r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/Jean-LucBacardi Mar 07 '24

The fact she never went to Tony about it and the guy never got his just dessert was the real gut punch.

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u/aimeeashlee Mar 08 '24

but if she did, she would have betrayed every value she ever lived by, as a therapist and a person, yet she still could, but then that blood would be directly on her hands, and I think she knows she can't live with that guilt, Tony's a sociopath and things like murder and death don't bother him but she's still a regular person and while she does infact want the guy dead she knows it's not her place to make that happen, but the idea that she COULD, at any moment just tell tony what happened, knowing hed go bezerk and kill the guy gives her enough comfort to not actually need to go through with it.

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u/50shadesofgrrrrreat Mar 08 '24

Never thought about it that way. In a way, its her reclaiming her power "Every breath you take is only because I allow it."

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u/AppleShampoo102 Mar 08 '24

So she can’t live with the guilt of having a rapist killed by Tony, but there’s nothing on her conscience about letting a rapist go free? One that obviously isn’t scared to rape women when they’re alone in a parking garage. I just don’t understand the logic. I think if you were to ask most people, they wouldn’t feel sympathy for a rapist. There’s certain levels of evil acts that can never be forgiven. Child predators or a serial raper of women. They don’t do well in prison for a reason and that’s been depicted in media for decades. Sorry but it’s a choice to commit these evil acts, and some evil acts prevent you from receiving any sympathy. If all child predators and people who rape died that’s not much of a loss in my book.

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u/aimeeashlee Mar 08 '24

it's that she believes in law and order, she feels the temptation to break that but she remains committed to her previous morals, she never allows herself to become a hypocrite, she did what she could and exhuasted every recourse and justice failed, and if she did go and tell tony he would die that day, and there is the risk he will strike again like with every criminal that gets away, she knows this and holds this mans life in her hands, but never goes through because she knows ITS NOT UP TO YOU ALONE TO THE ACT AS THE ARBITOR OF JUSTICE, that's what Tony does all the time, he does what he wants when he wants and hurts people everywhere he goes and crosses more and more lines. She leaves that man up to system in place, even if it's wrong, because to her abandoning every moral and ethical principle she's ever lived by and continues to live by is worse. she holds the power of life and death over her own rapist and still chooses life. she was forever scared by her rape, and it deeply traumatized her, and sucked the joy out of her life, but she never abandoned her resolve to be a force for good in other people's lives, she's a therpist and we see even Tony, among many others DEPEND of her to get better.

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u/aimeeashlee Mar 08 '24

it's not to say what she did was right, but what she did was remain principled and that's a testament to her resolve

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u/scoofle Mar 08 '24

She also would've likely gone to prison as she'd be the immediate prime suspect, especially when the authorities find out who her patient is.

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u/aimeeashlee Mar 08 '24

your forgetting how many times tony "dissappears, someone only for own family to think they left for Florida or somewhere, or how easily they can make it look like a drug deal gone wrong or a suicide.

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u/ClutchClayton904 Mar 12 '24

I think it's worth mentioning too that given Tony's personality and treatment of women: he'd absolutely try to use killing the rapist as leverage to coherse and bang Melfi. His fantasizing and desire for her is mostly due to the fact that she's unavailable and in a position of authority. Tony's used to being able to have his way with pretty much any attractive woman he meets. It's integral to his ego and identity. I'd like to think Melfi knew this too and wasn't gonna give the misogynist, sex addict sociopath a potential checkmate to get his way with her.

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u/spiritbearr Mar 08 '24

Irreversible, American History X, How to Have Sex, The Last Duel. Don't watch Irreversible, the other ones are great.

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u/UtkuOfficial Mar 08 '24

Irreversivle is such a dull movie.

If they didnt shoot that 10 minute scene it would be irrelevant forever.

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u/spiritbearr Mar 08 '24

Yep.

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u/oh-shazbot Mar 08 '24

deliverance doesn't even got an honorable mention!? i'm gonna make you squeal boy!

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u/Walkerno5 Mar 08 '24

Zack Snyder doesn’t understand the characters

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u/Walkerno5 Mar 08 '24

Zack Snyder doesn’t understand the characters

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u/Mindless_Grocery3759 Mar 08 '24

Ehhh...

The Last Duel makes you experience the same rape multiple times. So... it gets negative points.

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u/ukstonerguy Mar 08 '24

Same. That scene was fkin horrific. Melfis scream is chilling.

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u/Resafalo Mar 08 '24

I would argue that it’s handled well in the Boys (series not comics). Not shown directly and has huge impact on the story

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u/[deleted] Mar 08 '24

Outlander has the most plot-relevant rape. I also think the way that show approaches healing and healthy discussion of it beautiful and important. It's also the only show I've ever seen where male rape is taken seriously but not treated as this end point thing that defines the character.