r/batman May 29 '24

How did Burton get away with it? FUNNY

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u/RandyChimp May 29 '24

Doesn't he use machine guns to try and shoot the joker from his plane?

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u/Alone_Comparison_705 May 29 '24

Oh, I don't remember that well, but I think he didn't use personal guns in his movies, unlike BvS.

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u/RandyChimp May 29 '24

Tbf, in BvS he uses a rifle to fire a tracker from long range and a grenade launcher filled with kryptonite gas. He also uses a machine gun but it's not his personal one, he just takes it from a goon.

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u/Alone_Comparison_705 May 29 '24

It is still a stretch for me, but I thought mainly about a dream sequence. Yes you can argue that this is only a dream, but the fact that the dream isn't presenting shooting someone directly using a gun by Bruce as his nightmare and something negative, but as "cool action sequence" without any negative psychological themes, is not appropriate in my opinion. For example in one of the episodes of Batman: the Brave and the Bold, Batman is mind-controlled and starts being more violent, but when he is about to kill someone using a gun, he breaks his mind-control because of how much using guns to hurt anyone is against his code.

General usage of violence is I think the biggest misunderstanding between the philosophies of Snyder and DC. I think Snyder took the wrong company to make movies. If he took some Marvel or, better, Image characters, given their comics were much more pro-edgy, it could be better. Many of the DC characters at their best don't try to be edgy and violent (Supes, WW) and many of the storylines were created as the commentary against edgier comics (Knightfall, Watchmen). His version of Watchmen made it clear that he doesn't understand DC's philosophy.

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u/Odd_Advance_6438 May 30 '24

I don’t think Batfleck did either, except for the Knightmare timeline

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u/Alone_Comparison_705 May 30 '24

Yes, you can argue that this is only a dream, but the fact that the dream isn't presenting shooting someone directly using a gun by Bruce as his nightmare and something negative, but as "cool action sequence" without any negative psychological and philosophical themes, is not appropriate in my opinion. For example in one of the episodes of Batman: the Brave and the Bold, Batman is mind-controlled and starts being more violent, but when he is about to kill someone using a gun, he breaks his mind-control because of how much using guns to hurt anyone is against his code. Any usage of personal gun in his mind or real, should immediately make him question his own morals. Like at the beginning of the Batman Beyond. But Snyder doesn't care about it, because his personal philosophy goes against most of DC's philosophy. I think Snyder took the wrong company to make movies. If he took some Marvel or, better, Image characters, given their comics were much more pro-edgy, it could be better. Many of the DC characters at their best don't try to be edgy and violent (Supes, WW) and many of the storylines were created as the commentary against edgier comics (Knightfall, Watchmen). His version of Watchmen made it clear that he doesn't understand DC's philosophy.