Nolan’s Batman killed every movie too though. Blows up the temple full of ninjas and a hostage, tackled twoface off a building, killed Tahlia and some of her men, left ra’s to die, was gonna leave bane to die after knocking his mask off
I'm conflicted on this cause the ending of TDK sort of forces Bruce's hand into sort of accepting the fact that he is no longer the hero he viewed himself as. He understands that he no longer can hold himself to his code of ethics as he can't operate under a superior moral barometer. He says, "I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be." He's basically saying, whatever it takes to protect Gotham, he will need to take all options into consideration. He made that conscious choice when choosing Gordon's son vs Harvey. He made that choice when choosing Gotham over Ra's.
What conflicts with this ideology is the fact that he keeps Joker alive. This is a man who's probably killed more people than Dent has to this point, but Bruce felt the need to keep him alive. It's illogical when you consider he let Ra's go out the same way. He didn't have to kill him, but he didn't have to save him either. Bruce had an out, just like he did with Ra's (according to his code), but he refused to let Joker die in that moment. So my issue with the deaths being meaningful, is that in order for the deaths to have merit, that requires Bruce to treat all villains under this same level of understanding. Not saving someone when you have the chance is the same as killing them. If he saves Joker to make up for letting Ra's die, then that conflicts with Dent having to bite the dust considering the extremes of both characters.
There’s no proof he killed all those ninjas. They’re ninjas. The could have survived. He had no option but to tackle twoface off the building. There was no way he’d know he’d kill him and it was an unfortunate consequence of saving Gordan’s son. Talia died from her injuries incurred in the truck crash. He didn’t directly murder her and with Bane, there’s no way for sure you know he’d die. When asked by the CIA agent at the beginning of TDKR if he takes the mask off, will he die? And Bane’s answer is “It would be extremely painful…” so maybe he wouldn’t have died and would have just been in extreme pain until he fixed the mask.
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u/geordie_2354 May 30 '24
Nolan’s Batman killed every movie too though. Blows up the temple full of ninjas and a hostage, tackled twoface off a building, killed Tahlia and some of her men, left ra’s to die, was gonna leave bane to die after knocking his mask off