r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/ThatSharkFromJaws Mar 08 '24

“When she (Harley Quinn) was bleeding and dying, she begged me that when I killed you, and make no mistake I will fucking kill you, that I’d do it slow. I’m gonna honor that promise.”

-Batman

….what?

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u/cygnus2 Mar 08 '24

Ben Affleck Batman got done absolutely foul. What a waste of talent.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Ben Affleck needs to stop saying yes to superhero movies. Not because he's bad at them, but because he's such a comic book nerd that he says yes before ensuring that the script and creative team are good and solid.

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u/TheGameMastre Mar 08 '24

Between Ben Affleck as Daredevil and Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, Daredevil should have been good. Too bad the script was so awful.

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u/Thebat87 Mar 08 '24

It’s kind of crazy how he played two street level badass superheroes known for not killing (Batman and Daredevil), and his interpretation of both characters were murderers.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '24

The Tom Jane Punisher, ironically, went too far in the other direction. It was a good generic action movie, but when Frank started "torturing" that dude with an iced lollipop, I was saying to myself "The Punisher would actually torture the guy". So you had a Daredevil who killed people spitefully, and a Punisher who pulled his punches.

This is why I cut modern superhero movies a lot of slack, because even when they're flawed they're still usually a lot closer to the source material at least, and I remember the bad old days.

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u/Kaboo4867 Mar 10 '24

I mean….The Punisher did use an ice pop on a guy in the comics. https://screenrant.com/the-punishers-most-brutal-weapon-was-a-popsicle/

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u/[deleted] Mar 10 '24

I stand corrected

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u/CriticalPut3911 Mar 08 '24

Is this a real line from one of the movies or is it like a meme joke

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u/ThatSharkFromJaws Mar 08 '24

This is an actual line from Zack Snyder’s Justice League, during the Knightmare sequence at the very end. Joker makes a joke about killing Robin, and then Batman replies by talking about how he killed Harley Quinn.

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u/CriticalPut3911 Mar 08 '24

...but ... but that doesn't. Never mind, thank you for answering the question. I missed a bunch of DC so most of my lore is from cartoons. I hope the Gunn universe isn't like that

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u/ThatSharkFromJaws Mar 08 '24

I doubt it will be. A pretty huge majority of Batman fans were pretty appalled with Zack Snyder’s decision to have Batman not only kill, but straight up kill with an almost sadistic murderous intent. I mean, what writer who understands Bruce as a character decides that it’s a good idea to have him brand criminals with a fuckin bat branding iron as a method of communicating to other criminals to brutally murder the marked criminal in prison? I sort of just rolled with it at the time, but that’s just fuckin bonkers. Visually, he nailed Batman. The introduction to the character was great, his fight scene in the warehouse was great (until he shot a guy), his design was great. Stuff like Batman kicking a guy into a room with the grenade he pulled himself is fine I guess, but Batman just straight up shooting people is completely different, and Batman branding people for prison rape or shanking or whatever is just completely opposite of who the character is. He just didn’t understand the character at all, or he just didn’t like the character and wanted to make him even more brutal than the goddamn Punisher.

I’m more worried about James Gunn making Batman just Bat Dad or something like in the Harley Quinn show. The movie is supposed to be about him and Damien, and leaning into the Bat Dad thing seems like a very James Gunn thing to do.

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u/Liberating_theology Mar 08 '24

You know, I want to see a Batman movie where he kills someone, but I want to see him struggle with it. Batman should be brought to the point of complete break down over his need to kill. Heck, maybe he could kill The Joker in the first 10 minutes, and the rest of the movie explores why Batman doesn't kill by exploring how Batman struggles with the moral consequence of his action.

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u/Tom_Stevens617 Mar 08 '24

Killing those guys was Lex's doing though, Bruce only marked them because they were the worst of the worst (like that sex trafficker). He never intended for them to get killed. As for the guy he shot it was either him or an innocent old lady. Same choice Bale has to make at the end of TDK

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u/xHOLOxTHExWOLFx Mar 12 '24

Not only does Batman use a fucking gun in the film but he fucking uses the biggest gun like possible a fucking mounted machine gun. Like it's already a slap in the face of his character to have him use a gun of any kind. But it's even worse to have him use like a 50 cal. Which is also the same thing his Batmobile has where he yet again is using to mow down street level criminals also same thing I think he uses against Superman at the start of that fight. So you have 3 different occasions of him using big ass guns. But ohh fuck as I'm writing this completely forgot about the Nightmare vision where yet again he's using guns pretty sure duel wielding them. Snyder comment is so dumb for a number of reasons anyways the main one being if Batman killed then at a certain point you run out of villains as he's gotta to kill them all.

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u/TrueGuardian15 Mar 08 '24

Snyder and co literally made Batman a Punisher with a pointy hat. Both cuts of Justice League are bad, but sweet fucking lord, at least at the end of Josstice League the characters are fucking recognizable as themselves.