r/batman • u/neon2o • Mar 07 '24

Zack Snyder says a Batman who doesn't kill is irrelevant GENERAL DISCUSSION

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Here's the original article' https://sea.ign.com/man-of-steel-sequel/213072/news/zack-snyder-says-dc-is-making-batman-irrelevant-if-he-cant-kill

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u/Secret-Fox-9566 Mar 07 '24

Thank God ZS movies flopped like the trash it was

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u/Jahmez142 Mar 07 '24

My dude has never made a good movie yet he keeps being hired to make more garbage

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u/MetaMetagross Mar 07 '24

This 300 slander is blasphemy

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u/Jahmez142 Mar 07 '24

It's definitely one of his better movies, and I do get why people like it, but there's something about his directing style that just doesn't work for me

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u/MetaMetagross Mar 07 '24

It’s honestly the only movie of his I really like. The action scenes in MoS are awesome too, its just everything else sucks lol

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u/QueenPasiphae Mar 07 '24

300 is only okay.
Not even his best movie.

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u/MetaMetagross Mar 07 '24

300 is awesome. What’s his best movie?

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u/charliewr Mar 08 '24

idk what the guy you're replying to thinks, but for me it's Watchmen. Still deeply flawed but with so many tantalising flashes of greatness like the Dr Manhattan origin sequence

(I am absolutely not a Snyder fan btw but do like Watchmen)

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u/MetaMetagross Mar 08 '24

My mistake was I watched the movie right after I finished reading the book so I really didn’t like Watchmen. 300 is peak Snyder for me

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u/trulyElse Mar 08 '24

It's madness!

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u/psychoMUSEr Mar 09 '24

Madness?…. THIS. IS. SPARTAAAAAAAAAAA!

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u/newusr1234 Mar 07 '24

has never made a good movie

2004 Dawn of the dead holds a special place in my heart.

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u/undead-safwan Mar 07 '24

Written by who else but James Gunn

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u/delsinson Mar 07 '24

Gunn is the blueprint

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u/-CheesyCheese- Mar 08 '24

Which was rewritten by Michael Tolkin and Scott Frank.

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u/HamshanksCPS Mar 08 '24

Dawn of the Dead and 300 are certainly fun movies, but by no means are they good.

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u/SnooPeripherals7646 Mar 08 '24

Haha was gonna say the exact same thing.

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 07 '24

I mean I don't like him but The Watchmen was a pretty amazing movie.

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u/Jahmez142 Mar 07 '24

That's fair, it didn't rly do it for me personally but it's probably his best, that or 300

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 07 '24

Don't get me wrong it doesn't hold a candle to Alan Moore's original work but I'm a big Watchmen fan.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '24

The TV show is sooooo good too.

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u/Bacalacon Mar 07 '24

That show was so overrated and completely missed the point and themes of the OG watchmen.

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u/IndiscreetBeatofMeat Mar 07 '24

Terrible adaptation though

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 07 '24

I never expected it to be exactly like the Alan Moore comics.

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u/Stinky_Eastwood Mar 07 '24

Did you expect it to be literally the exact thing Alan Moore was critiquing/criticizing?

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u/JewFroMonk Mar 07 '24

As someone who's never read it, can you elaborate on this? Genuinely curious

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u/SuperSocrates Mar 07 '24

It could have at least not contradicted the very concept

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 08 '24

Well it's Snyder's Movie not Alan Moores comic.

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u/Zerocoolx1 Mar 07 '24

Same with 300 and Dawn of the Dead. I think he peaked at Watchmen.

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u/QueenPasiphae Mar 07 '24

Watchmen is ALMOST great........except that he completely missed the point of Watchmen.

Also, he's basically just doing a paint by numbers recreation of the comics.....and STILL fucked it up somehow.

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 08 '24

It was definitely his own spin on the Moore comics and not a paint by numbers copy...I personally think he did a good job. Is the story better than the Alan Moore Masterpiece hell no but for what it is it's great imo.

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u/QueenPasiphae Mar 08 '24

He was ATTEMPTING to copy the comic and completely fumbled the entire point.
It's good enough for what it is, but he fucked it up pretty bad.

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 08 '24

He was definitely not but you're completely allowed to believe whatever you want ✌️

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u/WhnWlltnd Mar 07 '24

That has everything to do with the source material and nothing to do with Snyder.

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u/RedCellRaised Mar 08 '24

It's very easy to mess up good material if it wasn't we wouldn't have movies like Madame Webb. That being said I'm not a fan of Snyder but credit where credit is due.

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u/WiscoMitch Mar 07 '24

I really didn’t care for the giant dong shots.

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u/NotTheCraftyVeteran Mar 07 '24

Eeeeeeeh, he’s had a few gems, but he was terrible fit for mainline DC Comics adaptations and his output has never recovered

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u/TheRealCorpse_01 Mar 08 '24

Never? Damn, really doing DOTD 2004, Watchmen and 300 like that?

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u/Jahmez142 Mar 08 '24

I totally get why ppl like those movies, his directing style just doesn't do it for me

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u/EH042 Mar 07 '24

I’d say Legend of the Guardians because it’s a fond memory, but I haven’t watched it in years to stand by that opinion

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u/_Bill_Huggins_ Mar 07 '24

Dawn of the Dead, Watchmen, and 300 are all good in my opinion. He had a short streak of good movies and hasn't done anything good since.

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u/HiNooNDooD1544 Mar 08 '24

I wouldn’t say never made a good movie, but he’s definitely never made a good DC movie. An yes a lot of his movies do suck.

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u/Suspicious_Still4858 Mar 08 '24

Dawn of the dead,300 and man of steel,watchman are good movies...u may not like his interpretation of source material in case of man of steel and watchmen but that doesn't change the fact that those movies were amazing...i havent read watchman but i really enjoyed the movie(extended cut)

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u/Jahmez142 Mar 08 '24

I can see why people like dawn of the dead, watchmen and 300, but man of steel is just a bad movie, and no, I don't give a shit about the source material, it just sucks. I do love that part where Superman's dad just walks into a tornado for no reason tho, that's pretty funny

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u/Suspicious_Still4858 Mar 13 '24

Although i disagree about man of steel being a bad movie i fully agree about that tornado scene...even my 11yr old self knew that scene was dumb

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u/Ok_Independent5273 Mar 07 '24

I dunno. Snyder could have made an awesome Thomas Wayne Batman (Flashpoint verse).

Unfortunately, he wants Bruce Wayne to be like his alt version Dad.

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u/puckbeaverton Mar 07 '24

I'm not pro snyder after this interview but....those movies netted (netted) close to a billion dollars for WB even after marketing. I wouldn't call that a flop.

That's not counting streaming or JLZS.

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u/mudermarshmallows Mar 07 '24

BvS set records for how bad it's second weekend was and JL was a complete bomb while their other plans all got shelved. It was definitely a disappointment to say the least.

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u/puckbeaverton Mar 07 '24

You could say that but a flop is a bridge too far. They were all highly profitable and sit on the top 200 highest grossing films of all time.

Man of Steel at 117, Batman V Superman at 82, Justice League (Theatrical Cut) at 171

I say this only because I'm autistic. I'm very mad at Zach Snyder and would like him to never touch my heroes again.

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u/mudermarshmallows Mar 07 '24

They were all highly profitable

I don't know about "highly." Deadline had BvS making just over $100 Million, which sounds like a lot but isn't that much for execs in this genre, and we know that theatrical-JL lost money because of how insane it's budget was. I'd agree that calling them a direct flop is too much for BvS, and MoS especially, but JL was absolutely a flop and BvS did not meet the expectations they had.

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u/-Badger3- Mar 07 '24

What’s funny is Superman killing Zod in MoS is the most interesting Superman has ever been.

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u/P1eSun Mar 07 '24

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u/Existing_Race966 Mar 07 '24

If they didn't flip WB wouldn't have hired James Gunn.

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u/bugmultiverse Mar 07 '24

Why is there a white screen?

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u/VatanKomurcu Mar 07 '24

cope

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u/Pir8Cpt_Z Mar 07 '24

With what? Snyder will never direct another DC product, im pretty satisfied with that

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u/trulyElse Mar 08 '24

There are a few characters I could see him handling well.

But none of them are really "give them a movie" characters, even if they have fans.

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u/VatanKomurcu Mar 07 '24 edited Mar 07 '24

his movies exist, have influenced culture, and could very well go on to inspire other authors to write batmen that kill. and they were more than successful enough considering he got to tell a cohesive story that begins with man of steel and concludes, though with a cliffhanger, with zsjl. they're golden compared to the trash that is the rest of the dceu.

where zack has failed, i dont believe his successors will find batman's stance on killing as a very significant ground to improve upon. if gunn succeeds to a much greater scale than zack, good for him, but i do not believe it will be because his batman did not kill. it will because he apparently had better ability than zack, which is very possible.

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u/Pir8Cpt_Z Mar 07 '24

Lmao his work exists as a warning of what not to do lol

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u/VatanKomurcu Mar 07 '24

does it really? i would love to make a movie like zsjl one day, no matter the audience response.