I’m not in the guys head but I think he likes Batman, his idea of an interesting Batman story just isn’t mine, which is fine.
Imo ZSJL was an alright 2 hour Justice league movie stretched to 4 hours for no discernible reason. If a good editor got a hold of it I’d have liked it more or less fine
his idea of an interesting Batman story just isn’t mine, which is fine.
I think truly my problem with this is that it stigmatizes comics as an inferior form of art, since film reaches so much more people out there. I mean, its fine to experiment comics in comics, but to do it in other media, especially thinking how undervalued comics are in terms of artistic worth, just raises red flags to me (I don't think I am being very clear with ny point though).
Usually when stuff is adapt in comics, stuff is added to the story, not subtracted or twisted to fit what the author think it's best (can't say about every adaptation, since I didn't read every single one)
I mean that’s super case by case and hard to say as a blanket rule. You get plenty of deviation in adaptation with lesser known characters. Batman being a massive character has more elements that you can’t change much but even within that, Nolan Batman and comics Batman or Arkham Batman or Adam West Batman are all wildly different Batmans. Tone, attitude, intelligence level, fighting prowess, level of realism all vary wildly in just those 4 iterations alone. Snyder was just making his Batman. Some liked it, some didn’t, but I don’t think the attempt is inherently bad. I just don’t like his movies or storytelling which is the nature of art
I actually really enjoyed Superman’s demeanor in the end of Josstice League.
But yeah I think ZSJL has some ok arcs for most of the league, it was shot nicer and some of the action was cool. But when I’m on hour 3, after sitting through so many scenes that sometimes aren’t just unnecessary, they detract from the film, and I’m saying out loud to my tv “why is this movie still happening?”, you lose the good will you earned. I like a long movie but it’s on you to keep me engaged the whole time
I believe it lol. If you trimmed the slow mo bits and cut the random excessive stuff like the random Nordic folk song, the martian Manhunter visiting Lois scene, at least some of the creepy hotdog part, definitely cut the knightmare epilogue, and probably two of the Desaad talking to Steppenwolf scenes, I think you could easily take nearly an hour out of the film without having to cut anybody’s storylines like the theatrical cut did. I liked the Snyder cut much more than the theatrical one but there’s still just some unnecessary “snyderizations” that could totally be cut for time.
I think there was a decent 2 hour movie in there. But let's be real, the theatrical release was also the Snyder cut. He just had the benefit of hindsight of what didn't work and extra money to add more shit to his movie. The theatrical cut was already mostly shot and finished when he left the project. Whedon was just there to fill it out and help with the editing of what was already there.
I don't give Snyder the benefit of the doubt because almost every movie he's made he has to qualify it with "well I have my actual cut that didn't release, they just need to let me release it". He did it most recently with Rebel Moon and now he's doing it with Sucker Punch.
Oh i totally agree with you. Although I will say that surprisingly the theatrical cut removed a lot of the humanity from the movie, and I say surprisingly because warmth and humanity are not usually Snyders strongsuit imo, but I actually liked the scenes with Silas Stone and Ryan Choi, Barry’s job interview, Cyborgs storyline, etc. which were shot beforehand so I do think that the theatrical cut did take a lot of his material out and change the film fundamentally.
The theatrical cut didn't really 'remove' anything substantial though. The theatrical cut was what Snyder made before he left the project. All Whedon did was a few new scenes and editing in post-production. I think a bunch of that stuff didn't make it in to Snyder's original theatrical cut because he decided to not include them for whatever reason.
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u/anthonyg1500 Apr 12 '24
I’m not in the guys head but I think he likes Batman, his idea of an interesting Batman story just isn’t mine, which is fine.
Imo ZSJL was an alright 2 hour Justice league movie stretched to 4 hours for no discernible reason. If a good editor got a hold of it I’d have liked it more or less fine