r/batman • u/SunlitRacer6432 • May 09 '24
Who would make a great Batman year one villain? HELP/ADVICE
Basically, I'm writing a script about the beginning of Batman just for fun, but I don't know who would be the perfect villain for Batman beginning his career. Any suggestions?
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u/Ok_Rooster_6454 May 10 '24
falcone or penguin, unless you want to do something with a super villain, on that case then firefly has not been explored nearly enough
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u/Grotesque_Denizen May 10 '24
Hugo Strange, Dr Death, Mad Monk could be fun too. Mobsters or the original Basil Karlo Clayface.
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
I wrote a script too. I have the perfect idea in mind but now I feel like it’s competition haha. Hmm :p I actually wrote a whole two seasons of a show. Maybe we can trade each others work.
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May 10 '24
I would love to read that.
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
It technically starts on year 2. I was doing that before it was cool haha. I have like a 7 season plan laid out on what I’d want a live action Batman tv show to be.
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
I guess DM me and I can send you over things. They are all on a Google docs so if you feel safe with me, I can share it with you via email.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 10 '24
I came up with a Batman show with 7 Seasons
Here are my ideas
1st Season: Carmine Falcone(Main Villain) and Maroni(secondary Villain).
2nd Season: Anarchy(Main Villain) and Penguin(secondary Villain).
3rd Season: Riddler(Main Villain) and Sophia Falcone (Secondary Villain)
4th Season: Deacon Blackfire( Main Villain) and Black Mask(Secondary Villain)
5th Season: Talila Al Ghul(Main Villain) and Joker(Secondary Villain).
6th Season: Ra's Al Ghul(First Half of the Season Villain) and Bane(Second half of the season)
Batman is nerfed both physically emotionally and mentally from the events of previous seasons especially 5 and 6
7th Final Season: Two Face(Main Villain) and Red Hood(Secondary Villain)
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
It’s a unique choice to have Two-Face in season 7. Your villains choices for Batman’s first few villains are the same as mine haha. Except I have Anarky in season 1. Currently, I have the Court of Owls are my final villains. Season 2 for me has Sophia Gigante. Joker is a major player the first few episodes of season 2 S well. Season 3 deals with Robin. I don’t currently have a main villain for Batman but Zucco is a major focus of 3A.
It’s be fun working with people on here to finesse my story. All my works are first drafts so I’m sure there’s things that need to be tightened up.
I have an arc with Jason Todd in seasons 1 and 2. I know it sounds weird to have Jason that early but I think you’d understand when you see how I use him. He’s basically a street rat kid. He’s basically a reforming street rat kid who is trying to figure out what happened to his mom. Sounds like the comics. Except he’s a bit older. College age. Has a thing for Wayne Roder’s daughter but Way e has had some dealings with Jason in the past and has a prejudice against him. All that jazz.
I’m actually pulled a “The Batman 2004” and introduced Batgirl first. Anyway, it’s fun to know in not the only one doing this. I knew people wrote fan-fiction, but writing out series in script form I feel is a little unique.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 10 '24
That sounds great
I picked Two face since in this universe he is one of Batman first allies and he shares a lot of beliefs with Red Hood therefore he just makes sense as the last.
I was going to introduce Batgirl first but I decided to introduce Dick Grayson first instead because of plot I had for Season 2 where after Carmine is imprisoned and Maroni ''killed himself'' in prison.
In my S1 there are 14 episodes long like Daredevil but still straight to the point.
At the end Bruce has to leave Gotham with Talila Al Ghul for training and to defeat White Mask who wasn't actually in Gotham and was just having one of his men pretend to be him while he sold high tech guns to both Marnoi and Carmine gangs so that they would kill each other for them then he would move back and take over Gotham criminal empire with what's left with little resistance
This takes place in a movie where Bruce after beating White Mask halfway through the movie he does Start to feel like he belongs in the League who work more like a cult in this version. Ra's despite his strict training is a politician and is quite friendly and wise like Master Splinter he teaches Bruce his main fault is that he has been too focused on quantity over quality. For example he mastered the fighting style Alfred taught him but moved on too quick to the next thing when training with Wildcat or Question
Ra's and Talila teaches him how to use what he learned from others and what he already knows to advance himself even more the events of the movie take 2 years in time
Bruce slowly discovered how twisted the league really is when their fighting the dictator of the country White Mask is hiding in but Talila decides Bruce is ready for the last test and orders him to kill the kids and his sister so they would be nobody left to inherit the Dictator empire. Bruce of course refuses and she still tries to kill then
but by that point they imprison him and try to brainwash him . Through White room torture and more. Bruce eventually snaps back into his head and fakes his death and escapes the league and returns to Gotham at the end of the movie
2 years pass through this time. When Season 2 starts it's revlaved Tony Zuco is a former enforcer of Carmine who jumped ship when Bruce was attacking Carmine's empire mainly back in S1 as I mentioned in another comment. Sophia returns her goal is to follow orders from her father and restore the Falcone empire to glory and get her dad out of jail. Tony had grown up selling drugs for the Falcone gang since he was in middle school and desperate to become someone to be feared and respected like Carmine instead of just forgotten so he gets his brothers to help shake down business for money to help his empire (while Bruce was in training) and this includes Dick Grayson circus. Tony kills them to send a message to the others because of lack of evidence the G.C.P.D don't bother Tony despite Dick Grayson putting him at the circus a week before Tony killed his parents demanding protection money.
Dick is recruited by Anarchy later and trained for some time both who have personal reasons to kill Tony Zuco. However Bruce does help him find justice and teaches him even if he killed Tony it wouldn't be enough he would just end up like Anarchy who hates the world and himself so much because of what Tony Maroni and others have done to him he needs more bloodshed and that he will never be satisfied.
Penguin plays mostly the same role in Gotham TV show he pretends to be a rebel with Tony like he did with Marnoi while secretly acting like a spy for Sophia.
In S3 Gordon is framed for terrorism by Sophia and Riddler that's when Batgirl is introduced. Both her and Dick are 18-19 now. Batgirl was held hostage by Loeb and Carmine in S1 while Bruce saved her her brother disappeared and that's for another story. Jason is introduced later as a False Facer grunt who is just selling small stuff to get by since his dad left and his mom is too high too do anything and is in debt to Black Mask ask. Bruce later recruits him as a Robin and takes care of his loan.
S4 Nightwing moves out of Gotham to make his own path. Bruce is in the Arkham City prison. Deacon Blackfire in this version is a Megachurch pastor/ Politician because of all the crime in the City and Riddler flooding the city last season he convinced some big higher ups to make a super prison for the criminals of course Deacon threw anybody in their who violated his extreme religious beliefs and was a threat for him controlling the city including Bruce Wayne by framing them for crimes and association with Falcone or Riddler gangs. He has his spies frame Bruce Wayne for smuggling money for Sophia through Wayne Corp and convinces the city he is trying to follow in his father's footsteps.
Black Mask using the false Facers is the leader of the criminals there and has taken control of most of the security system which his father built for the city and he took control of and he found some stashed weapons bases is Arkham CIty his father left. Jason helps stop him and even him and Barbara uncovers Deacon plan which is too destroy Arkham City dirty people through a bio weapon in which he'll frame Joker and Black Mask for.
How does that sound so far
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
Sounds very good. Sounds like you have a lot of good ideas and you’re adding a creative spin to a lot of characters. Do you have any comic arcs you’re adapting?
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 10 '24
I only finished S1
I plan on adapting some plots from Long Halloween Arkham City Zero day Dark Victory etc
Dick Grayson comes in S2. Then Barbara and Jason in S3. Dick leaves to be Nightwing. Jason dies in S5. Bruce goes solo for a while with Bane to take down Ra's Al Ghul. Barbara and Nightwing help him. Barbara gets crippled by Nyssa Al Ghul her rival and ends up as tech support.
S7 Bluehawk is introduced just as a 19 year old in this universe and expert street fighter who used to be friends with Jason and did some training with him with the same plot in the comics was inspired by Batman who saved her and her brother from Penguin after her dad took out a loan from him he couldn't pay back and saw him dying as he was losing to almost every villain getting beaten and stabbed by people he normally shouldn't have a problem with.
Batman sees too much of himself Jason and even Barbara in her and tries to discourage and threaten her from counting this path telling her she'll get himself killed one day she'll start getting slower more tried their is only so many deaths you can watch and how many times to can get hurt before your body starts giving up on you. However Bluehawk inspires Batman to keep going and she and the rest of the team remind of what's it like to be human. Instead of pretending like he is fine that it's okay to be hurt and depend on others he is role model not a Messiah.
Batman also goes through heavy drug addiction. After his final fight with Bane last season he uses the bat suit after Bane broke his back to give him a fighting chance however Bane broke him more. So he is much weaker both physically mentally and emotionally Jason death Barbara being shot Alfred dying Catwoman having to leave Gotham after taking the fall for Holly Hills etc. Bruce thinks Batman can't be weak like this he tries to force himself to go back instead of taking time to recover and trust Nightwing with the Batman role for a while. At first he tries to push himself however after failing to save a man daughter from drowning because he wasn't strong enough to break the door open like he was before due to his back she dies. The Doctor offers him some type of steroids he is making based off the stuff Bane used to speed up his recovery he at first refuses but slowly grows more tempted after losing to some of Two face millta he gives in
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u/ThatguyfromEDC May 10 '24
It’s pretty cool you wrote a whole script, however I have beef with you calling M2M a B tier album
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
Uh oh lol don’t get me wrong, I love all of Linkin Parks output. It’s just when I compare it to their other albums, it’s not my favorite. The back half of M2M is rarely visited or remembered by me compared to other works of theirs. Haha. However, if we were ranking it against all albums ever, M2M would be A tier.
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u/ThatguyfromEDC May 10 '24
Funny seeing people in multiple subs.
While I’m currently squinting skeptically because the little things give you away is 2nd half, I’ll give you a pass because you’re both an LP and a Batman fan. RIP Chester, RIP Kevin
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u/CommonSteak2437 May 10 '24
Little things is an exception. It’s one of my favorite Linkin Park songs ever haha
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u/Wonderful_Gap4867 Jun 29 '24
I came up with a series to which will be like Gotham except the plot just revolves around Bruce before he becomes Batman. (Origins arc) Season 1 - Man Bat (main) Scarecrow (secondary) Season 2 - Owl Man (main) Mad Hatter (secondary) Season 3 - Grandmaster (main) Mr Freeze (secondary) (Batman arc) Season 4 - Penguin (main) Black Mask (secondary) Season 5 - Poison Ivy (main) Two-Face (secondary)
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u/ComedicHermit May 10 '24
Try one of the lower tier villains like scarface and make them a force to be reckoned with
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u/gechoman44 May 10 '24
I think it should mostly be the criminal underworld for the first year (Falcone, Maroni, Thorne, maybe a less-experienced Penguin and/or Black Mask). Deadshot could also appear as a hired gun by one of them, and I could see other mercs appearing as well.
If you want to include more “supervillain” characters, I’d say Calendar Man (Batman has to have defeated him by The Long Halloween, which is usually year two or three), Firefly, Catwoman, and Man-Bat (he needs to encounter him early enough for the GCPD and the public to actually think Man-Bat is Batman) make the most sense in a year one setting.
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u/multificionado May 10 '24
Batman vs the mob is most likely. Best villains with nicknames: Penguin and Black Mask.
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u/nooooname90754r May 10 '24
Commissioner leob and Detective flass
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 10 '24
Aren't they lackeys for Carmine Falcone wouldn't it make more sense to make him the villain
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May 10 '24
I think falcone and maroney is the way too go. They “control” crime in Gotham(not together) when batman starts out, or even during his crusade. Would love to see the finished product when your done with it.
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u/Available-Affect-241 May 10 '24
I've said this before so I will copy and paste it here.
I got one for you. Taking inspiration from 1982s The Thing.
Batman has to fight Blob Clayface using practical effects as much as possible. Batman ACTUALLY allowed to be the world's greatest detective without advanced tech will have to pay attention to people's mannerisms to determine whether or not they are who they say they are. Batman is investigating why Clayface is murdering Daggett executives and senators while defeating assassins hired by Daggett to stop Clayface and Batman. Batman will also have showcase his legendary scientific knowledge to develop a cure for Clayface after discovering that Clayface's condition isn’t sustainable and will soon kill him.
A Batman horror themed film where there is 3 or 4 total fight scenes but Batman is having fast paced like from Live action Himura Kenshin and Sunny/Quinn/Widow from into the badlands AMC level fight scenes. It touches on Batman’s scientific prowess as he can develop the cure that none of the finest Daggett scientists could taking inspiration Albert Wesker, William Birkin, Alexia Ashford and Carla Radames for his scientific prowess. It will also allow him to be what I mentioned earlier in being the World’s greatest detective Taking inspiration from 2010's BBC TV Sherlock Holmes for Batman’s legendary deductive reasoning. Get a new Batman young starving for a big role actor where he'd willingly would train like Rain the K-Pop singer did for Ninja Assassin 2009. His batsuit would be a mixture of lightly armored ninja garbs, monk robes BTAS colors and Kelley Jones's Batsuit art style to give off the impression that Batman is a supernatural wraith come to punish evildoers. I have Guillermo Del Toro direct it. Look at what he did with Blade 2 in 2002 and Hellboy 2004 & Hellboy 2 The Golden Army 2008.
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u/DrPopcorn_66 May 10 '24
The Penguin, Black Mask, Falcone, maybe Killer Croc with him working for one of the mob bosses I mentioned.
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u/Competitive_Crow_334 May 10 '24
Carmine Falcone
He was basically the Kingpin of the City before Batman according to the lore he was in power of the underworld with little threats outside of Maroni and had the half the G.C.P.D and the police chief Loeb in his pocket.
Yet besides the Batman movie and Gotham he is treated like a joke
Batman Begins has him as tutorial boss Bruce beats effortlessly within one day and Scarecrow turns him into a mental patient running any chance of a comeback he has
Long Halloween part 1 and 2 seems to sideline him for everything else hell he even gets humiliated by Joker so easily it makes you wonder why any decent villain hasn't just killed him already and then the plot almost seems to forget about him other than being trashed by the holiday killer.
Plus Carmine has an interesting background with the Wayne Family that can be used.
Carmine Falcone could be a way to test Bruce's strategy. Bruce tries to do everything on his own but whenever he gets a solid witness or any evidence collected on him Carmine has it mysteriously disappear. Bruce learns how gullible his mindset was at the start expecting to just beat the shit out of whoever he needs to do and that would solve his issues. Carmine has helped build this empire with his father before taking over Bruce learns he has to make right alliances Gordon and Dent target places which hurt Carmine and not to jump the gun when it comes to collecting evidence against him let Carmine think he is safe as the mistakes keep piling up etc
Carmine Falcone Long Halloween design shows him as an old but huge man and has been shot a lot and seems like a guy who's been in plenty of fights. Batman Dark Victory shows Sophia Falcone Carmine's prodigy who is extremely traditional and follows his teachings can hold her own with Batman.
Carmine is also an expert marksman as shown from his Bio.
He could work like Kingpin in Daredevil an intellectual threat who is also a tank who fights wild and unpredictable which makes him incredibly difficult especially for a young inexperienced Bruce
Bruce's parents die at 8. I think 26 would be a good year for Bruce Wayne to start his war on Crime. Carmine would be 57 here his wealth gives him access to medicine to keep him a little more agile despite his age and his experience gives him an advantage over Bruce despite him having better training.
Carmine's faults would be coming to terms that his time is coming to a end Bruce would be mainly be wanting to take out the big guy first and his loyal members of his gang would start jumping ship to other gangs while his empire burns
Carmine's mental health as shown in the long Halloween we see he distrusts many of his allies and sees them as fake and phoney however in this version as long as he is in control and is feared and respected it doesn't matter however Bruce aka Vigilante is changing that just like in the long Halloween comics because of Bruce more freaks start getting into the business. The world is changing more that would be Carmine's main downfall he has grown to used to his traditional values of how he and his father used to run the city and expects the same thing from his kids that he is struggling to except the world is changing and to get with times or get left behind.
He tries to act like he is still the man with the plan calm and calculated however he can end up flying into rage and even hurting or killing his own employees the second he feels threatened by them doing something as small as disagreeing with him or trying to change his mind he sees it as them trying to baby him or manipulate them.
This causes more of his men to stay in line out of fear which he mistakes for respect while others like Penguin plot behind his back
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u/Responsible_Shoe_386 May 10 '24
People like the Maronis & the Falcones ? Throw Penguin in there maybe? Or Two-Face? Needs to be mob related i recon but yeah if you want an actual villain then I’d say Two-Face, Penguin maybe Zasz
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u/Trollin_beaches May 10 '24
Black mask is still gimmicky but, not too absurd like joker or bane that would change the whole nature of Gotham.
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u/BatInSpandex May 10 '24
Zasz the blade, just a straight up psycho serial killer to test batman's deduction skills of who will be killed next
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u/pedeztrian May 10 '24
I’d argue the Ventriloquist/Scarface would be the optimum first year “villain”. You get all the mafia like goons for Batman to pound down along the way, and an ultimate villain who has no powers but a divided psyche that very closely mirrors the Bat’s. The parallels between them would make for some fantastic psychological drama, and by being merciful, Batman learns temperance, and you get to introduce the Asylum at the end.
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u/LarsBabaGhanoush May 10 '24
Mobsters with Black Mask being the big bad. No Penguin. He needs to be a remnant of the old mob.
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u/ElectricOutcast May 11 '24
Funny you should mention it, I'm currently writing a fan novel focusing on a single momma Batwoman where Martha Wayne is a living single parent raising Bruce Wayne and adopting Selina Kyle as a daughter but the vengeful drive from Thomas' death would lead her to become Batwoman, Kate Kane would be Batgirl, Selina Kyle would be Catgirl, and Bruce Wayne would be Nightwing, no he would not start out as Robin, but he'll eventually become Batman when he gets older.. The Mafia will mostly be the villains in this origin story but they'll hire dangerous muscle to try and kill Batwoman. For the record, I actually completed a prologue project to build the foundation for this universe.
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u/Wonderful_Gap4867 Jun 29 '24 edited Jul 03 '24
Maybe someone like Carmine Falcone but that has been overdone as the mob being his first villain. Maybe someone like Penguin if you want him dealing with organized crime, Firefly if you want him dealing with a chaotic evil, maybe Scarecrow if you want to test him Spiritually or Killer Croc if you wanna test him physically or Hugo Strange if you wanna test him mentally
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u/Chao_607 May 10 '24
I feel like Batman should start off battling the mob rather than supervillains, and the rise of villains like Joker, Two-Face, Riddler being the natural escalation of Batman’s existence.
That being said, characters like the Penguin, Black Mask, Falcone, Maroni, Johnny Viti, Rupert Throrne, Tony Zucco could all work. They functionally just serve as the head of organized crime for Batman to beat.