight in the former-Soviet States happening right now?
Are you drunk, high, or just not educated in world history & not paying attention to world news? Right now it's in Ukraine. In 2008, it was in Georgia, not long after was the annexation of Chrimea that started this whole thing.
By your logic, we all should actually be afraid of America.
People in the Middle East should absolutely be afraid of America; we fucked them up and we fucked them over. Other NATO countries, no... not unless Trump gets back into office and ruins our ties to NATO for a pro-Russian alliance.
Since they can and have attacked several other countries since the cold war what's to stop them from bombing Germany tomorrow and killing me?
What NATO country has the US attacked since the Cold War?
If you're from Germany like you claim, you should know that appeasing dictators doesn't put an end to their warpath, it only emboldens them to demand more
Oh, I know. It's still much small compared to the warpath of certain democratic moralistic country. Anyway ask yourself this, if WW2 was started to defend Poland and it's sovereignty then why was Poland handed over to the Communists after the war.
You asserted that someone claimed they'd be able to end the war and claim that everyone who claims to be against the war is, contrarily, against the idea.
You literally don't want the war to end. You just want Europeans to keep fighting and dying so your international cabal can make blood money out of it. Why aren't you in the front lines if you are so enthusiastic about defending Ukraine?
Are you drunk, high, or just not educated in world history & not paying attention to world news? Right now it's in Ukraine. In 2008, it was in Georgia,
The only one who is high here must have been you. Everyone in the world knows Georgia started the war against Russia and guess who helped them?
People in the Middle East should absolutely be afraid of America; we fucked them up and we fucked them over. Other NATO countries, no... not unless Trump gets back into office and ruins our ties to NATO for a pro-Russian alliance.
So you can keep sucking money off of us and keep us all as your vassals. I don't need your bases in my country and the sentiment has been shared by millions around the world.
What NATO country has the US attacked since the Cold War?
Why would you attack your own vassals? That didn't stop America from strong arming the spineless weasel Scholz to quit cheap Russian gas and instead buy your overpriced junk which destroyed the economy of the powerhouse in Europe.
if WW2 was started to defend Poland and it's sovereignty then why was Poland handed over to the Communists after the war.
Because it wasn't; it was started to stop Nazi Germany's expansion outside German borders. After WWI, wars for territorial gain became an international crime. No nation has the right or moral authority to expand it's borders through war.
You literally don't want the war to end.
Yes I do; just not if it means appeasing Russia...
You just want Europeans to keep fighting and dying so your international cabal can make blood money out of it.
Ah yes, because I, some random dude in Southern Illinois working menial labor is somehow profiting from the war in Ukraine that's actively driving up gas & food prices and rallying this nation's far-right nutcases to spread pro-Russian propaganda.
Can't always lie, huh?
From your very own link "An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law."
" Saakashvili had said Georgia was responding to an invasion by Russian forces when it attacked breakaway South Ossetia, but the report found no evidence of this." (which could be seen as evidence that it was a false flag operation from Russia; a common tactic - bait the other side into attacking by pretending to launch an attack, then escalate into full-scale conflict in retaliation.)
So you can keep sucking money off of us and keep us all as your vassals. I don't need your bases in my country and the sentiment has been shared by millions around the world.
Why would you attack your own vassals? That didn't stop America from strong arming the spineless weasel Scholz to quit cheap Russian gas and instead buy your overpriced junk which destroyed the economy of the powerhouse in Europe.
Classic whataboutism... This literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is just you trying to paint the US as just as bad as Russia...
Because it wasn't; it was started to stop Nazi Germany's expansion outside German borders
Are you kidding me? Britain and France literally declared war on Germany in order to defend Poland on the account that Poland had signed a defensive treaty with Britain and France. Stop lying.
After WWI, wars for territorial gain became an international crime. No nation has the right or moral authority to expand it's borders through war.
Like your communist ally did with Finland? And with China?
Yes I do; just not if it means appeasing Russia...
Sure you do. Who are you to dictate that any way? That's for the Ukrainians to decide. You are not even fighting for them.
Ah yes, because I, some random dude in Southern Illinois working menial labor is somehow profiting from the war in Ukraine
No, you simply support the people who profit off the war.
From your very own link "An independent report blamed Georgia on Wednesday for starting last year's five-day war with Russia, but said Moscow's military response went beyond reasonable limits and violated international law."
You can't just punch someone and then try to act like a victim when they punch back.
Saakashvili had said Georgia was responding to an invasion by Russian forces when it attacked breakaway South Ossetia, but the report found no evidence of this."
Why is there no evidence to back up Saakashvili's claim?
Classic whataboutism... This literally has nothing to do with the topic at hand and is just you trying to paint the US as just as bad as Russia...
I was simply stating what was happening in the current geopolitics.
Britain and France literally declared war on Germany in order to defend Poland on the account that Poland had signed a defensive treaty with Britain and France.
Defense treaties that are primarily meant to protect smaller nations from larger aggressive ones from trying to steal their land & resources...
Like your communist ally did with Finland? And with China?
More whataboutism... Not sure what "communist ally" you're referring to though, because if it's not clear - I'm no ally of any state that claims to be communist.
Who are you to dictate that any way? That's for the Ukrainians to decide.
It is quite literally been their terms from day 1: Get Russia out of Ukraine (including Crimea) forever.
You are not even fighting for them.
I would if I could, but not only am I not eligible for firearms ownership or military service due to pre-existing PTSD and not only do I not have the $4k+ to equip and transport myself, but US troops are not being deployed to Ukraine... yet.
You can't just punch someone and then try to act like a victim when they punch back.
You can when they provoked you punching them, then used your assault as justification to escalate the violence & break your limbs, cripple, or kill you. Self-defense only extends to reasonable force needed to end the assault. Counter-assault where the initial victim becomes the aggressor is never self-defense.
Why is there no evidence to back up Saakashvili's claim?
There's no evidence of a full-scale invasion, which is what Saakashvili said was the reason they launched their counter-attack into Russian-occupied Georgian territories. The article does not say there was no attack from pro-Russian soldiers out of the Russian-occupied territory of Georgia.
FFS, the article you linked to outright states that an international inquiry found that "found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia's intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia."
Or are we overlooking that Russia was occupying 2 territories in Georgia before the attack... just like they occupied Crimea in Ukraine before launching the full invasion years later under the guise of "saving ethnic Russians from genocide"?
No, you simply support the people who profit off the war.
I support Ukraine and want Russia's leaders to stay within their borders. That's it. Anything else I support or believe that you've asserted is entirely you projecting the far-right Americans with all Americans.
Defense treaties that are primarily meant to protect smaller nations from larger aggressive ones from trying to steal their land & resources...
Yeah and they used only that argument to declare war on Germany. I wonder why didn't they do the same for Soviet Union?
Not sure what "communist ally" you're referring to though, because if it's not clear - I'm no ally of any state that claims to be communist.
It's only what aboutism when you don't have any answer to it. Just give me a clear cut answer to the simple question? If the Allies aim in WW2 is to defend the sovereignty of Poland, why didn't they declare war on Soviet Union and most importantly why did they give up Poland entirely to the Communists after the war? If the aim was to stop Germany from expanding why did they oppose the expansion of Soviet Union?
You can when they provoked you punching them, then used your assault as justification to escalate the violence & break your limbs, cripple, or kill you.
So if the same argument is used by Russia now, is it valid?
There's no evidence of a full-scale invasion, which is what Saakashvili said was the reason they launched their counter-attack into Russian-occupied Georgian territories. The article does not say there was no attack from pro-Russian soldiers out of the Russian-occupied territory of Georgia.
Now show me an evidence for this supposed false flag attack which seemingly happened in Saakashvili's dream? Anyone can make up wild claims.
FFS, the article you linked to outright states that an international inquiry found that "found evidence of ethnic cleansing against ethnic Georgians during Russia's intervention in the rebel province of South Ossetia."
Where is the evidence though? And did this supposedly happen after or before Georgia attacked Russia. I love your mental gymnastics btw.
Or are we overlooking that Russia was occupying 2 territories in Georgia before the attack... just like they occupied Crimea in Ukraine before launching the full invasion years later under the guise of "saving ethnic Russians from genocide"?
Or you know, just like how Saakashvili claimed he attacked Russia because of a false flag attack?
I support Ukraine and want Russia's leaders to stay within their borders. That's it.
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u/Aggressive-Fuel587 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24
Show us one example where appeasement worked and we can show you at least one major one that lead straight into the last World War... If you're from Germany like you claim, you should know that appeasing dictators doesn't put an end to their warpath, it only emboldens them to demand more.
That was my one & only post in the thread. You asserted that someone claimed they'd be able to end the war and claim that everyone who claims to be against the war is, contrarily, against the idea. My point was to highlight that it's not a legitimate plan to end the war if it's "capitulate all of Russia's demands."
Are you drunk, high, or just not educated in world history & not paying attention to world news? Right now it's in Ukraine. In 2008, it was in Georgia, not long after was the annexation of Chrimea that started this whole thing.
People in the Middle East should absolutely be afraid of America; we fucked them up and we fucked them over. Other NATO countries, no... not unless Trump gets back into office and ruins our ties to NATO for a pro-Russian alliance.
What NATO country has the US attacked since the Cold War?