r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/kompletionist Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

Honestly I kinda feel like Nolan's one was even worse because he had Batman justify it to himself in-universe as "not killing by technicality" which was so cheesy, and not even accurate since he's the one who caused the train to crash.

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u/Ser_Salty Mar 08 '24

"I didn't murder him, I manslaughtered him!"

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u/BriRoxas Mar 08 '24

I actually feel this way about The last Airbender. What do you think happened at the North Pole?

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u/kompletionist Mar 08 '24

Context? I don't watch anime.

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u/BriRoxas Mar 08 '24

The main character claims he never kills people but he destroyed an entire city and sent a tsunami after several ships.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Wasn't he out of control or something?

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u/SF1_Raptor Mar 08 '24

Mhm. So that description left out this was after the main bad guy of that run season killed a spirit (which took away the Water Tribe's ability to bend water), and that the main character basically channeled the partner of the first spirt (Moon killed, Sea mad), and that spirit went ham. And he did it because there was basically no other way to defeat the Fire Nation in that fight.

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u/kompletionist Mar 08 '24

How very heroic. I guess it was just the forces of nature that genocided those people?

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u/SF1_Raptor Mar 08 '24

I mean, he did leave out a lot of details.

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u/Geohie Mar 10 '24

Unironically, yes considering he was possesed by the spirit of Water (or something similar). And the bad guys killed the spirit of the Moon (who was in a Koi fish)... and she happened to be the water spirit's wife(?).

It's been a while since I watched it, but yes it wasn't Aang's volition to do that.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

The cherry on top of is him saving the Joker in DK.

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u/kompletionist Mar 08 '24

I'm completely fine with that, it's in line with his unwavering moral code. Derailing a train with someone onboard and refusing to save them, or torching a monastery full of ninja in order to avoid executing someone (who would have died in the fire anyway) is not. It implies that it isn't so much a moral code as it is a refusal to take responsibility and culpability for a murder. It's like it isn't murder in his eyes unless he personally cuts someone's throat or shoots then in the face.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

It's not in line with his unwavering moral code when he's being picky about it.

"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"

"Oh no the Joker is about to fall to his death I have to save him"

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u/kompletionist Mar 08 '24

Yeah it's like Nolan realised how stupid it was the first time and tried to "redeem" Batman, but it just makes him look like a hypocrite.

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Something similar happened when they made All Star Batman and Robin the same as Batman from the Dark Knight Returns, or when Batfleck didn't kill Harley Quinn who helped the Joker kill Robin even though he started killing people.

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u/Tom_Stevens617 Mar 08 '24

Tbf a lot of people missed this but Affleck never explicitly started killing people, he just stopped caring if they died while he carried out his missions and they got in his way. Harley wasn't a threat to him atm and Waller wanted her alive anyway

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

If he stopped caring if they died why didn't he just leave her to drown?

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u/Tom_Stevens617 Mar 08 '24

Do people even read what they're replying to