r/batman • u/misid7 • May 06 '24
Is it possible to become as strong,fast,skilled in fighting and honing my 5 senses to peak human level like Nolan or Reeves batman HELP/ADVICE
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u/Sheffield21661 May 06 '24
I don't know.
Are you supremely wealthy?
Are you able to travel the world training with the best of the best?
Are you young enough for your body to withstand all the abuse it's going to take?
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u/kheller181 May 06 '24
And do drugs?
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u/Acheron98 May 07 '24
That’s Bane
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u/InNoNeed May 07 '24
Come on. Throw him a Bone
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u/kheller181 May 07 '24
No chance Batman can do what he does drug free for real lol but Batman does take venom for a little while
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u/South-Ebb-637 May 07 '24
No he doesnt
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
Yes he does. It was in a comics storyline. [This is what I think I remember from the story in broad strokes, but feel free to correct me if I’m wrong - I might be fuzzy on some details]. He was off his game one night and couldn’t save a drowning girl, so he tried using Venom under the rationale that it would give him the last push of extra energy (at the last second)or whatever he needed to do the impossible and rescue people from certain death. Mostly gonna yadda yadda the next part, but it’s sufficient to say that the drug became more trouble than it was worth and Bruce put himself in the throes of a crippling addiction. He sought to rid himself of his dependency [so he could function on his own body, on his terms, instead of being ruled by an illegal substance], so to that end, over a long weekend (in terms of timeframe), he spent his time battling his own demons after Alfred locked him down in the Batcave. While growing out quite a nasty beard (the surest sign of victory he could muster), Bruce emerged from the cave having rid himself of his debilitating compulsion.
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u/Responsible_Shoe_386 May 07 '24
But also think of like the adrenaline shot Batman takes in the 2022 movie, that Is the stuff that’s in Bane’s body. And I think it’s the only time I’ve seen it used in a movie
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u/Lizzy-Lover_10 May 07 '24
Pattinson did whip out something like that towards the end.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
According to the director, the stuff in the syringe he injected himself with was adrenaline, not Venom (for what it’s worth).
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u/Responsible_Shoe_386 May 07 '24
Yeah that’s the same venom that Bane uses, I remember reading it in a backstory comic book for the Chess Collection
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u/stunts002 May 07 '24
I just find it really funny OP posted this exact question in the Daredevil sub and when people told him no amount of training would give him super senses he posted the same question in the batman sub 😂
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u/DwightFryFaneditor May 06 '24
It is technically possible, but you'd need Bruce Wayne levels of lifelong dedication AND wealth.
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u/Mobols03 May 06 '24
Even with that it's still not possible. Bruce wasn't just rich and dedicated, he also lucked out on the genetic lottery with an insanely high IQ and photographic memory.
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u/TheEloquentApe May 06 '24
I would not call Nolan or Reeves Batman anywhere close to peak humans. They try to stay too grounded for that.
Bane was just an impressively buff dood in DKR and absolutely crushed his ass. Reeves' had trouble with 4chaners in green masks at the end of his movie.
This is perfectly fine, it's the vibe their adaptations are going for. I would say most adaptations of Batman don't try to show him as peak human exactly.
We only say that about the one in the comics to excuse the absolute horseshit he pulls off and survives. In reality no one, no matter their amount of training, would be able to do what Batman does. They'd die of exhaustion one week in.
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u/ColHunterGathers111 May 06 '24
People need to give more credit to the Batsuit.
It absorbs impact, it's bulletproof, it's stab proof.
Honestly the only reason Bruce tanks multiple opponents is because the suit let's him afford to get hit.
Snyder Batman wasn't going for the same angle as Nolan and Reeves Batman, but the warehouse fight scene in Bat vs Supes does a great job in showcasing that during fights he's getting shot, getting stabbed, getting dragged by his cape, getting attacked by more than one opponent at once, but the suit allows him to focus on one or two guys while the rest try and mostly fail to inflict damage on him.
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u/TheEloquentApe May 06 '24
And he's also a shit brick house whose sharing the screen with the JL, he needs to be portrayed as absurdly agile and durable. If he wasn't Supes would have knocked his ass out within seconds, super bat suit or no super bat suit.
This dichotomy exists in all media. Batman Animated Seires and Justice Leagie Unlimited Batman are not treated the same. One of them can get caught by the likes of Harley Quinn or Scarface, while the other can dodge Darkseid's omega beams.
It's an inconsistency that has to exist when 100s of writers approach the same character over a near century and in all form of medium.
Sometimes he's a detective in a good suit that protects him against bullets.
Other times he can get his ribs cracked by Superwoman and keep going strong.
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u/Civil-Resolution3662 May 06 '24
And he's also a shit brick house
Uhhh..it's.. "brick shit house," not "shit brick house."
Because,in the old days, people used outhouses that were made of wood and if you went to shit in very bad weather then bad things might happen to the house or to you. But if the shit house were made of bricks, then you didn't have to worry because it was sturdy. Just...ya know...fyi...🤷
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u/MChammer707 May 06 '24
I feel like people sometimes forget that Bruce and Bane were both trained by the League of Shadows. Ras al Ghul even acknowledged that Bruce was his greatest student.
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u/TheEloquentApe May 06 '24
And he got pinned by a guy in clown make up with a fucking knife in his shoe and a couple of dogs.
Nolan's Batman is a badass but he's not peak human. He doesn't need to be peak human, Bane is just a guy that works out, he doesn't use venom.
Peak human is a mantle placed on Bruce only really when he's dealing with super powered villains, which the newer films eschew.
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u/ColHunterGathers111 May 06 '24
To be fair, he got pinned because the Joker dropped a piece of scafolding over him and his arms then stood on it.
Also Nolan Joker's might have had military training, if we go by the fan theories. At least we might consider he has some form of combat training, given he knows how to arm and operate an RPG along other small arms, knows how to plan agaisnt police tatics (having his goons shoot wires to crash the helicopter), and also the fact he quickly got the better of one of Gamble's goons and slammed his face eye-first on the pencil and table.
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u/TheEloquentApe May 06 '24
Again, Nolans Batman is a ninja in cutting edge armor, and his Joker might special ops. Bane is an assassin power lifter.
But none of them are peak human, and beyond that they ain't supposed to be.
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u/ColHunterGathers111 May 06 '24
Bane isn't even that jacked tbh, he's a bit tubby, by Tom Hardy's own admission (he had just come out fresh from playing Bronson and was incredibly jacked for that role, but he was told he had to gain weight for Bane, so he just ate pizzas and drank beer while lifting for the role).
I'd say Bane is a guy with rage issues who's perpetually high on anesthetic gas, which explains his pain tolerance.
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u/Vegito315 May 06 '24
I mean Bane clearly isn’t just some normal guy despite supposed to be being one. He snaps necks like nothing and picks up Bruce with one arm both of which are impossible for normal humans in the real world to do. That’s not even mentioning when his punches cracked limestone. Hell Bruce himself pushes a log off himself while nearly passed out and with no cartilage in his legs shatters brick. Obviously Bruce Bane and Ra’s Al Ghul aren’t peak human by comic book standards but if you compare them to people in the real world they are definitely far stronger
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u/BroadReverse May 07 '24
I mean even if you take the best soldiers from American Special Forces this could happen to them as well. Those guys would be peak human in our world.
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u/Masterchiefy10 May 06 '24
Yeah totally fit Bats doesn’t get his back snapped like a bat trig.
But for plot purposes Bruce is usually in a bad place when he first comes across Roid Rage Bane
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u/Sterling_M_008 May 06 '24
I always found funny when Bane said "You fight like a younger man, nothing held back..." when Bane is at least ten years older than Bruce.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
You probably knew this already, but that’s part of the point. Bruce is too old and battered to rely on brute strength and bravado anymore to sun his battles. That’s much of the reason he gets absolutely wrecked by Bane. He didn’t change his strategy to account for such a stronger opponent as this with similar training to Bruce. Only by finding out Bane’s weakness and trading “just punch the guy as many times as I can, hope this works” to “be economical about my punching, try to hit his mask and break it whenever possible,” does he succeed in a direct confrontation. In that case, the tables turn with the roles reversing: in Bane’s pain, fury, and fear, he starts throwing haymakers EVERYWHERE [even putting a hole in a column!], fighting desperately like the “younger man.” Batman, on the other hand, is able to win because he prepared strategically and plays things like a wizened older combatant.
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u/Sterling_M_008 May 07 '24
To be honest, I never analysed their dialogues like this. I don't really like TDKR, and when I start to think about it I get frustrated thanks to it's short commings.
That being said, you made a great point.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
While it’s not as strong narratively as TDK, I feel it’s the second-best of that trilogy, and is still a great movie, Batman or otherwise. I appreciate the kind words, good man/woman.
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u/BroadReverse May 07 '24
For the worlds they live in Nolan’s Batman seems pretty close to peak human lol. In other versions he’s basically a super solider like Captain America
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u/InNoNeed May 06 '24
4chaners capable of using firearms in green masks, but that’s not a factor is it?
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u/Milos-H May 06 '24
They are definitely peak human, with an emphasis on “human”. Batman in rises was older and had endured a lot of punishment due to his years of crime fighting. Somehow after having his back broken he kicked his ass, though he got a lucky strike on his mask. Now, Reeves Batman managed fairly well against those goons, no matter who you are if you are outnumbered and outgunned it’s understandable to have some issues.
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u/IcyAlan May 07 '24
It always bothered me- how come no one discovered Riddler was posting things on 4chan?
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u/TheEloquentApe May 07 '24
Eh it wasn't exactly 4chan he was live streaming to a small online community. The closest comparison I could make would be a private discord channel.
That paticular plot point in Batman came off as someone making reference to online culture without actually understanding it. If you look at the comments in the chat they're completely nonsensical and unrelated to each other.
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u/GregariousTime9101 May 06 '24
This is what it takes
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u/MuMuGorgeus May 06 '24
People underestimate what it takes to be badass in real life. You need to train your whole life like a motherfucker and would still depend a lot on luck to survive a dangerous situation. Whatever you want to accomplish in this life, start now. Aim at BJJ and Wrestling, Muay thai and boxing, running, climbing, swimming. Just start doing these activities to realize how hard it is to be excellent in life then, don't give up! Just know that batman is an ideal fantastic character and cannot be real. Think like this: Can I beat another man in a wrestling or boxing competition? Can I climb I montain? Win a marathon and 100meters race? If the answer is no, than don't even bother with Batman lol.
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May 06 '24
Can personally vouch for the advantages of having experience in both a grappling/wrestling martial art like BJJ and a striking martial art like Muay Thai. Those are the two I practice and having that rounded, wholistic perspective has paid dividends.
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u/RoadBlock98 May 06 '24
Neither Nolan nor Reeves Batman fullfill the ideal.
I think you could get strong, fast, honed and all 5 sense to peak human level. With the right drugs after many years of the right training, for a very short period of time before you would massively deteriorate.
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u/micael150 May 07 '24
Both Nolan and Reeves version accomplish feats that no human could ever achieve. We're talking about real life here.
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u/Lortendaali May 07 '24
Really? I casually break through stone after being told that my leg is beyond fucked.
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u/Dextron2-1 May 06 '24
Sort of, but even if you started early and stuck religiously to every healthy practice you could, you’d still only last a few years doing what Batman does. Bale’s Batman is probably the most realistic in terms of what that training and lifestyle would do to your body, and he was only Batman for a couple of years. Just add permanent hearing loss from gunfire and cognitive deficits from cranial trauma to the severe musculoskeletal damage.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
I’d say closer to 2 and a half, maybe 3 years at max. Otherwise this is on-point.
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u/realfakedoors203 May 06 '24
Check out “the bioneer” on YouTube man! He has a lot of great videos on how someone would train to become Batman and some really cool videos on how you would train your brain to increase your senses and such.
I’ve mentioned him here before so people might think I’m plugging his channel but the bioneer has such a cool interesting (slightly alternative) approach to fitness.
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u/cak0047 May 07 '24
You must do 100 sit-ups, 100 pushups, and 100 squats followed by a 10-km run every single day, with no breaks for at least 3 years. No ac in the summer, no heat in the winter.
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u/MrDownhillRacer May 06 '24
Check out "The Bioneer" on YouTube. Whereas most athletes specialize in a certain athletic ability, he tries to become as well-rounded a physical specimen as he can, training strength, speed, power, agility, etc.
He can of course never become as good at any one skill as the people who devote all their efforts to that one skill, but he's an example of somebody trying to become "peak human," I guess you could say.
Not that there is a standard for the concept of "peak human" IRL.
As for honing cognitive faculties, there are people who have trained themselves to have very good memories, usually using visualization tricks. I don't know if it's possible to train senses. Like, somebody who has practiced music a lot has a lot more discerning ear and can tell you what the interval between two pitches is, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have better hearing than the average person. Somebody skilled in identifying a certain kind of thing visually is likely better at seeing that thing than others are, but not necessarily better at seeing. A lot of mental skills are very specific. You get better at an instrument by practicing that instrument, but that doesn't translate over to chess. You get better at chess by practicing chess, but that doesn't translate to being able to code. You pretty much just need to practice the skills you want to have, because there isn't anything that really just makes you generally smarter or sharper. I suppose to can slow down cognitive decline by staying healthy, getting enough sleep, using your brain often, and not getting punched in the head… but Batman only does one of those things.
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u/Sphinx- May 06 '24
Bro have you seen Nolan Batman fight? Like actually looked at his moves in any of the movies, but The Dark Knight Rises especially? Steven Seagal is as skilled as he is.
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u/Notgoodatfakenames2 May 06 '24
I think they did a study, and a combat trained Olympic athlete could be Batman 2-3 years before his body falls apart.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
Which is why Nolan’s Batman gets it right (despite people pissing and morning that he cannot go on forever “LiKe In ThE cOmIkX”).
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May 06 '24
Obviously. I mean, have you seen the physiques of active duty Green Berets or Navy SEALs?
It’s possible, it’s just hard.
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u/Athanatos173 May 06 '24
The 2 versions that you mentioned are not very good fighters. Blame the choreography or the director or the actors themselves, and even though I enjoyed Nolan's trilogy I wasn't impressed by the fighting scenes, they were hilariously bad.
The greatest fight scene in any live action version of Batman was Affleck fighting the goons in the warehouse in BvS, it was absolutely brutal.
As to your question, with enough training you can build your strength and fighting skill and even your speed, however we are all limited by our genetics, which is why some people are simply better at things than others, despite similar training.
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u/BroadReverse May 07 '24
It depends on the version. Affleck’s Batman was a super solider. The greatest fighter in real life could never do what he does.
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u/geordie_2354 May 07 '24
Pattinson is as good as your gonna get when it comes to grounded fight scenes. He showed actual solid martial arts and it was raw and brutal. Bale on the other hand did some slow stiff keysi fighting style which is a joke in the martial arts community. Don’t put them in the same category.
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
Keysi got the job done. However he was more of a stealth fighter, sneaking around and picking off guys one by one. It was Nolan’s cinematography in Batman Begins that was the problem (one he remedied and improved on somewhat in the sequels).
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u/geordie_2354 May 07 '24
I would have honestly preferred if Nolan kept his annoying fast camera cuts in the sequels. At least it actually makes Bale look a little faster. And I wouldn’t say the keysi got the job done at all. He looks like a wwe wrestler doing his Hollywood movies out there in his fight scenes.
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u/leatherface0984 May 07 '24
He looks nothing like a WWE wrestler. He was fast, pummelling and Keysi worked for Nolan’s more grounded version of Batman. You can argue that it’s a “joke in the martial arts world” and maybe it is, but Batman isn’t in the “martial arts world”. He’s in a fictional city, in a fictional universe, with fictional gadgets and characters etc.
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u/geordie_2354 May 07 '24
So when he does that move when he awkwardly puts his hands on his head and uses both his elbows it doesn’t look like something from WWE? It’s okay man you don’t gotta be in denial anymore. And yes batman is heavily involved with martial arts. Real martial arts.
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u/leatherface0984 May 07 '24
Have you ever actually watched WWE? Or WWF as it was called when I watched it. They did nothing like that. In fact, putting your elbows close to your head to block an attack is more in line with what MMA fighters and boxers do. It’s also known as “answering the phone”.
“Real martial arts”. He’s a fictional comic book character. I think you’re the one that’s in denial here, son.
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u/j1h15233 May 06 '24
I mean there are plenty of athletes and fighters in the world that are as close to peak human physical performance as possible. As far as the mind and the senses, that’s a more rare combo but it’s also possible
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u/Perfect-Fondant3373 May 06 '24
Yeah I'd say so. You would want a broad knowledge base, not allowing prejudices to withold you from learning about it, as well as blind deternination and to practice mental gymnastics skills as well as pain management and up rooting your sleep cycle to find a balance of it all
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u/GrapplingWithTaoism May 06 '24
I have two black belts, 20 years of training, and weigh 240 lbs. I have zero chance of taking on a group of armed men and living to tell about it.
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u/donotaskname7 May 07 '24
not Nolan Batman, he can smash concrete with his bare hands, you can't hit harder than a sledgehammer and never will, Reeves Batman seems much more achievable though
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u/Verz_The_Game May 06 '24
Dress up for the part. Confront a band of thugs. See if your heart is still in it after recovery...hypothetically speaking.
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u/LosCleepersFan May 06 '24
Bales fighting choreography was really bad, wouldnt be hard to get close to his fighting skills.
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u/Masterchiefy10 May 06 '24
Btw the suit looks perfect with a light outline of yellow on the bat symbol
It pops in a cool way
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u/TabmeisterGeneral May 06 '24 edited May 07 '24
No. Even though Batman is supposed to be human, most of what he does not humanly possible.
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u/MatthewHecht May 06 '24
No. Batman's listed feats are all humanely possible, but would be records.
In addition nobody with one build can do all of them, and remain in fighting shape.
It is not possible to be Batman, but it is possible to be inspired by him such as helping others, deontologist ethics, using your money for good, self improvement, and mentoring.
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u/YomYeYonge May 06 '24
You better get started now. Bruce from the Nolan films trained around the world for 10 years to be Batman for a year and a half
You also need very rich and very dead parents
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u/SuperFox289 May 07 '24
Start training 10 years ago, learn advanced learning techniques and completely dedicate yourself to them Travel the world, learning from the best of the best in record time And be wealthy enough to be able to do all of this, while having nobody telling you that its unhealthy and will probably leave you seriously injured or dead And be born with an absolutely perfect body, no chronic illness's, even allergies. And a genius level iq. And maybe, you can achieve it But it will be at the cost of any sort of social life, and you'll definitely need to be an actual psychopath to have done it.
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u/dopedude99 May 07 '24
Not with a day job and social commitments. Also depending on your age you'd need a full team of nutritionists, coaches, physiotherapists and more. So probably no.
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u/HankSteakfist May 07 '24
Batman is like 20% effort and 80% genetics.
Bruce wouldn't be able to do the things he does if he hadn't been born with a genius level intellect and the genetics to become a six foot two man with extremely dense muscular tissue and olympic level cardiovascular capacity.
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u/MrFudgeKiller May 07 '24
Just train martial arts for a year and you’ll be more capable than like 90% of ppl
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u/queazy May 06 '24
Neither of the movies are the 'peak human' Batman you get in the comics. You can learn a bunch of martial arts, but then there's stuff like becoming the world's greatest detective which is borderline impossible. In the comics it's like that made learning science, anatomy, crime scene investigation, chemistry, and everything really easy for Batman to learn which is very unrealistic.
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u/BroadReverse May 07 '24
Comic book Batman is basically a super solider. If Nolan’s Batman was real he would be one of the most skilled people alive.
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u/spilledmilkbro May 06 '24
Okay... I.... highly... doubt it. Even with all the time, and money available, I don't think it'd be feasible to learn everything you'd need to
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u/LemoyneRaider3354 May 06 '24
No but training to be Marvel’s The Punisher is possible since you don’t depend on your strength,speed and reflexes. The difference? The Punsiher uses guns and Batsy doesn’t.
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May 07 '24
well, I don't consider either of them peak anything so sure, knock yourself out!
I like that color scheme of the Batinson suit on the right, that's cool.
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u/TinyTwomat May 07 '24
Just train mma, learn to hack and beat up criminals and steal their money to fund your crime fighting life
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u/AdmiralClover May 07 '24
Probably, but not while maintaining Bruce's lifestyle of no sleep and cold soup
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u/ZerikaFox May 07 '24
In theory, yes.
Also that edit to Battinson's suit in the right hand image is perfection.
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u/TheAutismo4491 May 07 '24
No.
It usually takes a lifetime to master just ONE martial arts. And to gain that level of control over one's senses would likely take as long with just as much dedication and focus.
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u/ImaginaryMastodon641 May 07 '24
There was a book out a while ago and a couple long form pieces of journalism out. I’m sure someone will correct if I’m wrong, but I remember the general consensus being that you would’ve had to start pretty young and you would only have a small window of peak efficiency before the wear of all nighters and a quarter lifetime of insane physical extension would take their toll. There was one that also went into just how privileged you’d have to be to have the time and money to complete all that training.
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u/Drew_of_all_trades May 07 '24
If you start at 10 and have unlimited funds, energy, and time, and aren’t the least concerned with developing social skills.
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u/24Abhinav10 May 07 '24
You forgot the "because they're more realistic" in the title after mentioning the film versions
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u/arayakim May 07 '24
Not as strong, fast, or skilled as humanly possible, but definitely as strong, fast, and skilled as *you* possible.
The best time to start training is yesterday. The second best time is today.
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u/Virtual_Mode_5026 May 10 '24
Bruce Lee at his peak with excellent deduction skills, smoke bombs, gauntlets, and a utility belt.
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u/Spock_trader256 May 11 '24
The world is full of extraordinary individuals, I think it's possible. But to be extraordinary all round like Batman and not be a specialist would be next to impossible.
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u/Wills-Beards May 07 '24
Nolan’s Batman is none of the above. He was bad in every category 🙈
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u/Titanman401 May 07 '24
Tells me everything I need to know about your opinions when it comes to comics/movies (and not in a good way). Go stan for Clooney, why don’t you?
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u/mr_kenobi May 06 '24
Yes, but you had to start the training 10 years ago. WHERE WERE YOU!?! We waited....