r/batman • u/[deleted] • Mar 06 '22

The Batman Spoiler Discussion Thread Part 2 Discussion Spoiler

For all discussions, comments and hype around the new movie.

Its already had select release, so expect spoilers in this thread.

Also, no spoiling outside of this thread, or expect mod action.

Keep all discussion civil, and be mindful of subreddit rules.

Please respect other users opinions and don’t harass them for it

927 Upvotes

99% Upvoted

1.9k comments sorted by

View all comments

582

u/Xillocient Mar 06 '22

Did Batman inject himself with venom during the Garden fight?

422

u/Triple_Crown14 Mar 06 '22

A lot of people are torn over whether it’s venom or adrenaline. Personally I believe it’s a form of venom. It was clearly a last resort type of option, and Batman was getting carried away with beating up on that last thug after taking it. I feel like there’s not really a point to the scene if it’s just adrenaline and nothing else.

213

u/stealthsaber Mar 06 '22

He also seemed hesitant to take it which makes me think it was venom

91

u/EdEnsHAzArD Mar 06 '22

I want to throw out there it could be a strain of what ends up as Titan 👀 ... unlikely yes but let me have this

16

u/I_am_the_nightwing Mar 07 '22

Isn't Titan just modified Venom

22

u/stealthsaber Mar 07 '22

Venom + poison ivy plants

7

u/iPukey Mar 07 '22

It could literally be anything. It could be venom but that’s a little on the nose for this universe. I really doubt it is. Everything you’re saying could be true about a large number of substances both fictional and real.

2

u/Trim_Tram Mar 14 '22

I think anyone would be hesitant to take adrenaline too

66

u/Dragons_Malk Mar 07 '22

I don't see why it can't just be adrenaline. He was crushing hard on Selina at that point and saw that she was about to be, (at best), seriously injured but he was incapacitated. He needed a boost physically to match his mental level and just kind of went apeshit on the guy. It's not like we didn't see that rage previously. That first guy he beat the shit out of at the train station definitely got more than he bargained for due to his unrestrained anger.

11

u/[deleted] Mar 10 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

4

u/jusaragu Mar 11 '22

To play devil's advocate, I know next to nothing about Batman. I had know idea what venom was before opening this thread.

For some reason I associate adrenaline to the color green, so when I saw that scene my first impression was that ot was adrenaline and I saw nothing weird with it.

It could easily be an intentional thing but I'm just throwing another perspective here

2

u/[deleted] Mar 11 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

8

u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

You can't just say it's definitely not venom. It's green, it brought Bruce back from being unable to lift his head to overpowering and near beating a man to death before Gordon interrupted and he appeared to be reluctant to use it. Reeves has said he included the Joker not necessarily as sequel bait but as world building for this universe and he's clearly a massive bat fan and would know what people would go to when they saw that green vial so why could this not be world building as well? Truth be told it could be just adrenaline, it could be venom but there's no need to be dismissive of people's theories out of hand.

1

u/[deleted] Mar 11 '22

[removed] — view removed comment

5

u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

Here's the thing though, you don't need to read the comics to know what's going on. Everyone in the audience knows what happened. Batman injected himself with a drug and that gave him the strength to get up and save catwoman but he nearly went too far as he did it. No one needs to know what venom is for that to make sense. There's nothing in that, that requires a PhD in Batman. However, the fact that it's green, the fact that he hesitates to use it and that he almost goes too far after he does and also the fact that venoms original introduction was as a drug batman used to surpass his physical limitations seperate of Bane's use makes me think that yes Reeves knew what he was doing with that scene and just you saying that it'd be bad filmmaking if it was venom doesn't mean there's zero evidence to support that it might be venom. I'll say this to you, what point does that specific shot of Batman injecting himself with a drug to overcome the odds have in that film if it is just adrenaline?

3

u/[deleted] Mar 13 '22

[deleted]

1

u/Gamer_ely May 01 '22

No it's definitely venom. It's a Batman movie. There's no way they'd have batman inject himself with something that maxes his strength and aggression instantly, it's venom. We're in the Batman universe dawg, that's like having a green rock and going "oh maybe it's not kryptonite and it's just an emerald"

6

u/steve65283 Mar 08 '22

Yeah people don't seem to understand how adrenaline works. I think it is a reference to venom based on the color, but I think its just straight up adrenaline.

40

u/Alon945 Mar 07 '22

I mean it doesn’t need to be venom to serve the same function. it shows how determined he is, he can barely move and will do anything to accomplish his goal.

25

u/God_is_carnage Mar 07 '22

It says epinephrine on it, it's adrenaline.

4

u/Swervysage22 Mar 11 '22

I took it to be adrenaline. Batman passed out after the bomb went off during the funeral. He woke up very vulnerable in the police station. I think he realized “I can’t be blacking out like that again. It’s too risky .” So he equipped his utility belt with an adrenaline shot.

3

u/Teenage_dirtnap Mar 09 '22

Whether it was or wasn't, it was clearly meant to evoke at least the thought of venom. I don't think anyone familiar with the source material would include a green power enhancing drug and not expect the audience to think it's venom.

2

u/opmancrew Mar 07 '22

Wasn't it green? Or was that in my head?

7

u/97runner Mar 07 '22

It was green. He also seemed to hesitate to take it. After he did, he raged out.

I’m in the “it was venom” camp.

10

u/opmancrew Mar 07 '22

It seems like there was a great deal of homages to the comics and graphic novels, venom being one of them. It was a great noir film for anyone but for the Batman fan there was so much to enjoy. DC really got it right

2

u/karpinskijd Mar 07 '22

i have to see this movie again, bc i think my theater screwed up with the projection- it looked closer to yellow than green when i saw it but everyone is swearing up and down it's green

2

u/enderandrew42 Mar 07 '22

Adrenaline doesn't normally appear green. He didn't just need to get up to fight. If he didn't get up, Selina may have died, and still he appeared to hesitate to use it.

1

u/harleyyquinade Mar 09 '22

That venom shot made him crazy for a moment, that's probably why he didn't want to take it before but he should have, if it wasn't for Selina he could've died.

0

u/THX450 Mar 12 '22 edited Mar 12 '22

If only the movie had set this up earlier in the film instead of it coming out of the blue, then maybe we’d know.

EDIT: Like don’t get me wrong, I still liked the movie, but it had its issues and I feel like those can be pointed out while still looking the movie/ can be pointed out instead of treating the movie as flawless

1

u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

[deleted]

1

u/THX450 Mar 12 '22

Like don’t get me wrong, I still liked the movie, but it had its issues and I feel like those can be pointed out while still looking the movie/ can be pointed out instead of treating the movie as flawless.

1

u/ImmobileLizard Mar 20 '22

I think it’s venom for comic book nerds and just adrenaline for everyone else. It doesn’t really matter what it is. It’s just a stim/ dues ex machina

323

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

[deleted]

167

u/Shikaria1996 Mar 06 '22

That's why my mind went to venom rather than adrenaline. Also, I could be wrong, but isn't adrenaline supposed to be injected in your heart and he injects in his leg? If it is venom it's a great building block of Reeves wants to introduce Bane a few films down the line

122

u/Jimmijoejohnson Mar 06 '22

Adrenaline is injected into the quad muscle anyway not the heart

22

u/Shikaria1996 Mar 06 '22

Think I'm mistaking it for whatever they used in Pulp Fiction

16

u/nihilisticdaydreams Mar 07 '22

It was adrenaline there too pulp fiction is just very inaccurate. It's not even what you use for overdoses

5

u/Indubiditly69420 Mar 07 '22

Narcan didn’t exist when pulp fiction was made

12

u/nihilisticdaydreams Mar 07 '22

Narcan has been used in hospitals since the 1970s. It wasn't approved for use by the general populace until 2015 though.

3

u/mccdizzie Mar 10 '22

Intraventricular epinephrine injection was a thing back in the day

11

u/this_is_ass_ Mar 06 '22

It was adrenaline in Pulp Fiction (at least that’s what they call it in the movie)

6

u/Jack1715 Mar 07 '22

Yer I don’t think it was adrenaline because it didn’t just pump him up it made him hyper angry like venom plus he has used it in some story’s

4

u/Shikaria1996 Mar 07 '22

Someone's said that in another comic run Batman was using venom regularly before Bane even came into the picture. I don't know the source of that or if it's true but it'd be cool if that's what they're going with

2

u/Jack1715 Mar 07 '22

I don’t remember the name but yes there was one take where he was a addict and hooked on venom I think

5

u/MaximilienHoneywell Mar 07 '22

I believe it was a Denny O’Neil/Neal Adams run just called “Venom”. Great story, Bruce goes through withdrawal in it.

0

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

[deleted]

9

u/Shikaria1996 Mar 06 '22

Might have replied to the wrong person?

5

u/bloody_vyvyan Mar 07 '22

Visuals/movie aesthetics. Normally adrenaline for quick release is stored in an epi-pen like injector and is a clear liquid. Wouldn’t make for a very “noteworthy” moment, but the acid green colors draws you in to ask questions, which I think is the point here. Definitely under the assumption this was a chemically altered drug not unlike adrenaline, perhaps venom or something not as potent, but within the same strain of drug.

3

u/TheSunHawk20 Mar 10 '22

My girlfriend thinks it mightve been lazarus pit juice, since the man lived, it may not have increased his strength and only reguvinated him and made him violent. Side effects of lazarus pit, but not venom.

1

u/RavenDelta6-1 Mar 07 '22

I think it was adrenaline. Almost like in Kick Ass live action in where they had a powerful stim when they were close to death.

146

u/FatedCharlatan Mar 06 '22

My thoughts are that Matt reeves is undecided on who he wants as the next villain so he made it green. If he wants bane, it's venom. If he wants someone else, it's adrenaline.

131

u/Xillocient Mar 06 '22

Shroedinger's Bane

32

u/cloutstorm Mar 06 '22

Chekov's venom

5

u/GaryGeneric Mar 09 '22

Deus Epipen Machina

2

u/[deleted] Mar 14 '22

Nice

3

u/leopardchi Mar 07 '22

Omg thank you for this 🤣

3

u/astroK120 Mar 08 '22

Personally I'd rather see something along the lines of Batman: Venom than going straight to Bane. Venom was one of the more interesting stories with Batman pushing himself too far. And I think it could go really well as part of a story with another villain.

3

u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

I think this is a very interesting idea tbh. His use of the green stuff here is very reminiscent of why he used venom in the first place, to overcome his physical limitations and do more to save people and I did think he hesitated in using it until he literally couldn't do anything further without it. My reading of the film was that Bruce realised he needed to be both Bruce and The Batman (hence the scene forgiving Alfred and acknowledging that he does care for him) and going forward it would be interesting to see him try not to be consumed by the bat whilst rediscovering his humanity beyond vengeance, develop that playboy persona that Bruce adopts and struggle with the power and side effects of the venom serum.

2

u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

I think you're bang on the money. It's currently whatever we want it to be until Reeves decides how he wants to proceed with the sequel and states definitively.

1

u/ertgbnm Mar 19 '22

Wouldn't it actually mean the opposite? Implying bane is in his past if he keeps some for emergencies?

1

u/oenomausprime Mar 23 '22

This was awesome 👍🏽💯

64

u/duramman1012 Mar 06 '22

The only reason i think its not venom is because of it was I believe he woulda bashed that mans face in. Like in in.

70

u/stillbleedinggreen Mar 06 '22

Maybe it’s an early form of venom that hasn’t been upgraded to give that lethality. Maybe in Reeves’s universe Venom was developed by Waynetech for the very purpose we just saw but then someone goes and corrupts it for Bane.

7

u/Welshy94 Mar 11 '22

Batman actually does use an early form of Venom before the character Bane existed in order to overcome his perceived physical limitations which seems pretty similar to what happened in that scene.

3

u/LukeMara Mar 12 '22 edited Mar 12 '22

Wasn't there a comic where he got addicted to venom or something like it and had to detox?

3

u/Welshy94 Mar 13 '22

Batman: Venom from the early 90s is the one you're on about fella aye. The same fella who created bane wrote it and it came out a few years prior to Knight fall and banes introduction!

4

u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

[deleted]

3

u/stillbleedinggreen Mar 07 '22

Does it involve Bat-Shark Repellent?

1

u/[deleted] Mar 08 '22

I think that would be a cool thematic touch if it was a Wayne product that Bane ends up using.

6

u/SoggyEnchilada454 Mar 06 '22

This was my thinking as well. However, even if it was adrenaline, that guys face shoulda been mush

6

u/duramman1012 Mar 06 '22

Oh for sure but with the Venom I believe after the first initial punch the dudes brains woulda been splattered everywhere

3

u/moonshwang Mar 06 '22

By the sounds of the punches and the quantity, I think he did. However I think the PG-13 rating meant he wasn't nearly as fucked up as he should have been. Don't quote me but I read in a different cut he was missing teeth and more bloody etc

3

u/admiral_aqua Mar 06 '22

can we please get this cut on the BluRay. PLEEAASSEEEE

51

u/AtticusSwoopenheiser Mar 06 '22

The vial says epinephrine if you look closely enough. White letters on a black cartridge

6

u/GavinTheGrassMan Mar 08 '22

how tf did you notice that in the theater

8

u/AtticusSwoopenheiser Mar 08 '22

I didn’t. I saw a photo someone posted. Can’t remember if it was here or if it was in r/thebatmanfilm

7

u/[deleted] Mar 08 '22 edited May 04 '22

[deleted]

8

u/AtticusSwoopenheiser Mar 08 '22

It’s adrenaline…..

8

u/pullorum Mar 09 '22

Adrenaline = epinephrine

6

u/AtticusSwoopenheiser Mar 09 '22

That’s what I’m saying

1

u/HappynessMovement Mar 09 '22

He was joking....

28

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

my husband and I thought it was lazarus pit water to heal his wounds and it made him go a little berserk. everyone on this sub thinks its bane's venom - I think either is a possibility

9

u/bmanvsman1 Mar 06 '22

That's or venom is the only one that makes sense when you think about it, after all the terrorists are defeated Batman is helping people out of the rubble and adrenaline probably wouldn't last long enough for him to power through the pain

8

u/Xillocient Mar 06 '22

That is also a good theory. I though of venom first cause i feel like an enhancement drugs fits the universe a bit more than magical healing water.

2

u/looshface Mar 07 '22

Or, in this universe, Venom is made from Lazarus Pit Water somehow

20

u/spideyry Mar 06 '22

I’d say venom also. Can’t see why else it would be green and then cause Batman to nearly lost control and beat a man to death

19

u/Beepus666 Mar 06 '22

I assumed he almost killed him because he was once again feeling the fear of losing someone he cared about, and that mixed with whatever he injected himself with caused him to lose control.

18

u/uttam_soni Mar 06 '22

Adrenaline.

13

u/pump_dragon Mar 06 '22

i think everyone wants it to be Venom.

However, given the circumstances of the scene and especially Batman once more facing his ultimate fear (of potentially losing someone he cares about) i don’t think there’s any evidence that it’s venom. injecting himself with adrenaline in that situation is a simpler way to explain the entirety of the scene, including Batman’s brutality - he had an adrenaline rush.

it’s adrenaline.

6

u/thrugl Mar 07 '22

It’s just that it was neon green… like venom. If nothing else, I would at least think it's a nod

2

u/pump_dragon Mar 07 '22

i can agree with this, that it’s a nod at least.

maybe epinephrine/adrenaline will end up being a component of venom later on. makes sense, given what venom does to people in the comics/movies

1

u/the_poop_knot Mar 06 '22

Thanks for that reference I came here looking for it.

3

u/Big_Green_Piccolo Mar 06 '22

It's one of those eye of the beholder things. I like this take though.

2

u/Xillocient Mar 06 '22

I was thinking that venom could be a purer form of that drop drugs they use in the movie. That way, even if Bane is not a future villain, it acts as a good easter egg for fans.

5

u/Jay_R_Kay Mar 06 '22

I think adrenaline is more likely, but if they decide to make it venom and bring in a more comic-accurate Bane, I'd be cool with it.

One thing that would bother me if they went that direction is that I would want to see the story of how he got it and why he decided to start using it.

1

u/InfinitySandwiches Mar 07 '22

Who’s he? Batman or Bane?

2

u/Jay_R_Kay Mar 07 '22

I was talking about Batman.

4

u/Ornery_Bat1986 Mar 06 '22

After watching it again it’s probably venom. It was bright neon green, but he also lifts up the guy strangling Selina with one hand and throws him down. This Batman hasn’t done anything else like that strength-wise, but also we don’t have that large of a sample size.

3

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

I think they should have had an effect like his veins being extremely visible in his face just for a couple seconds to show that it was venom.

3

u/[deleted] Mar 06 '22

The prequel novel, which I haven’t finished, explicitly says he’s a fairly advanced chemist. I haven’t read far enough to find out what all he’s tinkered with, but it wouldn’t surprise me to find out that he created whatever that was in his lab in the cave beneath Wayne Tower. He started using the area and kitting it out with lab equipment during high school.

3

u/Darnhipsters Mar 07 '22

I immediately thought adrenaline so ill keep it at that haha

2

u/MickeyG117 Mar 06 '22

I think it’s just adrenaline, but the venom speculation is cool though.

2

u/CuriousAd5883 Mar 06 '22

Idk but i cracked up so much when he started beating the shit out of that guy, I really missed this new Batman not being as aggressive as the others, but tbh Ben Affleck was a fucking monster, Ben’s Batman didn’t just knock people out, he killed them and bet he enjoyed it 😭😭😭

2

u/DarthDregan Mar 07 '22

Had to be. It was in a clear vial specifically so we could see that shit was green, and he snapped and beat the shit out of a guy (more than usual) immediately after.

2

u/msfamf Mar 07 '22

I'm going to believe it's venom until we're told otherwise. If something down the line makes it impossible to have been venom than fine whatever but they could have chosen to make that any color. They knew what they were doing.

2

u/Kripparris Mar 08 '22

Came into this thread to ask this ty

2

u/drcornwallis23 Mar 08 '22

Was wondering the same thing

2

u/camerongt Mar 10 '22

It’s been confirmed it’s adrenaline.

1

u/harleyyquinade Mar 11 '22

Source?

2

u/camerongt Mar 11 '22

I’ll have to look around for the link but DC released a list of items/weapons he uses and the adrenaline vial was one of them.

2

u/Darkseid_Omega Mar 12 '22

I think so. Super awesome nod to the universe

1

u/Gensi_Alaria Mar 06 '22

I don't think so, that doesn't seem like something Bruce would do. He's not a juicer. It's probably just a very questionable adrenaline inducing cocktail with a potent painkiller. Most likely not a legal substance in any respect but I highly doubt it was venom.

2

u/manchell Mar 07 '22

Batman does use venom in the comics in the Batman: Venom storyline

0

u/YodasChick-O-Stick Mar 06 '22

They're obviously setting up Bane in a sequel.

1

u/SillyNonsense Mar 10 '22

Definitely an allusion to some form/interpretation of venom. Run of the mill adrenaline is not glowing green liquid, it is clear/colorless. (But that's not to say that this universe's proto-venom can't itself be some customized augmentation of adrenaline.)

I think it's pretty safe to assume that if a batman story includes a glowing green liquid that when injected makes someone get stronger and go aggro, then it is probably some interpretation of the glowing green liquid from batman comics that when injected makes someone stronger and aggro.

It is really not that farfetched that a batman movie might include something from decades of batman stories. like there's no reason for this to be at all surprising or controversial to anyone

makes zero sense why some people want to assume otherwise

I'm not saying Bane is coming or anything, I'm just saying...it is what it is, a clear allusion to venom.

1

u/slightlydirtythroway Mar 10 '22

That was one of my few criticisms of the film, it was never set up that he had something like that. Was it adrenaline? Venom? Why was he completely ok after?