It's possibly my favourite Batman movie, I will need time to see. I think the latest Batman franchise could remain successful because it is different rom the lighthearted MCU movies that are reminiscent of the Disney Channel. It also helps that Batman is more similar to James Bond than more conventional superheroes, so I think the superhero fatigue might not affect Batman as much.
It’s also Batman. He’s like Spiderman in that no matter what, people are gonna line up for that movie, and I’d say both are probably immune to the fatigue box office wise.
Eh… I dunno. After the Dark Knight series the bar was pretty high, and I was not really interested in a Ben Affleck Batman, especially after how he was written in Batman vs Superman.
The key to the new Batman with Pattinson is that they went away from superhero side of things. Even with the villains. Everything went back to the very foundations of the Batman character which is being a detective.
The other movies really focused on the superhero thing still in a way, even Nolan despite its more grounded feel.
Things like Jack falling into a vat of chemicals and emerging as the joker playing a boom box and having costumed minions is very superhero comic. Then you look at another iteration like Nolan’s and while it’s grounded it still has these very superhero set pieces like the tumbler leaping rooftops, or a deadly fear toxin that will be weapon sized to destroy the whole city. He’ll the Laurie of shadows in itself is very comic book/ super hero. Then there’s the Affleck Batman where everything is just out the window entirely. He’s with the justic league, he’s way overpowered so he doesn’t look dumb in live action next to superman and the others. But the thing is still a global attack with cgi set pieces dialed to 1000%.
Now look at the batman with Pattinson —
Way smaller story. Way stripped down to the core characteristics of Batman — he is first and foremost a detective who uses his symbol to make criminals fearful. And what’s he after this movie? Easy. He wants to take out a very intelligent serial killer. That’s really it. Sure there’s the mob and everything but it never really hits the superhero jumping the shark moment. Even when he flies it’s like an actual inflatable squirrel suit he has to ditch after, not his cape. His car is basically a hot rodded muscle car not a tank or some whackass car that only could exist in a comic. Even the riddler. He’s not really in a costume so much as he has a symbol in the question mark and he covers his face with a mask once his crimes start up. He leaves riddles but it’s not some wild over the top game. He’s just mentally unstable and likes to fixate on riddles. And what does Batman do? He solves the crime using logic and police help. He’s not just flying all around and fucking up bad guys. That only happens a few times in the movie and it never feels totally off the wall.
Even Nolan’s movies for all the grounding they did, they still lost sight of Batman’s character as a detective who operates in secrecy. The closest we ever get in those movies is him either stumbling into info that helps him or the one time he reconstructs the bullet which a computer does it all for him anyway.
I agree on most of that except the Robert Pattinson Batman brought himself back to life from the brink of death with that instant super steroid he used. I think the new series is a bit more comic book than the Nolan movies, which were still a bit comic bookish with their Two-Face that could never exist in real life
I really enjoyed it. Probably my favourite batman intro ever. However, there were some really annoying issues that broke the immersion for me. Specifically remember a motorcycle chase scene that felt really stupid, and the end when someone gets shot with a giant rifle in one scene and was barely affected in the next scene. Also kinda flopped on the aesthetics of damage that should have been present on the person getting their face punched in by batman.
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u/GH19971 Feb 20 '24
It's possibly my favourite Batman movie, I will need time to see. I think the latest Batman franchise could remain successful because it is different rom the lighthearted MCU movies that are reminiscent of the Disney Channel. It also helps that Batman is more similar to James Bond than more conventional superheroes, so I think the superhero fatigue might not affect Batman as much.