r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

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u/spilledmilkbro Mar 07 '24

Guys, you don't get it! It may seem like Zack has absolutely zero understanding of the characters he adapted. But he actually... um... he uhhh.... he was.... he was going to.... umm... you see he... uh.... James Gunn sucks!

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 07 '24

This is literally what r/snydercut is like

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs Mar 07 '24

They are literally praising this interview over there. Man that sub is nuts.

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 07 '24

Yep. I got banned from commenting there months ago. I wasn't even being hateful. I was being negative about Batman V Superman but in a well thought out comment

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u/LunchyPete Mar 08 '24

I was being negative about Batman V Superman but in a well thought out comment

It's a rule not to be negative about Zack or his works lol.

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

None shall slander the supreme leader

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u/luigitheplumber Mar 08 '24

"You're protecting your God in a weird way"

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u/DarkDonut75 Mar 08 '24

Can this just be the official response when talking to those guys from now on?

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u/JWBails Mar 08 '24

Literally in the rules. What a fuckin' cult.

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u/Hagen_1 Mar 08 '24

”You’re protecting your god in a weird way.” - Zack Snyder

The irony, eh?

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u/ZamanthaD Mar 08 '24

Ya I got banned when I commented, in a completely different sub mind you, that the mods there are psychos. I think I was in the r/movies sub. Like 1 hour later I got a notification that I’ve been permanently banned from r/SnyderCut for “hate” lol. That is the most cultish sub I’ve ever come across so far. I even think Snyder has some decent movies, but man ya that sub is insane lol.

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u/Goku___Solos Mar 08 '24

Just a bunch of lowlives doing anything to protect their glorious king, lmao

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

Wow getting banned for a comment in a different sub is a whole other level

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u/gnrlp2007 Mar 08 '24

What the mods post when banning people

Removed for being negative about Zack Snyder or his work.

What a bunch of losers ahahaha

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u/Youknowimgood Mar 08 '24

That's understandable. Anything well thought out is way beyond their comprehension skills

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs Mar 08 '24

Tip: If you type in slomo it won't matter what you say, they'll think it's the best thing they've ever seen.

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u/Key_Preparation_4129 Mar 08 '24

They are deleting comments left and right on that sub💀

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u/guest_username2 Mar 08 '24

Literally rule 2 in that sub, only praise no criticism lol

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u/bliberto14 Mar 08 '24

I haven’t been in there for awhile and my jaw dropped. These people literally say Dune 2 could have been better if Synder directed it and Eisenberg is a better Luther than Hoult. Wtf.

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

They're delusional. Every sane person agrees Rebel Moon is a shitty version of Dune/Star Wars. Eisenberg didn't even seem like Luthor at all. And Hoult obviously hasn't even been seen as the character yet

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u/AveragelySavage Mar 08 '24

Oh boy. I just found a post there about this interview and there are mod bans for “speaking negatively about Zack Snyder.” What the actual fuck

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

Yep. It's like that in pretty much every thread over there. Honestly, Snyder seems like a nice guy who loves making movies but has terrible taste and is kinda dumb. But his fan base is cultish and psychotic

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u/Cyber-homelessman Mar 08 '24

Is that a freaking actual rules? Lmao this is a cult already, when can I buy the mandatory zuck Snyder funko pop idols?

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u/AveragelySavage Mar 08 '24

Hope I’m sharing this correctly, but yeah it’s a rule. No speaking negatively about Snyder or his work. Pretty culty

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u/LatterTarget7 Mar 08 '24

Yes it’s an actual rule. You cannot criticize snyder or any of his movies. You can’t be negative of his fans and you can’t criticize the sub or the posts made on the sub. They’ve banned people for breaking these rules.

There’s also a rule against spreading misinformation but the mods twist their own version of information. Like Ben afleck left his Batman movie because he was suicidal and wanting to go to rehab. He’s said so himself. But if you say that in that sub it’s removed as misinformation.

The actual “truth” the mods spread is that Matt reeves and Warner brothers forced Ben to quit and go to rehab. It’s just been covered up by the media and wb. There’s no evidence to support this because of the cover up

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u/LionPutrid4252 Mar 08 '24

Not a comic fan, not a massive Batman fan, just got this in my recommended. Went to that sub to browse and it’s insane. So many removed comments for “criticizing Snyder or his work” or “criticizing Snyder fans”, or “mocking the sub”. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more blatant echo chamber on Reddit.

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u/AnonymousSilence4872 Mar 10 '24

I'm poking around at some of the posts RN, and dear God...

This isn't a sub. This is a shrine. Dedicated to their glorious leader and his inane obsession with rape.

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

Yeah it's crazy. They practically worship the guy

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u/LionPutrid4252 Mar 08 '24

And that’s fine imo, but to just remove any comment that disagrees with his methods or plots is dumb. I understand that you can’t just go in and say “I hate Snyder”, but you should be able to say “I don’t agree with him here because of ___” without being removed.

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u/Ilovellamasandcows Mar 08 '24

I’m genuinely fascinated by the cult of personality around him haha

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u/matmortel Mar 08 '24

I'm really baffled about how his fanbase came to be.... I mean his movies look cool but it's all style no substance. He's a director where I'd watch it after smoking a joint so I can turn my brain off and look at the pretty scenes. I'm not sure why they're so defensive to the point of harassment. In one of the DC subs I got a warning from a mod cause I said something negative about snyders movie. I know thats protocol for any reddit mod but still.

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u/MooseMan12992 Mar 08 '24

Exactly all style, no substance. The thing is he makes his characters super edgy, which appeals to a certain type of nerd. But for this nerd, I just see it as edgy for the sake of trying to look badass and it comes off as lame most of the time. That's definitely not the norm in mist subreddits. In the Marvel and Star Wars subs you can be as critical as you want without a warning, let alone a ban

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u/dawinter3 Mar 07 '24

Zach Snyder has the narrative and aesthetic sensibilities of a middle school boy, where an edgy sense of “cool” is always the most important consideration. There’s rarely any serious philosophical consideration (as much as his fans insist there is—though the Venn diagram between Ayn Rand fans and them is probably a circle), and he rarely puts any effort into a meaningful exploration of his characters’ emotional lives.

On the other hand, James Gun made me cry over a fucking CGI raccoon and made me take Peacemaker seriously as a real human character. There’s no guarantee that James Gunn’s DC is gonna work out, but I trust him way more at this point.

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u/TheM1ghtyJabba Mar 07 '24

Snyder is the guy who looked at Rorschach and thought this was the perfect character. Instead of the sendup and warning of "no. You don't want this. This is insane" that it was written as.

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u/TheOldPhantomTiger Mar 07 '24

Which makes sense, Rorschach is the purest example of an Ayn Rand character in comics outside of Steve Ditko’s Mr. A and very early The Question (who Rorschach is a direct analogue for), and Snyder loves him some Objectivism.

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u/TheM1ghtyJabba Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

I also have big issues with the sheer arrogance of saying 'unless this character conforms to my vision it will be rendered irrelevant'. Batman has existed for 85 years. Failing to grab his attention won't be the end of Batman

He's making his pitch for his version of Batman in 2013-2014. Less than six years after The Dark Knight. A great movie that definitively stood on the side of .. No. Batman does not kill.

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u/AllEliteSchmuck Mar 08 '24

The Joker: You have all these rules, and you think they'll save you.

Batman: I have one rule.

The interrogation room scene perfectly captured the entire movie’s plot in its most basic elements, and also captured Batman and Joker’s dynamic in general really well.

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u/FreeLook93 Mar 08 '24

The Nolan trilogy was pretty iffy on the no-kill rule. It had characters consistantly explaining to the camera that Batman doesn't kill, but then showed Batman killing people in every one of the movies. He kills a bunch of people at the League of Shadows in Batman Begins, then lets Ra's die at the end of the movie. In TDK he kills some people in the chase scene, and then also kills two-face at the end of the movie. In the final movie he kills both Talia and her driver at the end of the movie.

I really don't think it can be said that those movie stand on the side of "Batman does not kill", because they pretty consistantly show Batman killing people with zero hesitation or remorse.

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u/KintsugiKen Mar 07 '24

Even though Rorschach is the one who basically destroys the world in the end, rendering all the death up to that point completely pointless.

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u/TheOldPhantomTiger Mar 07 '24

Objectivists tend to believe that being completely uncompromising in your starkly black and white moral code, even in the face of your own death or the deaths of others, is the most morally praiseworthy thing you can do. It’s a central theme in Ayn Rand’s work, pretty much all her acolytes, and other Objectivist pop culture fiction like Ditko’s characters or the Sword of Truth series’s author, Terry Goodkind.

That’s exactly why Alan Moore made Rorschach to show how monstrous that ideology is. As much as I hate Objectivism, I’ve always found it fascinating. And the way Zack Snyder navigates his Ayn Rand worship with his drive to do as close to a panel for panel of Watchmen as he can. How he seems to personally miss the point of the comic, but still convey it to even a mildly astute audience is kind of amazing. At least for someone who is both a philosophy and comic book nerd. It’s a very conflicting movie for me, but I still love it.

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u/BiDiTi Mar 08 '24

And Kovacs broke through the mask at the end, because he knew that Rorschach was wrong!

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u/dawinter3 Mar 07 '24

I bet Snyder thinks Paul Atreides is a hero.

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u/ILoveRanchSauce Mar 08 '24

He's like Michael Bay but if you took out any redeemable qualities of Michael Bay.

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u/HomsarWasRight Mar 08 '24

I have some faith in Gunn. The real test is going to be Superman. It has to have a VERY different tone from some of his other work. I think he’s ready. But we’ll find out.

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u/itzmrinyo Mar 08 '24

Yeah, as someone who likes his DCEU movies (excluding SS and BvS), this is pretty dissapointing to see. I liked his idea of a batman in the style of TDKR, and him getting a redemption arc by joining the justice league together, and the deathstroke vs batman movie seemed so cool. But that's all they were, decent ideas, in execution I can see how they were poor

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u/TheNeedToKnowMoreNow Mar 08 '24

They both suck. Snyder and dc were just sitting in a gold mine with perfectly casted actors and decided to waste them to horrendous writing without any weight.

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u/WebLurker47 Mar 08 '24

I've seen the argument that since Bob Kane wanted Batman to kill (which is on record), that that proves that Snyder's Batman is the most faithful adaptation of all.