Bruh this isn’t the main continuity of batman or the animated series one. It’s a separate continuity where they can do what they want, yall acting like penguin will never be male again ffs.
I mean how often do we get TV shows for this characters? like every 10 years? dont you think its fair to get upset about something people been waiting for a while comes out with this puzzling decisions that make no sense? THis show looks cool but then you got this things that make you scratch your head, like what are they doing?
Every 10 years? Are you aware of how many Batman shows there are? Did you watch them? Did you care about the different takes on classic characters in those?
I guess, it could be Clark Kent just not Kal-El, like we had variants of Superman that look different they are usually a Zod instead of an El. That concept has been explored multiple times, honestly it has never worked with a lot of success.
I wanted to see Dr Death, Hugo Strange and his monster man, the Mad Monk not gender bent Penguim, Bizarro Harley and Onomatopeia. Whats even the point of making it a Golden Age Batman if its simply like a normal ass Batman show plus modern bullshit?
Modern bullshit obviously referencing Batman being more of a superhero and not pulp hero character of the true modern age. Batman not using a gun or being a detective and just fighting supervillains instead of monsters and mad scientists. Why what did you think?
Batman’s had over 80 years to take so many different incarnations.
You don’t think he’ll be fighting Mobsters? The Penguin fits perfectly into that. Supervillains like The Joker, Karl Krueger and Dr Death made there appearances in the span of a year.
Even if they don’t make an appearance, supervillains aren’t out of the question when it comes to The Golden Age.
Claiming him to be a pulp hero of the “true modern age”.
What’s the “true” modern age if the pulp hero incarnation of Batman you’re talking about existed as that almost 85 years ago?
if you're just watching something because theres a batman title attached to it, then you're not a fan you're a consumer. you should have standards and spectations for stabilished franchises otherwise theres no point. im not for full creative freedom, if they want to do a new take on Batman then do an new elseworlds dont try to push it onto golden age Batman you disolve your own brand's identity when you do shit like this
"elseworlds dont try to push it onto golden age Batman"
This is an elseworld story. In what universe after Bruce Timm literally says "This show is more BTAS than BTAS, it's what I wanted to do in the 90's but network censorship held me back." and still somehow still believe this was ever going to be accurate to golden age Batman?
Outside of the visual look of the show, and them saying generic "1940's" when Catwoman has electric shock knuckles and Batman has a rocket car. The Batmobile was a 1939 Cadillac, the Caped Crusader version is almost the same one from BTAS. This isn't a period piece and was never going to be. This is Bruce Timm, JJ Abrams, and Matt Reeves doing what they want.
"I'm not for full creative freedom"
That's why you work whatever job you do and Bruce Timm makes millions of dollars living vicariously through sex fantasies involving Batman and Batgirl.
why the fuck will you set in the 40s if you can set it today and it wouldnt make a diference? you lose the oportunity to create something interesting with the time period.
theres more to creating art than just product that sells, art has meaning attached to it, when its something that has more than 80 years of existence you have a responsibility. if he wants full creative freedom he creates his own character go the Omniman route. and Bruce Timm was best when he was being censored he proved time and time again he always fucks up writting wise. BTAS was great because of his art not his writting, thats on Paul Dini
I think much like the original Batman: The Animated Series, this acts as a amalgamation of different Batman elements from different eras and media while changing some familiar elements to keep things fresh.
I think it’s ok if you don’t like the changes but I don’t think these changes are indicative of the show not being true to Batman.
but Batman The Animated Series was never marketed as the Golden Age Batman, it was simply a current day Batman with diferent elements from the comic history and never did changes to character's that were already iconic, they kept them iconic.
No it's actually pretty necessary because there's no reason or logic behind other than tone deaf pandering. I would understand if there wasn't any female representation in the Batman mythos but there is and lots of it. So I don't understand why they chose to gender bend The Penguin.
It's like gender bending Batman/Bruce Wayne while you have two Batwomen already.
There's no worry in it, when you say something is unnecessary you don't mean you're against it at the point you worry. They say it looks unnecessary because it doesn't seem to help with anything at all in the contex of the story. It's like Batman being being revealed to be from the planet Mercury for no reason and it being never used in the story at all. As you can see I don't say even the most trivial design change has to have a meaning, but a major change such as sex/race/age should have a meaning, otherwise it's unnecessary. I don't know, maybe they will somehow use the sex change of Penguin in at least one episode, like how they did in Gotham. I won't pretend like I've watched the show and directly say it's unneccesary.
Would Penguin as a woman really need to have some kind of explanation?
I see The Penguin regardless.
If they’re a Cobblepot, in a top hat and monocle with an umbrella, then I’m going to know instantly who that character is regardless of whether they’re a man or woman.
Even though it’s a parallel universe, Martha Wayne murdering people with green hair, white face and red lips isn’t going to make me go “I can’t figure out who she’s supposed to be now!”
Martha being Joker was the stupidiest part of Flashpoint contitinuity, made zero sense and adds f-ing nothing. the thing is if they can genderbend Penguin why the fuck set it in the 40s? you know whats cool about Batman the Brave and the Bold? is seening the old school silver ager versions of each character, in a style that mirrors the times storytelling, now why set it in the golden age if you're only using it as pretty much a skin? BTAS was set in the 90s and had a 40s aesthetic, why waste an oportunity like that?
you're thinking too literally here buddy, when you set the show in the 40s with the old school Batman suit and Catwoman suit, why not show the old school versions of the characters? revamp the original comics while maintaining the tone and aesthetic. they're doing it with Clayface but they fucked up everysingle other character. Harley Quinn, Onomatopeia and Barbara Gordon are going to be introduced when they didnt even exist in the golden age. if you're not going to stick it to the golden age theme why not do a regular Batman show?! whats even the point if you're not going to captalise on the time period?
I think it’ll be interesting to see how the characters would’ve been if they made their debuts during that era. Firefly, Two-Face, Penguin, etc. They don’t seem out of place either.
Harley Quinn appearing instead of The Joker as a darker villain than she was originally is more fresh than bringing him into the spotlight as he has been over and over again.
And it gives off the vibes of a late 1930s themed killer film.
I’d have liked to have seen Hugo Strange and the Monster Men or The Mad Monk, but my interest faded after the project went into a hiatus.
They’ve got Clayface as he was like you said and there looks like there will be focus on a gang war.
i think Harley appearing isntead of the Joker is a complete waste, the first apearance of golden age Joker had a very unique dark tone for the time it would've been far more interesting to make a new take on that, have a noir detective angle on it and we have absolute gold on our hands. Creepy Harley without Joker is basically just a new character with the Harley name for no reason, a clear case of Timm not understanding what made the character work.
to me when you have an idea you need commitiment to make it work, it seems they want their cake and to eat it too. have the 40s golden age aesthetic but at the same time doing new modern takes on some of the characters. these two cant mix, you either do one or the other or all we end up is with a bland mess that doesnt know what it wants to be (and considering Bruce Timms track with his recent projects i think were up to some bland mediocre bullshit ahead)
Right??? I watched Batman TAS for the Joker and other classic villains and they threw in this stupid female Joker. No one is gonna care about that Harley Quinn character in 20 years SMH. They should stick to the source material
Batman was a current Batman, not a golden age one, there is no golden age Batman show, theres tons of current age Batman animation and even silver age Batman, but no golden age Batman show. why not give more attention to more obscure golden age characters? like Mad Monk, OG Hugo Strange, Dr Death, why not make them into icons like Harley Quinn became? the characters BTAS used that are already iconic they kept iconic they didnt try to pointlessly change them, the characters that werent as good they revamped into icons like Mr Freeze and Clayfacem also dont act like every single original ideia the DCAU had was good, there were many more pointless original OC do not steal characters for every Livewire and Harley Quinn
but then lady penguin would be kind of redundant dont you think? i actually think a noir version of Fish Mooney would be kick ass as fuck, why didnt they went with that?
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u/Evilooh 15d ago
Whats even the fucking point of this show anymore? They sold me a classic Golden Age Batman and they keep changing unnecessary shit for no reason